E3 2010: Kinect Event

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @Zereta said:

"  Thinking Kinect is not gonna sell is just plain stupid. "

The *hope* that Kinect is not going to sell is equivalent to the *hope* that the average American consumer is smarter than a bag of hammers. "

Jesus... man, you're really not happy with something are you?    

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Ryan talking to Jeff while he's standing behind him is weirding me out.

Weird having Jeff talk to Ryan's back.

" @Zereta said:

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @Zereta said:

"  Thinking Kinect is not gonna sell is just plain stupid. "

The *hope* that Kinect is not going to sell is equivalent to the *hope* that the average American consumer is smarter than a bag of hammers. "

Jesus... man, you're really not happy with something are you?    

I'm just calling it how it is.  Do you remember when the Wii came out?  Other than (at the time) 1up's Seanbaby, few gave it a fair treatment.  There is not enough hate...  
 
  

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That input lag strikes me as extremely restrictive in terms of what can and can't be done with this thing.
 
To be honest though, even if they get it working perfectly, I think I'd mainly be interested in it as a headtracking device.  If it works as well (or close enough) as TrackIR does, but without needing to wear any hardware, then that alone has enough potential to justify the asking price.  
 
I wanna hear more about how well that stuff works, preferably from somebody that has used something like TrackIR before so they can compare.

these games do not look fun.

Why is Ryan standing in front of Jeff and not looking at him? That was weird...

Kinetic looks very meh :P

"To be honest though, even if they get it working perfectly, I think I'd mainly be interested in it as a headtracking device.  If it works as well (or close enough) as TrackIR does, but without needing to wear any hardware, then that alone has enough potential to justify the asking price."

I liked the awkward presentation of sideways interviewing

So, if you get naked with that fitness thing... will it show your penis?

The Giant Bomb E3 music totally reminds me of the Marathon 2 theme

Jack, let's play hoops this summer. you're tall / the man - Phil

" So, if you get naked with that fitness thing... will it show your penis? "

" @MordeaniisChaos said:

" So, if you get naked with that fitness thing... will it show your penis? "

These are the important questions, the questions that decide an era. "  

I will buy this just for Dance Central. And then probably never buy another Kinect game again.

I'm sure someone has already pointed this out, but Jeff was totally playing the rafting game with one Chris Kohler from Game Life. Neat.

" @Zereta said:

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @Zereta said:

"  Thinking Kinect is not gonna sell is just plain stupid. "

The *hope* that Kinect is not going to sell is equivalent to the *hope* that the average American consumer is smarter than a bag of hammers. "

Jesus... man, you're really not happy with something are you?    

I'm just calling it how it is.  Do you remember when the Wii came out?  Other than (at the time) 1up's Seanbaby, few gave it a fair treatment.  There is not enough hate...  "

Dance game looks fun, but not dropping the money for one game

jeff looks tired in most of the gameplay footage =\

Im am still not sold on this yet.

headtracking doesn't make sense as you won't be able to see what your character sees after turning your because... well, you turned your head away

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @Zereta said:

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @Zereta said:

"  Thinking Kinect is not gonna sell is just plain stupid. "

The *hope* that Kinect is not going to sell is equivalent to the *hope* that the average American consumer is smarter than a bag of hammers. "

Jesus... man, you're really not happy with something are you?    

I'm just calling it how it is.  Do you remember when the Wii came out?  Other than (at the time) 1up's Seanbaby, few gave it a fair treatment.  There is not enough hate...  "

Fair hate??? Some people are crazy "

" Kinect looks less interesting every time I see it, but the more I see Jeff dancing the sexier it gets. "

" @MiamiRedHawks said:

" Kinect looks less interesting every time I see it, but the more I see Jeff dancing the sexier it gets. "

I didn't think it would be possible to be less interested in it (as a gameplay solution, the technology is neat otherwise) going into E3 but I was wrong.  However the more I see videos of people looking like jackasses while playing it the more I want to see people looking like jackasses while playing it.  I can't imagine this thing turning out particularly well for Microsoft but it's going to be fantastic for Youtube. "

WHY WON'T RYAN LOOK JEFF IN THE EYE ANYMORE

"Why is Jeff talking to Ryan's back xD "

" @Rufi91 said:

"Why is Jeff talking to Ryan's back xD "

Yeah i was getting a real weird vibe from the positioning of those two in this video.... maybe a shoulder to shoulder conversation in the future? "

" @hpv said: 

I didn't think it would be possible to be less interested in it (as a gameplay solution, the technology is neat otherwise) going into E3 but I was wrong.  However the more I see videos of people looking like jackasses while playing it the more I want to see people looking like jackasses while playing it.  I can't imagine this thing turning out particularly well for Microsoft but it's going to be fantastic for Youtube. "

For us, no. Not until the hybrid, hardcore games come out for Kinect.  The casuals are gonna eat it up. Kinect's gonna be huge for the casuals and hardcore wise, Halo: Reach is gonna wipe the floor this holiday. That's why Microsoft ain't scared. "

" @Zereta said:

" @hpv said: 

I didn't think it would be possible to be less interested in it (as a gameplay solution, the technology is neat otherwise) going into E3 but I was wrong.  However the more I see videos of people looking like jackasses while playing it the more I want to see people looking like jackasses while playing it.  I can't imagine this thing turning out particularly well for Microsoft but it's going to be fantastic for Youtube. "

For us, no. Not until the hybrid, hardcore games come out for Kinect.  The casuals are gonna eat it up. Kinect's gonna be huge for the casuals and hardcore wise, Halo: Reach is gonna wipe the floor this holiday. That's why Microsoft ain't scared. "

I'm not convinced there are any "hardcore" or "hybrid" titles to be made with Kinect.  Have you even seen or heard of one being suggested?  I was really hoping that Microsoft would show something like that off at E3, just to prove that they aren't all idiots, but they didn't even come close. I do think Microsoft can probably buy their way into a large casual install base with huge ad buys and retailer promotions, but without quality software of some sort I don't see those people staying with it and if the E3 showing is anything to go by they have a long, long way to go on that front.  But stranger things have happened, like people loving Halo.  So who knows? "

Self-professed Halo fanboy here... Ignoring that *whistles*  Don Mattrick and Phil Spencer have said that there are hybrids and these Hardcore games in the works. Apparently, Geoff Keighley has played that Star Wars game.   The reason why we have yet to see any is that this E3 was not for us. This E3 was meant for the mainstream press to see, and report. It was for the mainstream at Time Square, he all saw this stuff LIVE and might have spread the work.  Those 5 games in the front were just to satisfy us before they move on to their new target: The casuals. They know they won't lose their current install base which enables them to try and expand. There was no risk involved. They also felt that at this point, the hardcore need not be sold on Kinect yet since they will still hold on to their 360s regardless. Even Peter Molyneux has said that Fable 3 has Kinect support, Ryan confirmed this at E3. That's an example of a hybrid.  Mirosoft isn't stupid too. They are not going to leave the hardcore hanging. But right, now. They have got most of us settled, they feel. You got MGS: Rising, You got Fable. You get Gears. You got a freakin Halo title. To them, the hardcore is settled for now. They needed to get to the casuals. I think they succeeded in that.  Now, in the next few months? That's when they should announce these new hardcore games they keep claiming Kinect has. "

" @Zereta said:

Self-professed Halo fanboy here... Ignoring that *whistles*  Don Mattrick and Phil Spencer have said that there are hybrids and these Hardcore games in the works. Apparently, Geoff Keighley has played that Star Wars game.   The reason why we have yet to see any is that this E3 was not for us. This E3 was meant for the mainstream press to see, and report. It was for the mainstream at Time Square, he all saw this stuff LIVE and might have spread the work.  Those 5 games in the front were just to satisfy us before they move on to their new target: The casuals. They know they won't lose their current install base which enables them to try and expand. There was no risk involved. They also felt that at this point, the hardcore need not be sold on Kinect yet since they will still hold on to their 360s regardless. Even Peter Molyneux has said that Fable 3 has Kinect support, Ryan confirmed this at E3. That's an example of a hybrid.  Mirosoft isn't stupid too. They are not going to leave the hardcore hanging. But right, now. They have got most of us settled, they feel. You got MGS: Rising, You got Fable. You get Gears. You got a freakin Halo title. To them, the hardcore is settled for now. They needed to get to the casuals. I think they succeeded in that.  Now, in the next few months? That's when they should announce these new hardcore games they keep claiming Kinect has. "

The question is not whether they'll try to fit Kinect into "core" games but whether or not they will be able to do this or if there are even gameplay problems for which an EyeToy Plus can be a solution.  They've entirely failed to deliver anything to suggest that it can provide actual gameplay solutions and I've never even heard someone suggest something that would fit that bill.  Though I have heard several idiots talk excitedly about taking their hand off the controller to make a throwing motion to chuck grenades in Halo, and that's not even the worst idea I've heard kicked around. Ask yourself this, how is a high fidelity EyeToy going to improve or add anything to a game like Fable?  I could give you a dozen useless gimmicks, which is probably the path Molyneux will take since he sure loves him some gimmicks, but not a single real gameplay application.  It seems to me that the folks at Microsoft spent a lot of money developing this technology, which is very neat in a vacuum, and thought that it'd look whiz-bang futuristic or something but they never once stopped to think how it would actually work in gameplay.  It's going to have limited applications in a limited range of software, the same limited range of software that was the domain of Sony's EyeToy line.  Some of it will definitely work better on Kinect but that doesn't mean it will be any good. I don't think Microsoft have a clue what they're doing and that they've greatly exaggerated how much anyone, even the less discerning casual players, are going to care about this thing.  Jumping around in front of a camera like a jackass can be fun for a few minutes but unless they're prepared to prove that it's fun for many, many hours this thing is going to bomb and bomb hard.  Obviously I could be wrong but right now that doesn't look like something I'm going to have to worry much about.  "

I hate these essay posts, keep it short ffs

Is that Chris Kohler playing Kinect adventures with Jeff?

I love the awkward not looking at each other standing positions in this video. It's like art or something.

They seem to be talking like a daytime soap opera. To each others backs or facing away from watch other.

You see, what you're saying its entirely valid, its entire true but the same could be said about the Wii. The games that are unique to the Wii, like Wii Sports etc, is the extent of games that really cannot be experienced that way without the Wii.  Kinect just upped that with Wii like games that now cannot be experienced any other way. Sort of. Okay, I am not sure what I was going with that but this is what I have to say: Motion Controls is just a gimmick. You're right, beyond a certain sector of games, you don't want these motion controls or rather, the controls will be gimmicky.  The casual gamers? They are gonna swallow it for one big reason: Its new. That's the novelty that Nintendo used with the Wii. Nintendo's Casual hook was Motion gaming. Microsoft's is controller less gaming.  But yes, until we see something like Child of Eden... more hardcore stuff like that, I would ONLY expect gimmicky stuff for Hardcore Kinect games. I expect Rare to try something in this space with like a Perfect Dark game or something. I could see a real cool fighting game with Kinect. Maybe even a Heavy Rain like game with Kinect. That could be cool. But, right now, beyond casual games and hardcore gimmicks, don't expect much till Kinect sells.  If Kinect sells though, I can bet that developers will start unleashing more crazy ideas on Kinect. The technology is there. Just how it is used. "

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What is this? Some kinda super hard drive. "

" @Forceabuser said:

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What is this? Some kinda super hard drive. "

That's a 360 Dev Kit:
 

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I think the Ryans back to Jeff is a joke silly

Wall Kittens!

I love how Jeff and Ryan stay the same awkward positions during the entire video. LOL