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I have had problems off and on, the whole app needs a rework but I can't imagine it's to much of a priority. I bet people who consume via roku are in the small minority.

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Hmmm this is a weird year and have no clue what they'd pick as GOTY.

I think it'll either be sunset overdrive, Bayonetta or mordor??

It's hard cuz you have to think about what they all like and usually jeff never agrees with everyone.

Also: I never woulda guessed Last of us would win their GOTY last year cuz even though everyone else was giving it GOTY it seemed like the crew didn't really like that game until December.

I didn't think Last of Us would win because the game came out at a pretty shitty time for the Giant Bomb staff/community and I think it probably colored the experience for everyone there understandably

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I would just like to point out that if you're against ridicule and harassment (which I hope to assume that everyone here is) than the first response you have to people that support gamergate shouldn't be more ridicule and harassment. Put some more thought behind what you say and act how you expect the people from this controversial movement to act.

There's some blanket harassment going on in this thread but it is being overlooked because it's for what people find to be a good reason. Of course it isn't as horrifying and violent as what Zoey Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian have faced but there are no free passes. Don't be dicks.

Let's start the real conversations and not continue the name calling and reinforcements of stereotypes.

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Same problem, just wanted to report for solidarity. Glad to see I'm not the only one so I know it's not just me

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@brad said:

@heyguys said:

@brad said:

@neon25 said:

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While it's nicely written, I'm very disappointed how you still label GamerGate as a hate movement. It's just like saying all Muslims are jihadists. Just because they are a few shitty people in a group doesn't mean all people are shitty. I think you should definitely take a note of that, especially as a lot of people in this "hate movement" are your primary demographic, whether you like it or not.

Still, it was nice to finally get an official statement.

To add to that, it's really sad that Giant Bomb did nothing, while sites like the Escapist actually reevaluated their ethics standards and now if there's any chance that some personal connection might have influenced something in the review, it's simply mentioned in bold font in the header. It's that easy.

We've been proactively calling out any potential conflicts of interest since the day this site launched, as evidenced at the bottom of this review from more than six years ago:

http://www.giantbomb.com/reviews/rock-band-2-review/1900-56/

I promise you it's something we've always attempted to be extremely aware of. The idea that we "did nothing" seems kind of silly in this respect.

What about providing a platform or coverage, not just reviews? The media are the king makers of the smallest out there and the worry about "indies" I think comes from the fact that all games journalists are aware when they're at a press diner, when they get nice hotel rooms, when they get early access they know that's supposed to affect them and they are intentionally distancing those relationships from their jobs when it comes to AAA. However, people do not have their guard up when they are dealing with friends, even when those friends might not be actively pushing a self-interested dilemma those relationships can no-the-less influence how they are covered. Publicity is the equivalent of money as much as reviews are but publications do not have that same kind of vigilance regarding it. This makes having close relationships to the press an possible career booster while others without that privilege work without getting similar exposure.

You make a good point, and there's an even bigger conversation to have that includes discoverability on lucrative storefronts like Steam. I'll just say we try to be mindful of our friendships with people who make games, and for better or worse, our solution has been to try to make the audience aware of those relationships and let them make up their own mind. Hopefully that's working.

For my own part, I do my best to separate my acquaintance with a person from my feelings on the game they may have worked on. I can't in good conscience promote a game I don't sincerely think is cool, which is why I never, ever want to work in video game PR. All I can ask is that you trust me on that.

I don't worry about you guys in this respect BECAUSE you have always been so above board with everything, but since all of this has happened, there are journalists from other sites that have pretty much had to blanket edit their past work because they had relationships with the people they were giving exposure to. That is the kind of crap I am against.

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I dunno, at the end of the day, I feel like everyone is always saying not to feed the trolls. While Jeff may have the opinion that the entire movement with the exception of a few of us who are being had are trolls, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. And at the end of the day, spotlighting the horrible people only strengthens them and makes creates more of them. Hangers-on who simply want attention and want to terrorize people. TB had some excellent thoughts on how to deal with them and so had Patrick in the past, it just seems like no one is willing to do that anymore. It seems like the easiest way to marginalize a movement would be to reduce it in the same way that GG has been. I am not putting on a tin foil hat, but I think dismissal is incredible unproductive. This has been a long speed bump and I feel like the every time someone in the industry tries to reduce it to something it isn't, it just makes it longer.

@vinny you are a stud, as long as you are with GB, GB will have my sub. I appreciate your response to my questions. I would just respond that there is no sane person in the industry who would say that things could not be better if Jeff and TB had a discussion, I cannot think of saner heads prevailing than those. That isn't us vs them, that is people in legitimate positions of authority in the industry acknowledging our concerns and discussing them

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@sparky_buzzsaw: trolls can co-opt anything they choose, anything that has the potential to get them attention. I have tremendous respect for the staff at GB but I had hoped they would have been able to see past the trolls and actually dive into some of the issues.

I said it before but @patrickklepek said it already so I will quote him, "we can't control what other people do on the internet... ultimately we are responsible for what we contribute to the noise. It's really easy to look at all of this and say, 'well, what can one person do?' and it's true, one person really can't make that much of a difference, but it is exactly that kind of complacency that has allowed us to get into the situation we are now where instead of engaging with one of the most powerful tools, we choose to ignore it."

I call that shit out whenever I see it in the GG movement because I don't want it to be co-opted by those tools, and yet, only a year after that speech, I feel like you aren't giving people credit for trying to do that @patrickklepek. I am not looking for a fight or a debate with you, but part of the reason this is seen as a movement of hate is because every time you and @alex and @jeff make snide remarks on twitter, paint thousands of people with the same stroke, you are feeding the trolls. You could engage with some of the more reasonable people in the movement and shape the discussion and the narrative like I have been asking for the whole time. I don't feel like there are many people in the industry who I feel I know and trust, the staff of this site counts as those members and it pains me to see an opportunity to actually make things better get thrown out the window.