I read the news story about the Sony PS3 hacker and the hacker group "Anonymous." I am comfortable with being inconvenienced if that means that consumers gain their voice again. Long ago a consumer who was dissatisfied with a product could have their voice heard, but now our e-mails are automatically replied and stuffed into the digital garbage can. This kid paid his money, cracked the firmware and got sued for it. I'm not going to do the same thing; I don't have the expertise. I know that everybody is upset because this will lead to pirate games, but I have a conscience that won't pirate games. He shouldn't have to trade his freedom for breaking a piece of hardware that he purchased. (Yes, I know all about a EULA.) Sony and the American legal system will take away his right and put him in jail. He will stay there until he is rehibilitated. Sony will have a cracked system that will continue to be cracked until the end of time.  

If everybody is so worried about piracy, then everything should just go server side, like Steam. The world isn't convenient and the more we act like our little bubbles are impenetrable the more we will be butthurt when they aren't. Leave the kid be! Let him do his little haXXor tricks! The vast majority of us who have a conscience, we can see the interesting parts of the story and scoff at the "impending Armageddon" that will be brought about by pirated games.

We have laws to keep us morally correct, but all of us break those laws at some time or another. Everybody has jaywalked, most people have tried marijuana, and a vast majority of you have looked at internet pornography before you were 18 years old. Laws are there to keep our consciences on a straight path. If we stray from that path we are not reprehensible people; we are humans.

I just find Anon childish.

In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games). I know you know this because you mentioned this, but you downplay that fact a lot and it's something that can't be ignored. You're acting like Sony and related publishers are evil for cracking down on this shit, but at the end of the day they're a business and they can't operate if people can just steal their games. Think if you went to work, and at the end of the week someone stole your paycheck. Would you fight back? Of course you would. It's the same thing in this case. If he modded the console that didn't allow people to pirate games, or kept this knowledge to himself and didn't pirate anything, then I agree with you. At this point though, Sony and friends could and should do what they can to get their shit back.

It's all about the attention

" It's all about the attention "

TIL, having any post with Anonymous will guarantee you with at least 1k views. 

" I just find Anon childish. "

Both Anonymous' and Sony's actions have been despicable. End of story.

"In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games). I know you know this because you mentioned this, but you downplay that fact a lot and it's something that can't be ignored. You're acting like Sony and related publishers are evil for cracking down on this shit, but at the end of the day they're a business and they can't operate if people can just steal their games. Think if you went to work, and at the end of the week someone stole your paycheck. Would you fight back? Of course you would. It's the same thing in this case. If he modded the console that didn't allow people to pirate games, or kept this knowledge to himself and didn't pirate anything, then I agree with you. At this point though, Sony and friends could and should do what they can to get their shit back.

Also, it's impractical to make your console like Steam 1 because not everyone plays their shit on the internet, and forcing these people to do so when they may not have access to internet is unfair and ridiculous, and also because rolling something like that out on their current hardware would be hard if not impossible, and would take awhile too, in the meantime under what you propose people would be able to get games for free.

You compared Geohot hacking the console to someone jaywalking, but in reality the situation is much more severe. Laws are there for more than just moral reasons, I'm sure a lot of hackers out there do feel that what they're doing isn't wrong. However, there are actual real, severe, physical consequences of their actions and they knew that what they were doing wasn't legally ok, so they should face the consequences for these actions.

"

" In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games). I know you know this because you mentioned this, but you downplay that fact a lot and it's something that can't be ignored. You're acting like Sony and related publishers are evil for cracking down on this shit, but at the end of the day they're a business and they can't operate if people can just steal their games. Think if you went to work, and at the end of the week someone stole your paycheck. Would you fight back? Of course you would. It's the same thing in this case. If he modded the console that didn't allow people to pirate games, or kept this knowledge to himself and didn't pirate anything, then I agree with you. At this point though, Sony and friends could and should do what they can to get their shit back.

Also, it's impractical to make your console like Steam 1 because not everyone plays their shit on the internet, and forcing these people to do so when they may not have access to internet is unfair and ridiculous, and also because rolling something like that out on their current hardware would be hard if not impossible, and would take awhile too, in the meantime under what you propose people would be able to get games for free.

You compared Geohot hacking the console to someone jaywalking, but in reality the situation is much more severe. Laws are there for more than just moral reasons, I'm sure a lot of hackers out there do feel that what they're doing isn't wrong. However, there are actual real, severe, physical consequences of their actions and they knew that what they were doing wasn't legally ok, so they should face the consequences for these actions.

"

All i know is, im losing valuable SSF4 time because of these fucktards. Thanks, internet.

Anonomyous is fighting the good fight for the consumer so I have no problem having no psn until sony agrees to get rid of all the ip addresses that they took from geohotz's site.

" @DystopiaX said:

"In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games). I know you know this because you mentioned this, but you downplay that fact a lot and it's something that can't be ignored. You're acting like Sony and related publishers are evil for cracking down on this shit, but at the end of the day they're a business and they can't operate if people can just steal their games. Think if you went to work, and at the end of the week someone stole your paycheck. Would you fight back? Of course you would. It's the same thing in this case. If he modded the console that didn't allow people to pirate games, or kept this knowledge to himself and didn't pirate anything, then I agree with you. At this point though, Sony and friends could and should do what they can to get their shit back.

Also, it's impractical to make your console like Steam 1 because not everyone plays their shit on the internet, and forcing these people to do so when they may not have access to internet is unfair and ridiculous, and also because rolling something like that out on their current hardware would be hard if not impossible, and would take awhile too, in the meantime under what you propose people would be able to get games for free.

You compared Geohot hacking the console to someone jaywalking, but in reality the situation is much more severe. Laws are there for more than just moral reasons, I'm sure a lot of hackers out there do feel that what they're doing isn't wrong. However, there are actual real, severe, physical consequences of their actions and they knew that what they were doing wasn't legally ok, so they should face the consequences for these actions.

"

If I find a truck with cigarretts in the back and nobody guarding the truck. I could easily steal a couple of crates of cigarrettes. I don't. I grew up with a conscience and an understanding that stealing is wrong. Should cigarrette companyies stop delivering cigarrettes by truck? NO! They would just get better security. If Sony wants better security they have many things that they could do to stop this. Once again, they could put all of their games server side (i.e. Steam). I'm not going to feel bad for Sony or other game publishers because their games are being pirated. Grow a conscience! I have one! "

" @DystopiaX: How concerned is the law with this case really? If what GeoHot had done was actually illegal this sure as shit wouldn't be a civil lawsuit. To be honest I'm amazed at the number of utilitarian analysis of this situation that are 1) shortsighted (the potential precedent Sony wants set here is one that I for one am not comfortable with) 2) Blame GeoHot for all cases of piracy on the PS3 that follow from this. There are a lot of actions which ENABLE piracy, hell one of them is breathing, by trying to shift the blame onto GeoHot you're just removing blame from the real problem, the pirates.  "

"You compared Geohot hacking the console to someone jaywalking, but in reality the situation is much more severe. Laws are there for more than just moral reasons, I'm sure a lot of hackers out there do feel that what they're doing isn't wrong. However, there are actual real, severe, physical consequences of their actions and they knew that what they were doing wasn't legally ok, so they should face the consequences for these actions."

" I don't think that we should imprison a poor person living in America for selling a little bit of pot, when the leaders of the rebellion are beheading people on a daily basis."

I just hate both sides and hope something happens which cripples them both.

" @DystopiaX said:

"You compared Geohot hacking the console to someone jaywalking, but in reality the situation is much more severe. Laws are there for more than just moral reasons, I'm sure a lot of hackers out there do feel that what they're doing isn't wrong. However, there are actual real, severe, physical consequences of their actions and they knew that what they were doing wasn't legally ok, so they should face the consequences for these actions."

There are real consequences to smoking pot. Look at the civil war in Mexico. That is the result of the weed people smoke everyday in America. I don't think that we should imprison a poor person living in America for selling a little bit of pot, when the leaders of the rebellion are beheading people on a daily basis. If you want to stop hacking, get better security and get better infrastructure. "

" In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games). I know you know this because you mentioned this, but you downplay that fact a lot and it's something that can't be ignored. You're acting like Sony and related publishers are evil for cracking down on this shit, but at the end of the day they're a business and they can't operate if people can just steal their games. Think if you went to work, and at the end of the week someone stole your paycheck. Would you fight back? Of course you would. It's the same thing in this case. If he modded the console that didn't allow people to pirate games, or kept this knowledge to himself and didn't pirate anything, then I agree with you. At this point though, Sony and friends could and should do what they can to get their shit back.

Also, it's impractical to make your console like Steam 1 because not everyone plays their shit on the internet, and forcing these people to do so when they may not have access to internet is unfair and ridiculous, and also because rolling something like that out on their current hardware would be hard if not impossible, and would take awhile too, in the meantime under what you propose people would be able to get games for free.

You compared Geohot hacking the console to someone jaywalking, but in reality the situation is much more severe. Laws are there for more than just moral reasons, I'm sure a lot of hackers out there do feel that what they're doing isn't wrong. However, there are actual real, severe, physical consequences of their actions and they knew that what they were doing wasn't legally ok, so they should face the consequences for these actions.

"

" @sopachuco13 said:

" @DystopiaX said:

"In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games). I know you know this because you mentioned this, but you downplay that fact a lot and it's something that can't be ignored. You're acting like Sony and related publishers are evil for cracking down on this shit, but at the end of the day they're a business and they can't operate if people can just steal their games. Think if you went to work, and at the end of the week someone stole your paycheck. Would you fight back? Of course you would. It's the same thing in this case. If he modded the console that didn't allow people to pirate games, or kept this knowledge to himself and didn't pirate anything, then I agree with you. At this point though, Sony and friends could and should do what they can to get their shit back.

Also, it's impractical to make your console like Steam 1 because not everyone plays their shit on the internet, and forcing these people to do so when they may not have access to internet is unfair and ridiculous, and also because rolling something like that out on their current hardware would be hard if not impossible, and would take awhile too, in the meantime under what you propose people would be able to get games for free.

You compared Geohot hacking the console to someone jaywalking, but in reality the situation is much more severe. Laws are there for more than just moral reasons, I'm sure a lot of hackers out there do feel that what they're doing isn't wrong. However, there are actual real, severe, physical consequences of their actions and they knew that what they were doing wasn't legally ok, so they should face the consequences for these actions.

"

If I find a truck with cigarretts in the back and nobody guarding the truck. I could easily steal a couple of crates of cigarrettes. I don't. I grew up with a conscience and an understanding that stealing is wrong. Should cigarrette companyies stop delivering cigarrettes by truck? NO! They would just get better security. If Sony wants better security they have many things that they could do to stop this. Once again, they could put all of their games server side (i.e. Steam). I'm not going to feel bad for Sony or other game publishers because their games are being pirated. Grow a conscience! I have one! "

Yeah, but you can't assume everyone else will. In your analogy, Geohot would be the guy who took out the truck driver and guards and left the back open for people to run into. He could claim he only did it because the truck driver slept with his wife, but the end result is the same: He could reasonably assume that the cigarettes in the back of the truck were stolen, and he would be named an accomplice. Just because you are pure of heart doesn't mean everyone else is, and the fact that people have used the hack to pirate just proves this.

I have already told you why pulling games server side is unreasonable, you say "grow a pair" but it's actually financially suicidal to do so for them. You don't seem to understand this. You are the equivalent of the guy who blames the rape victim for her horrible experience because she "dressed slutty". She may have, she may not have, but in the end the rapist is still the one at fault, not the victim.

I have a conscience. You have a misguided one.

@beej said: 

" @DystopiaX: How concerned is the law with this case really? If what GeoHot had done was actually illegal this sure as shit wouldn't be a civil lawsuit. To be honest I'm amazed at the number of utilitarian analysis of this situation that are 1) shortsighted (the potential precedent Sony wants set here is one that I for one am not comfortable with) 2) Blame GeoHot for all cases of piracy on the PS3 that follow from this. There are a lot of actions which ENABLE piracy, hell one of them is breathing, by trying to shift the blame onto GeoHot you're just removing blame from the real problem, the pirates.  "

If what Geohot did enables piracy shouldn't he be held accountable for this? I agree with part of your statement, some of the actions that Sony is taking are wrong (the amount of subpoenas), but their actual case isn't. Same thing goes with Geohot. Should he be held accountable because what he did enables people to pirate? Yes. Am I uncomfortable with not holding the pirates accountable at all? Yes, but that doesn't excuse his actions either. "

That is the most idiodic argument I have ever heard! If somebody rapes somebody it is because they are a reprehensible person (period). If a kid hacks a PS3 because he wants to prove that he is intelligent, and to get some notoriety he isn't a rapist. Albert Einstein helped create the atomic bomb, but I don't blame him for the shadows on the concrete in Nagasaki. He didn't make the call to drop that bomb. I don't blame him for that genocide. People make their own decisions.

I could easily buy one of those cards for my DS and pirate every game ever made. I don't! Quit blaming other people for actions that they don't have anything to do with. If this kid has drives and drives of pirated games...OK, send his ass away. But, this is just curiosity.

Microsoft didn't go after the guy who broke the Kinect and is trying to get it to be the eyes for blind people. Hacking can be a good thing.

These kids need to grow up. Just a little bit.

" In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games).
"

" @DystopiaX said:

" In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games).
"

So why not track down and sue the people who are more directly contributing to video game piracy? It seems to me like Sony should be going after the people who are uploading the games to torrent sites and usenet.

I'm not trying to nitpick here, I'm just asking, where's the line on this one?

"

well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system.

I generally don't approve of Anon's actions, but Sony is being a bully in this instance and deserves to get a little chin music.

I think the argument that we aren't ready for server side games is incorrect. I think that there is a small fraction of the community that isn't set up for downloads or streaming games. I think that those people should be left in the dark. It is time to move on if piracy is becoming too difficult to control. Until that happens the companies should understand that this kind of thing is happening. I understand that this is against the law. I guess we should try to change the law. We should try to get these EULA's to change the wording. This seems like a minor thing to me that this kid is going to have to live with for the rest of his life. I am sure that another company will see the benefit of having this kid on their side and he will get a great job doing just this...hopefully.

The law is the law. He broke it, but once again I think the onus is on Sony to create an operating system that is safe. They have done an excellent job of that so far. But, these are the checks and balances of digital software. We break it. They fix it.

" @SeriouslyNow: The difference between the examples you listed and this case is that the hack isn't just a "how to" guide, it's more like giving the person bomb materials rather than a how-to guide. Don't assume I know nothing about laws and hacking, or blindly state so to make your argument seem more legitimate. On top of that, nothing Sony is doing is "illegal", as they have been given court juristitiction for all the actions they are taking. "

" well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system. "

" @iam3green said:

" well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system. "

Apple took the jailbreak ipod guy to court. The jailbreak guy wasn't as much of a pussy and actually stood his ground and won his case. Too bad you can't say the same for Geodude.  "

" @DystopiaX said:

" @SeriouslyNow: The difference between the examples you listed and this case is that the hack isn't just a "how to" guide, it's more like giving the person bomb materials rather than a how-to guide. Don't assume I know nothing about laws and hacking, or blindly state so to make your argument seem more legitimate. On top of that, nothing Sony is doing is "illegal", as they have been given court juristitiction for all the actions they are taking. "

They weren't given court jurisdiction on subpoenaing ISP's for individual's IP addresses.  You don't understand how a subpoena works.  They are trying to build a case against him and people who've used the information he created (HENCEDABOOKEXAMPLEYAMULLET) by subpoenaing the hosting company and various associated IP addresses of people who accessed said information.  The reason why this is both potentially illegal and certainly immoral is because SONY doesn't have a legal right to that information and that they are using bullying and scare tactics to try and turn people against GeoHotz.  Their argument/justification is that they will need to survey the damages he has caused by seeing how far reaching the GeoHotz information's impact has been.  This is, of course, bullshit. "

Piracy is bad, but it can't really be stopped sadly. What i find worse than the pirating of games is the exploiting and cheating that is being enabled with custom firmware and other hackery.

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @iam3green said:

" well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system. "

Apple took the jailbreak ipod guy to court. The jailbreak guy wasn't as much of a pussy and actually stood his ground and won his case. Too bad you can't say the same for Geodude.  "

GeoHotz IS the "jailbreak ipod guy". "

It has no real effect on me, as I don't have a PS3. But I'm loving the internet-ass drama that's going on.

The gist is, Anonymous is claiming that Sony is "abusing and punishing" their customers, and their response is to maim and hinder a free service that said customers enjoy.

" @DystopiaX: Mullets are pretty insulting. "

" @sopachuco13 said:

" @DystopiaX said:

"In this case though, the reason they're tracking him down is, according to them and probably the law, what he did enabled a ton of people to basically steal other people's property (pirating games). I know you know this because you mentioned this, but you downplay that fact a lot and it's something that can't be ignored. You're acting like Sony and related publishers are evil for cracking down on this shit, but at the end of the day they're a business and they can't operate if people can just steal their games. Think if you went to work, and at the end of the week someone stole your paycheck. Would you fight back? Of course you would. It's the same thing in this case. If he modded the console that didn't allow people to pirate games, or kept this knowledge to himself and didn't pirate anything, then I agree with you. At this point though, Sony and friends could and should do what they can to get their shit back.

Also, it's impractical to make your console like Steam 1 because not everyone plays their shit on the internet, and forcing these people to do so when they may not have access to internet is unfair and ridiculous, and also because rolling something like that out on their current hardware would be hard if not impossible, and would take awhile too, in the meantime under what you propose people would be able to get games for free.

You compared Geohot hacking the console to someone jaywalking, but in reality the situation is much more severe. Laws are there for more than just moral reasons, I'm sure a lot of hackers out there do feel that what they're doing isn't wrong. However, there are actual real, severe, physical consequences of their actions and they knew that what they were doing wasn't legally ok, so they should face the consequences for these actions.

"

If I find a truck with cigarretts in the back and nobody guarding the truck. I could easily steal a couple of crates of cigarrettes. I don't. I grew up with a conscience and an understanding that stealing is wrong. Should cigarrette companyies stop delivering cigarrettes by truck? NO! They would just get better security. If Sony wants better security they have many things that they could do to stop this. Once again, they could put all of their games server side (i.e. Steam). I'm not going to feel bad for Sony or other game publishers because their games are being pirated. Grow a conscience! I have one! "

Yeah, but you can't assume everyone else will. In your analogy, Geohot would be the guy who took out the truck driver and guards and left the back open for people to run into. He could claim he only did it because the truck driver slept with his wife, but the end result is the same: He could reasonably assume that the cigarettes in the back of the truck were stolen, and he would be named an accomplice. Just because you are pure of heart doesn't mean everyone else is, and the fact that people have used the hack to pirate just proves this.

I have already told you why pulling games server side is unreasonable, you say "grow a pair" but it's actually financially suicidal to do so for them. You don't seem to understand this. You are the equivalent of the guy who blames the rape victim for her horrible experience because she "dressed slutty". She may have, she may not have, but in the end the rapist is still the one at fault, not the victim.

I have a conscience. You have a misguided one.

@beej said: 

" @DystopiaX: How concerned is the law with this case really? If what GeoHot had done was actually illegal this sure as shit wouldn't be a civil lawsuit. To be honest I'm amazed at the number of utilitarian analysis of this situation that are 1) shortsighted (the potential precedent Sony wants set here is one that I for one am not comfortable with) 2) Blame GeoHot for all cases of piracy on the PS3 that follow from this. There are a lot of actions which ENABLE piracy, hell one of them is breathing, by trying to shift the blame onto GeoHot you're just removing blame from the real problem, the pirates.  "

If what Geohot did enables piracy shouldn't he be held accountable for this? I agree with part of your statement, some of the actions that Sony is taking are wrong (the amount of subpoenas), but their actual case isn't. Same thing goes with Geohot. Should he be held accountable because what he did enables people to pirate? Yes. Am I uncomfortable with not holding the pirates accountable at all? Yes, but that doesn't excuse his actions either. "

" @DystopiaX said:

" @SeriouslyNow: The difference between the examples you listed and this case is that the hack isn't just a "how to" guide, it's more like giving the person bomb materials rather than a how-to guide. Don't assume I know nothing about laws and hacking, or blindly state so to make your argument seem more legitimate. On top of that, nothing Sony is doing is "illegal", as they have been given court juristitiction for all the actions they are taking. "

They weren't given court jurisdiction on subpoenaing ISP's for individual's IP addresses.  You don't understand how a subpoena works.  They are trying to build a case against him and people who've used the information he created (HENCEDABOOKEXAMPLEYAMULLET) by subpoenaing the hosting company and various associated IP addresses of people who accessed said information.  The reason why this is both potentially illegal and certainly immoral is because SONY doesn't have a legal right to that information and that they are using bullying and scare tactics to try and turn people against GeoHotz.  Their argument/justification is that they will need to survey the damages he has caused by seeing how far reaching the GeoHotz information's impact has been.  This is, of course, bullshit. "

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @iam3green said:

" well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system. "

Apple took the jailbreak ipod guy to court. The jailbreak guy wasn't as much of a pussy and actually stood his ground and won his case. Too bad you can't say the same for Geodude.  "

GeoHotz IS the "jailbreak ipod guy". "

Well that just goes to show that he felt guilty enough to run away. I mean you got a win in your record book against one big corp, but run away against another? You'd think the legal experience gained winning against Apple would help against sony, or maybe it helped him realize he wouldn't have won this time around.  "

If my fat-ass sister eats a whole jar of peanut butter that I opened, is it my fault because I opened the peanut butter? Did I "enable" her to eat all that peanut butter? Or is it her fault for being a fat-ass who doesn't get off the couch and lets herself eat a whole fuckin' jar of peanut butter? Or, is it my parents fault for giving her the fat-ass genes?

If we want to continue blaming and blaming, instead of trying to fix the system, we might as well blame Sony. They are the ones who created the platform that "enticed" this young man to break the law. Isn't it Sony's fault for making such a deliciously un-hackable system?

This guy broke the law, I understand that. But, his actions are minor compared to the people who are pirating the games. I go back to the young man who jail-broke the Kinect hardware. Microsoft didn't sue the shit out of those guys. One of the guys is even making the Kinect a divice to help blind people. I think that Sony could have approached this whole thing in a much more tactful manner.

以上です。

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @iam3green said:

" well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system. "

Apple took the jailbreak ipod guy to court. The jailbreak guy wasn't as much of a pussy and actually stood his ground and won his case. Too bad you can't say the same for Geodude.  "

GeoHotz IS the "jailbreak ipod guy". "

Well that just goes to show that he felt guilty enough to run away. I mean you got a win in your record book against one big corp, but run away against another? You'd think the legal experience gained winning against Apple would help against sony, or maybe it helped him realize he wouldn't have won this time around.  "

He didn't run away. Sony is just trying to make him look guilty. He's on vacation, and will come back. You don't expect him to stop his life just because Sony is suing him. "

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @iam3green said:

" well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system. "

Apple took the jailbreak ipod guy to court. The jailbreak guy wasn't as much of a pussy and actually stood his ground and won his case. Too bad you can't say the same for Geodude.  "

GeoHotz IS the "jailbreak ipod guy". "

Well that just goes to show that he felt guilty enough to run away. I mean you got a win in your record book against one big corp, but run away against another? You'd think the legal experience gained winning against Apple would help against sony, or maybe it helped him realize he wouldn't have won this time around.  "

He didn't run away. Sony is just trying to make him look guilty. He's on vacation, and will come back. You don't expect him to stop his life just because Sony is suing him. "

People should be legally allowed to tinker with their gadgets, even if that behavior may lead to copyright infringement on the part of others. This isn't to say that copyright infringement is a good thing; its just the benefit of living in a free and open society far outweighs the cost that copyright infringement has on a society.

Don't particularly care, either way PS3 jailbreak is out there now so if I want to hack my PS3 to play mkv files natively I now have the option. I still use my PC hooked up to my TV for that kinda stuff at the moment though.

" @GreggD said:

" @DystopiaX: Mullets are pretty insulting. "

It would make more sense if I had one or something. I was just really puzzled when I read that. "

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" @StaticFalconar said:

" @iam3green said:

" well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system. "

Apple took the jailbreak ipod guy to court. The jailbreak guy wasn't as much of a pussy and actually stood his ground and won his case. Too bad you can't say the same for Geodude.  "

GeoHotz IS the "jailbreak ipod guy". "

Well that just goes to show that he felt guilty enough to run away. I mean you got a win in your record book against one big corp, but run away against another? You'd think the legal experience gained winning against Apple would help against sony, or maybe it helped him realize he wouldn't have won this time around.  "

In my opinion, Sony's handling of the Geohot matter was overkill. Sort of like suing someone for a hundred grand for downloading a few shitty Fallout Boy songs from BitTorrent. The info Geohot put out there is pretty useless to the layman gamer and probably should have been more quietly handled rather than trying to set some sort of example. By grandstanding they invite attention-hungry whack jobs like Anonymous to respond in kind. So basically, I can't log into PSN over a nerdy "my cyber cock is bigger than yours" contest. Great.

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @StaticFalconar said:

" @iam3green said:

" well thanks for that. i don't really knew about this until i read that. it's something that sony should just get rid of. people are always going pirate software or edit the software. apple hasn't done anything about the people that jailbreak their ipods, iphones.there are also piracy problem with the xbox 360. there is nothing companies can do about piracy. even steam is piratable. people can pirate the games on steam that valve and other companies released for that system. "

Apple took the jailbreak ipod guy to court. The jailbreak guy wasn't as much of a pussy and actually stood his ground and won his case. Too bad you can't say the same for Geodude.  "

GeoHotz IS the "jailbreak ipod guy". "

Well that just goes to show that he felt guilty enough to run away. I mean you got a win in your record book against one big corp, but run away against another? You'd think the legal experience gained winning against Apple would help against sony, or maybe it helped him realize he wouldn't have won this time around.  "

You'd think that you would be a little less mouthy about this seeing as you didn't recognise that GeoHot was the "jailbreak ipod guy" who wasn't a pussy in the first place but I guess not. Which is it exactly?  Is he a pussy now but not then or is he smart and not being a pussy or is it that the world is a lot more complicated than judging people by pussy/not a pussy delineations? "