Wasn't it reported that after their E3 demonstrations Capcom were going to make it so you can move while aiming?

Or did I just dream those news reports?

You will be able to strafe while in the aiming mode.

How do you strafe while aiming?

You can't. You can only strafe when out of aiming mode. You are unable to move when aiming.

You couldn't do something as simple as that in Resident Evil 4?

The fact that you cant move and shoot will kill this game for me. Why cant I even walk backwards slowly? If capcom thinks this adds "horror", they need to go play deadspace. 

To be honest it would be nice to be able to move and aim but I still love the demo and can't wait for the full game.

Just shoot them in the dick and then uppercut them.

Why does everyone make a big deal about this? It's not like your enemies shoot back (unlike gears of war, where you spend 10 minutes behind cover, then pop out and shoot the enemy once.)

Oh well. I expect Brad to review this game and give it 3 or 4 stars, all while comparing it to dead space at every opportunity and constantly lamenting how the controls are not exactly like dead space and then talking about how it is not as good as dead space. That is my prediction and you can quote me on it.

When I played Uncharted and was fighting normal pirates, I walked while aiming. Not much, but I still did it. When it got to the point where my enemies were going in melee, I always, ALWAYS shot while moving.

"Why does everyone make a big deal about this? It's not like your enemies shoot back (unlike gears of war, where you spend 10 minutes behind cover, then popping out and shooting the enemy once.)

Oh well. I expect Brad to review this game and give it 3 or 4 stars, all while comparing it to dead space at every opportunity and constantly lamenting how the controls are not exactly like dead space and then talking about how it is not as good as dead space. That is my prediction and you can quote me on it."

"ArbitraryWater said:
The reason everyone likes Dead Space is because the game is easy. You're never low on ammo or money and every enemy can be slowed to a crawl (literally) with 2 shots to the leg. And if they don't have legs you can use the time altering thing."

I didnt have any problem with not being able to move in 4. But I think with the success of Dead Space, people are going to be disapointed in not being able to incorporate some sort of movement. I dont think its an unfair comparison though, everyone made the comparisons between RE4 and DS but it was favorable because it took a control scheme that made RE4 great and enhanced it. Its up to RE5 to keep up with what it started now.

Personally I would like to see some sort of limited movement, straffing and slow shuffle backwards or something so you can position yourself better without getting out of aiming mode. But if they dont, and it plays just like RE4, I wont be complaining.

"Yep."

"RHCPfan24 said:

"Yep."

err, no, you can't. you can strafe but you can't while aiming."

"The fact that you cant move and shoot will kill this game for me. Why cant I even walk backwards slowly? If capcom thinks this adds "horror", they need to go play deadspace. "

"Kratos81 said:

"The fact that you cant move and shoot will kill this game for me. Why cant I even walk backwards slowly? If capcom thinks this adds "horror", they need to go play deadspace. "

HAHAHAHAHA! Deadspace "scary"."

"No. Dead Space on normal is harder than RE4 on pro - the reason everyone likes it is because of the awesome atmoshpere, the extremely solid gameplay, the excellent sound design and the smooth controls. I don't really mind the inability to move and shoot in RE5 though - I find the poorly executed real-time inventory a much bigger problem."

The gameplay is solid because they copy pasted it from RE 4 but added strafing which made the boss encounters easy too. As long as you kept strafing they couldn't hit you.

The reason the game is easy is because the guns and time slow mechanic are over-powered, and the most efficient way to kill enemies is literally written on the walls before you even get your gun. Its hard to fear something when you know all of it's weaknesses and have more than enough hardware to shut it down.

"They took something great and made it even better. What are you complaining about? And the boss fights in RE4 are also easy as hell - run away, stop and shoot until the boss comes close to you, repeat.

It's hard to fear something(that just looks like a normal human) when all you gotta do is shoot it in the leg/face, do a melee attack and then knife it to death. That's practically the only thing you did in RE4.

But whatever, it's your opinion."

I really don't understand how you can possibly find Dead Space easier than RE4. You're making a good point about enemy variety though - that's something they'll hopefully improve in the sequel.

I loved RE4 for its time, but you're talking out of your ass. I remember all of those enemy types...you didn't have to change shit. You didn't need something called a "strategy" in the game at all. The game was not difficult, it was just longer. Dead Space basically took that, made the shooting more solid and added things to gameplay which a lot of time gave you more options, and made it more fun to plenty of people.  There's nothing more or less difficult in Dead Space than RE4. They were both not exactly hard.

I really love everyones backwards thinking with this genre of game, look, its pretty much completely changed from the old school style survivor horror to more third person shooter territory. Accept it. The whole living in the past is ridiculous with some of you people, a game adds things to gameplay, or gives you more options and possibly fun to have, and its a bad thing, because you don't think that's how its supposed to be.

I have a simple suggestion: Go fucking play an original RE, or the remakes on the gamecube or something if you just want the games to be that. Its not hard. I've never found a single game in this genre 'scary' at all, so that doesn't even make a difference. I find them more intense when you're in first person far more to third person, or top down tank view, and I honestly don't know who would think the opposite of that.



also ya Pibo- Penumbra is a real good horror/adventure/puzzle game. The background music you hear in it really makes you feel unsettling. People should pick the Penumbra games up off Steam if you want a different kind of horror experience, where you are truly helpless.

"I've never found a single game in this genre 'scary' at all, so that doesn't even make a difference."

The problem is everyone uses the term wrong. I always feel it comes down to, if the atmosphere makes you feel unsettling, maybe some background music adds to that, and sound design, and you just generally feel sorta creeped out by the way things are, its done well. That isn't scared, and monsters jumping at you when you don't expect it isn't scared either. People misuse the term far too often is what I get from it. I know games that myself and others have found like I describe, and I've had to stop playing them before after a certain amount of time, because of how it makes me generally feel.   That definition isn't "scared" though. Using the term correctly, I don't know a single game, or movie/anything, thats ever genuinely scared myself or anyone else.

There's a big difference between an unsettling feeling, being "jumpy" a few times because you weren't expect monster A to be in location B and jump at you, and being literally scared. 

"Icemael said:

"They took something great and made it even better. What are you complaining about? And the boss fights in RE4 are also easy as hell - run away, stop and shoot until the boss comes close to you, repeat.

It's hard to fear something(that just looks like a normal human) when all you gotta do is shoot it in the leg/face, do a melee attack and then knife it to death. That's practically the only thing you did in RE4.

But whatever, it's your opinion."

Well they took RE 4 and made it much more generic and easy. If you're making a survival horror game, you at least have to fear the possibility of death which is something that Dead Space failed to grasp, except in the moments when tentacles grabbed you and pulled you into a death hole (which were the best parts).

As for the enemies in RE 4, yes, a majority of the enemies look human, but it also had way more enemy types than Dead Space which, in the later chapters of the game, simply painted the previous enemies black and increased their resistance to damage. RE 4 had dogs, Regenerators, those flying bug things that spit acid on you, those giant Ganados with the armor that covered all but their head, and those stronger Ganados with the chain gun. With each of those enemies you had to change you attack strategy, especially when they mixed them together. Dead Space had a fair amount of enemy types too but they all had the same weakness which meant you never had to change your tactics.
"

"Why does everyone make a big deal about this? It's not like your enemies shoot back (unlike gears of war, where you spend 10 minutes behind cover, then pop out and shoot the enemy once.)

Oh well. I expect Brad to review this game and give it 3 or 4 stars, all while comparing it to dead space at every opportunity and constantly lamenting how the controls are not exactly like dead space and then talking about how it is not as good as dead space. That is my prediction and you can quote me on it."

"The reason everyone likes Dead Space is because the game is easy. You're never low on ammo or money and every enemy can be slowed to a crawl (literally) with 2 shots to the leg. And if they don't have legs you can use the time altering thing."

"The gameplay is solid because they copy pasted it from RE 4 but added strafing which made the boss encounters easy too. As long as you kept strafing they couldn't hit you. The time slowing mechanic utterly ruined the encounters with the Regenerator; first you slow him down, shoot out one of his legs, then run away. I did like the strategic dismemberment but they don't let you figure out that that was the best way to use it. Even before the game came out, they were toting it as the game's main hook, mostly because that was the only original thing they did in the game. The reason the game is easy is because the guns and time slow mechanic are over-powered, and the most efficient way to kill enemies is literally written on the walls before you even get your gun. Its hard to fear something when you know all of it's weaknesses and have more than enough hardware to shut it down. I like the game but I was disappointed by it."

"Well they took RE 4 and made it much more generic and easy. If you're making a survival horror game, you at least have to fear the possibility of death which is something that Dead Space failed to grasp, except in the moments when tentacles grabbed you and pulled you into a death hole (which were the best parts).

As for the enemies in RE 4, yes, a majority of the enemies look human, but it also had way more enemy types than Dead Space which, in the later chapters of the game, simply painted the previous enemies black and increased their resistance to damage. RE 4 had dogs, Regenerators, those flying bug things that spit acid on you, those giant Ganados with the armor that covered all but their head, and those stronger Ganados with the chain gun. With each of those enemies you had to change you attack strategy, especially when they mixed them together. Dead Space had a fair amount of enemy types too but they all had the same weakness which meant you never had to change your tactics.
"

"Icemael said:

"They took something great and made it even better. What are you complaining about? And the boss fights in RE4 are also easy as hell - run away, stop and shoot until the boss comes close to you, repeat.

It's hard to fear something(that just looks like a normal human) when all you gotta do is shoot it in the leg/face, do a melee attack and then knife it to death. That's practically the only thing you did in RE4.

But whatever, it's your opinion."

Well they took RE 4 and made it much more generic and easy. If you're making a survival horror game, you at least have to fear the possibility of death which is something that Dead Space failed to grasp, except in the moments when tentacles grabbed you and pulled you into a death hole (which were the best parts).

As for the enemies in RE 4, yes, a majority of the enemies look human, but it also had way more enemy types than Dead Space which, in the later chapters of the game, simply painted the previous enemies black and increased their resistance to damage. RE 4 had dogs, Regenerators, those flying bug things that spit acid on you, those giant Ganados with the armor that covered all but their head, and those stronger Ganados with the chain gun. With each of those enemies you had to change you attack strategy, especially when they mixed them together. Dead Space had a fair amount of enemy types too but they all had the same weakness which meant you never had to change your tactics.
"

"The problem is everyone uses the term wrong. "

"Damonation said:

"The reason everyone likes Dead Space is because the game is easy. You're never low on ammo or money and every enemy can be slowed to a crawl (literally) with 2 shots to the leg. And if they don't have legs you can use the time altering thing."

So harder difficulty makes a game better? Better yet, poor design choice on Capcom's part is what we should expect?

Damonation said:

"The gameplay is solid because they copy pasted it from RE 4 but added strafing which made the boss encounters easy too. As long as you kept strafing they couldn't hit you. The time slowing mechanic utterly ruined the encounters with the Regenerator; first you slow him down, shoot out one of his legs, then run away. I did like the strategic dismemberment but they don't let you figure out that that was the best way to use it. Even before the game came out, they were toting it as the game's main hook, mostly because that was the only original thing they did in the game. The reason the game is easy is because the guns and time slow mechanic are over-powered, and the most efficient way to kill enemies is literally written on the walls before you even get your gun. Its hard to fear something when you know all of it's weaknesses and have more than enough hardware to shut it down. I like the game but I was disappointed by it."

I'm starting to wonder if you've even played Dead Space? Your criticisms of the game are totally unmerrited because you have a bias towards supporting Capcom's choice with Resident Evil 5. This game is obviously going to be compared to Dead Space, and from what many people here feel, it probably wont be as good. You can say what you will, but there is something to be said for when people enjoy a game more than another, specially when they are both part of a certain genre with very compareable gameplay mechanics. The common theme to your excuses is that it isn't hard therefore it must suck or shouldn't be compared, there is something inherantly flawed with your arguement because like a said before, just because a game is harder, does not make it better.

Damonation said:

"Well they took RE 4 and made it much more generic and easy. If you're making a survival horror game, you at least have to fear the possibility of death which is something that Dead Space failed to grasp, except in the moments when tentacles grabbed you and pulled you into a death hole (which were the best parts).

As for the enemies in RE 4, yes, a majority of the enemies look human, but it also had way more enemy types than Dead Space which, in the later chapters of the game, simply painted the previous enemies black and increased their resistance to damage. RE 4 had dogs, Regenerators, those flying bug things that spit acid on you, those giant Ganados with the armor that covered all but their head, and those stronger Ganados with the chain gun. With each of those enemies you had to change you attack strategy, especially when they mixed them together. Dead Space had a fair amount of enemy types too but they all had the same weakness which meant you never had to change your tactics.
"

Uh right... so every third person shooter since RE4 has been generic and easy? What's more, you actually though Resident Evil 4 was scary? Resident Evil 2 is scary, RE4 can't even hold a candle up to it. The only redeemeably qualities of RE4 is the gameplay, which was admittedly revolutionary at the time, but everything else was just forgetable.

The part in bold gave me a good laugh, if the game says "strategic dismemberment", then what the hell do you expect? Like honestly, hack the fucking limbs off so it doesn't come to get you. Your post is filled with so many double standards that I can't even begin to list just why it's soo wrong. You're holding on to something that is inherantly flawed with Resident Evil 5, the fact that you can't strafe and shoot at the same time is a major mistake. I think it was Takeuchi or Ono that acknowledge the fac that the AI was slow in reacting because they had to compensate for the pacing of the game; the AI looks fucking brainless, this is what they call "compensating"?

Capcom's Japanese development team just doesn't seem to understand what the hell "nex-gen" truly means. If anyone here has played Devil May Cry 4 then they know that to expect from RE5; they failed to make the drastic changes they needed to make on DMC4, instead opting for the same gameplay in DMC3, and that did not turn out so well, as literally, it was pleagued by the same gameplay problems as it's predecessor. The same shit is going to go down RE5, and this is no ones fault but Capcom."

@elbow
If you have a PS3 you can send me a friend request and check my trophy list. I do have Dead Space and I do like the game. Hey, we can even play RE 5 together if you like.

"every third person shooter since RE4 has been generic and easy.....YES!!  Your taking alot of what damonation says out of context.  Also with STRATEGIC dismemberment i would expect there be more than ONE strategy then the mindless "hack their limbs off".   You talk of next gen changes but what you really mean is that RE5 isnt like Gears of war which was influenced by Kill Switch and RE4.  If things were your way all games would be exactly the same.  Damonation based all his opinions on fact and yes games suck now because of all this casual gamer bullshit thats going around, in which all games must be easy and pre-schooler friendly."

I gotta say one thing here, I'm really tired of people giving credit to gears for supposedly making this style of game what it is. Its only because gears is popular and everyone's played it that you think this game did it first, when you actually have no idea.

"You also have a strong support towards what RE5 is doing,"

"elbow said:

"You also have a strong support towards what RE5 is doing,"

Well you prefer Dead Space to Resident Evil so should we ignore your points about Dead Space? No, that is your opinion and it is perfectly valid, as is mine."

Hey guess what, this is just a demo.

For those of you complaining about the controls. Have you:
a. Only played the 360 demo?
b. Never played a RE game before?

Those of us that have played the RE games before know what to expect. The newbies that haven't all think that adding gears of war controls would make it better but fail to realize it would completely change the game mechanics.