Endurance Run: Chrono Trigger - Part 33

The steal mechanic is pretty well hidden in this game and the game never gives you any indication to use it, so can't blame them there. Having unique items that you can easily miss if you don't steal them from bosses is an old (bad) tradition in JRPGs.

@Splodge said:

These were recorded a good while ago. They are either finished or way beyond this point.

Nope. Episode 28 was recorded live, like, a week ago.

@Paul_Is_Drunk: Indeed, I found it by accident after walking back from downing Ozzie. Would've never seen it naturally.

I can't believe they actually went for the trap-chest. Intentional comedic effect?

@mutha3 said:

@Splodge said:

These were recorded a good while ago. They are either finished or way beyond this point.

Nope. Episode 28 was recorded live, like, a week ago.

I stand corrected! Had not realised they were up to date.

@AlexanderSheen said:

@King9999 said:

I hope these guys read this:

• Switch back to Wait mode.
• Consider using Byla. She can steal good items from enemies, and she could've stolen the Slasher 2, Ozzie Pants, and Flea Vest from the bosses. Also, Byla is the strongest physical fighter in the game.
• Use Cure Wave already. If not, then swap out Bobo for Marle. Cure Beam isn't enough at this stage of the game.
• If you're going to do all of the sidequests, then get prepared. If you think the sand skeleton is tough, then don't do the other sidequests since those bosses are even harder.
• Switch to Wait mode. Yes, I said it twice.

Come on man, they are not Vinny and Jeff, they are not reading any of the comments.

"Hey, let's check out that Confuse tech."

They are definitely reading the comments.

@Slaker117: the room with the huge blade that reduced them to 1hp, its below the exit to that room

Everyone has a go-to party, so I don't blame them for going back to it. I know they'll try some new combos on the other side quests though.

Once again, I rage. It's like every time I think they might be learning and getting a little smarter about how they play, they just start doing the same ridiculously stupid crap again and again.

Ryan! Pounding nails into your genitals is not going to help you! Doing it a dozen times in a row will not change that!

The best part? Chrono Trigger is one of the easiest JRPGs around. It has a few tricks now and then, but by and large it doesn't require grinding, switching out party members, equipment juggling, and so on. Chrono Trigger is a prime example of a JRPG made for the dumb masses, and it's still too much for these guys! No wonder they keep getting lost every ten minutes - there's no quest compass telling them exactly what to do and where to go at all times. Even the helper text that tells them exactly what the attack patterns and resistances/weaknesses of enemies are is apparently too subtle!

As for active vs. wait: active battle systems are inferior for handling high-level fights because it's harder to anticipate the attacks of enemies. Straight turn-based will always be superior when you're dealing with tricky stuff. It's a truth inherent to all turn-based vs. real-time systems and hybrid ones like active are at best compromises. If you want to have a better time managing battles, then don't use the option which, as its key feature, makes it more difficult in order to satisfy impatient players!

I'm so glad you experimented at least a little bit with giving the ladies a spot in the party. Unfortunate that it didn't seem to turn out too well, but that's fine. I guess I miss Barle and Bagus the most but as it stands the high-level and -tech GB squad seems to kick more than enough ass. Good job with holding your own in this sidequest by the way.

And on a final note: as weird as that ending was - all hail the feline overlords. That cat is the biggest bad-ass so far!

I think someone read the comments. Not that he'd admit it though.

@MediaJunky said:

Nooooo....you missed Magus's ultimate gear in Ozzie's Fort. There is a room you go in that has sweet gear for Bagus.

It doesn't matter. Bagus will never rejoin the A-Team.

I think the best part about finally figuring out what confuse does, is Ryan used hypnowave like 4 times half the times on freaking bosses. Man soooooo much would be solved if they just looked at their full tech lists, including duals.

@Vortextk: I doubt looking at the techs would help. They already have proven they need about ten trial and error attempts to differentiate colour between enemies, and don't even bother to read the text that explains what the game functions actually do.

This is a classic case of "why isn't the game playing itself for me! I pressed all the buttons and everything! how am I supposed to know when to use my attacks without cooldowns telling me when I can?" and nothing will change that except for miraculous, spontaneous brain growth in the two test subjects.

@sear said:

Once again, I rage. It's like every time I think they might be learning and getting a little smarter about how they play, they just start doing the same ridiculously stupid crap again and again.

Ryan! Pounding nails into your genitals is not going to help you! Doing it a dozen times in a row will not change that!

The best part? Chrono Trigger is one of the easiest JRPGs around. It has a few tricks now and then, but by and large it doesn't require grinding, switching out party members, equipment juggling, and so on. Chrono Trigger is a prime example of a JRPG made for the dumb masses, and it's still too much for these guys!

Although I agree with your sentiment, your argument is rendered invalid by the fact that they made it as far as they did.

But yeah, they 1) dont seem to read in-game instructions. 2) forget already learnt lessons within two sittings. 3) Still queue up all of their attacks, not considering that a boss might counter-attack.

It just gets harder and harder to imagine Ryan isn't playing dumb on purpose and Patrick is totally in on it. Endurance indeed!

@sear said:

and it's still too much for these guys!

No, it isn't. They've made it through the game just fine so far. Doing dumb things occasionally=/= not being able to handle the game.

As for active vs. wait: active battle systems are inferior for handling high-level fights because it's harder to anticipate the attacks of enemies.

So what? like you said, CT is incredibly easy.

@Deathpooky: i dont think this is true... didnt they do a live episode last week?... they where recorded a good deal before hand but i think they caught up over the Christmas break

It's kind of satisfying seeing them get their asses handed to them now. The way they were bumbling through the 18 hour tutorial was great but this is absolutely hilarious how bad they are.

I wish they took Bagus to Ozzie's Fort just to see what happens.

I'm sure you already know this, but in Ozzie's Fort, in the room where the poor imp gets sliced and diced by Ozzie, if you go down into the "black area" in the lower right part of the screen, you'll come to an area offering the best stuff for Bagus, and a Magic Tab.

@gladspooky said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@King9999 said:

I hope these guys read this:

• Switch back to Wait mode.
• Consider using Byla. She can steal good items from enemies, and she could've stolen the Slasher 2, Ozzie Pants, and Flea Vest from the bosses. Also, Byla is the strongest physical fighter in the game.
• Use Cure Wave already. If not, then swap out Bobo for Marle. Cure Beam isn't enough at this stage of the game.
• If you're going to do all of the sidequests, then get prepared. If you think the sand skeleton is tough, then don't do the other sidequests since those bosses are even harder.
• Switch to Wait mode. Yes, I said it twice.

Come on man, they are not Vinny and Jeff, they are not reading any of the comments.

"Hey, let's check out that Confuse tech."

They are definitely reading the comments.

I dunno... If they were really reading the comments, they would be using cure wave by now. :P

..... Unless they are highly selective on what they read...

That actually wouldn't be too surprising, given the content of most of the comments. But lets also not forget the following fact:

@gosukiller said:

2) forget already learnt lessons within two sittings.

So if they do read the comments- they will forget such lessons within 1-2 videos anyway.

It's a lose-lose situation for those enraged by Ryan's abysmal skill level. >_>

I don't think you guys need to swap out characters to exchange equipment. You should be able to just scroll down on the equip menu to see the rest of the characters' equipment. I think that's why you see a flashing arrow pointing down when selecting a character on that menu. I think I had Bagus in my part during the Ozzie side quest which causes some contextual dialogue moments. Though I guess the whole point of the game is differences in character lines in cut scenes. Keep going guys I think you're almost done.

@King9999 said:

I hope these guys read this:

• Switch back to Wait mode.
• Consider using Byla. She can steal good items from enemies, and she could've stolen the Slasher 2, Ozzie Pants, and Flea Vest from the bosses. Also, Byla is the strongest physical fighter in the game.
• Use Cure Wave already. If not, then swap out Bobo for Marle. Cure Beam isn't enough at this stage of the game.
• If you're going to do all of the sidequests, then get prepared. If you think the sand skeleton is tough, then don't do the other sidequests since those bosses are even harder.
• Switch to Wait mode. Yes, I said it twice.

If they switch to Wait mode at all then I'm done with this Endurance Run. Chrono Trigger isn't about the lame ass wait mode. It shouldn't even have been an option. It'd double, or hell, TRIPLE their time in boss fights (Because they'd discuss what ability to use ad naseum) and wouldn't be fun to watch at all.

Just because YOU rage like a kid when they screw up doesn't mean us non sub-humans don't find it entertaining.

The generals were originally named after condiments.

@gosukiller said:

It just gets harder and harder to imagine Ryan isn't playing dumb on purpose and Patrick is totally in on it. Endurance indeed!

Ryan definitely isn't playing dumb on purpose. He's genuinely the worst gamer of the entire team.

Still love the guy though.

Wow, Patrick and Ryan are so incredibly smelly at this game. When I watch it, I fell like poo poo. My Daddy said that if they don't stop being smelly and terrible he will beat them up for me. And, if I'm good, I can eat some ice-cream before I go to bed. I hope I dont wee my bed, then I will smell like Patrick and Ryan because they are doo-doo heads!

Now, say the above back to yourself aloud but in a whiney making-fun-of you kind of voice and you have my completely accurate impersonation of the type of person who actually gets upset about a video no one is forcing them to watch on the internet.

@WarlockEngineerMoreDakka said:

@gladspooky said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@King9999 said:

I hope these guys read this:

• Switch back to Wait mode.
• Consider using Byla. She can steal good items from enemies, and she could've stolen the Slasher 2, Ozzie Pants, and Flea Vest from the bosses. Also, Byla is the strongest physical fighter in the game.
• Use Cure Wave already. If not, then swap out Bobo for Marle. Cure Beam isn't enough at this stage of the game.
• If you're going to do all of the sidequests, then get prepared. If you think the sand skeleton is tough, then don't do the other sidequests since those bosses are even harder.
• Switch to Wait mode. Yes, I said it twice.

Come on man, they are not Vinny and Jeff, they are not reading any of the comments.

"Hey, let's check out that Confuse tech."

They are definitely reading the comments.

I dunno... If they were really reading the comments, they would be using cure wave by now. :P

..... Unless they are highly selective on what they read...

That actually wouldn't be too surprising, given the content of most of the comments. But lets also not forget the following fact:

@gosukiller said:

2) forget already learnt lessons within two sittings.

So if they do read the comments- they will forget such lessons within 1-2 videos anyway.

It's a lose-lose situation for those enraged by Ryan's abysmal skill level. >_>

They are clearly reading comments. Patrick even said 'Cure Wave' and then corrected and said Cure Beam. Not one mention of it before and now after comments were spammed with it...

@gladspooky said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@King9999 said:

I hope these guys read this:

• Switch back to Wait mode.
• Consider using Byla. She can steal good items from enemies, and she could've stolen the Slasher 2, Ozzie Pants, and Flea Vest from the bosses. Also, Byla is the strongest physical fighter in the game.
• Use Cure Wave already. If not, then swap out Bobo for Marle. Cure Beam isn't enough at this stage of the game.
• If you're going to do all of the sidequests, then get prepared. If you think the sand skeleton is tough, then don't do the other sidequests since those bosses are even harder.
• Switch to Wait mode. Yes, I said it twice.

Come on man, they are not Vinny and Jeff, they are not reading any of the comments.

"Hey, let's check out that Confuse tech."

They are definitely reading the comments.

This

I LOVE ENDURANCE RUNS!

I really do, but the last two days have just been painful. jesus christ. Also sad to feel like its almost over, please do another one after this, please!

@Tangerines said:

@gladspooky said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@King9999 said:

I hope these guys read this:

• Switch back to Wait mode.
• Consider using Byla. She can steal good items from enemies, and she could've stolen the Slasher 2, Ozzie Pants, and Flea Vest from the bosses. Also, Byla is the strongest physical fighter in the game.
• Use Cure Wave already. If not, then swap out Bobo for Marle. Cure Beam isn't enough at this stage of the game.
• If you're going to do all of the sidequests, then get prepared. If you think the sand skeleton is tough, then don't do the other sidequests since those bosses are even harder.
• Switch to Wait mode. Yes, I said it twice.

Come on man, they are not Vinny and Jeff, they are not reading any of the comments.

"Hey, let's check out that Confuse tech."

They are definitely reading the comments.

This

Wait til they get to that fire boss, if they think the skeleton was hard, the fire dude made me stop playing. I could probably get a few of those ruby vests though i guess.

@dudeglove: Thank you, your timing was perfect.

Why was he so resiliant to giving bucca and barle better gear:P?

"You know what? This is good, i'd rather they just focused their attack on one guy than everyone"

3 turns later that dude is dead and they are fucked up. I love this dreamteam endurance run

So I'm going to stop reading the comments on these from now on. People complained about wanting another endurance run, and now that they get it they complain because they aren't perfect.

They are doing fine, really. Part of playing a game for the first time is sucking, and they still seem to be doing decently. I missed about every secret my first run of Chrono Trigger, so they aren't doing THAT awful (I also had the worst team ever solely because I liked more characters than others).

So come on. Just watch 'em play. Though I'm going to assume the damage is done based on Ryan's twitter; this'll probably be the last Endurance Run because some people can't just calm down and enjoy what they asked for.

@xbob42 said:

@King9999 said:

I hope these guys read this:

• Switch back to Wait mode.
• Consider using Byla. She can steal good items from enemies, and she could've stolen the Slasher 2, Ozzie Pants, and Flea Vest from the bosses. Also, Byla is the strongest physical fighter in the game.
• Use Cure Wave already. If not, then swap out Bobo for Marle. Cure Beam isn't enough at this stage of the game.
• If you're going to do all of the sidequests, then get prepared. If you think the sand skeleton is tough, then don't do the other sidequests since those bosses are even harder.
• Switch to Wait mode. Yes, I said it twice.

If they switch to Wait mode at all then I'm done with this Endurance Run. Chrono Trigger isn't about the lame ass wait mode. It shouldn't even have been an option. It'd double, or hell, TRIPLE their time in boss fights (Because they'd discuss what ability to use ad naseum) and wouldn't be fun to watch at all.

Just because YOU rage like a kid when they screw up doesn't mean us non sub-humans don't find it entertaining.

You picked this of all comments to rage on? King is just giving tips to make the fights easier unlike many of the others here in the comments who are actively bitching.

I rented this game multiple, multiple times back in my elementary school games, but never got very far. I'm learning so much via this Endurance Run!

EDIT: I'm fairly sure they are aware of Cure Wave and what it does, they're just playing the odds and thinking it's better to use two characters to attack and one to defend rather than the other way around.

This is the best Endurance Run, simply because the childish nerd rage in every comments page.

For being the first time playing trough this game, they are doin g pretty well. They should stick to wait rather then active because Ryan is allways a bit slow, but other then that they have managed well troughout. All the people raging need to remember that MOST people DON'T know every secret of the game. I personally would have played it differently from them, but they are doing well so stop flaming, jeez:P

You know what? It can be frustrating watching them play through this, but I don't assume they are just incompetent. I'm gonna go ahead and assume I miss a lot of stupid stuff while playing video games and there just isn't a couple hundred people watching to catch them all.

It is wrong that I'm playing this game on my PC, using a SNES emulator and a Xbox 360 controller? If it is, I'm not seeing it as such.

@theuselessgod said:

So I'm going to stop reading the comments on these from now on. People complained about wanting another endurance run, and now that they get it they complain because they aren't perfect.

They are doing fine, really. Part of playing a game for the first time is sucking, and they still seem to be doing decently. I missed about every secret my first run of Chrono Trigger, so they aren't doing THAT awful (I also had the worst team ever solely because I liked more characters than others).

So come on. Just watch 'em play. Though I'm going to assume the damage is done based on Ryan's twitter; this'll probably be the last Endurance Run because some people can't just calm down and enjoy what they asked for.

this definitely, i mean sure there are legitimately annoying parts of this ER that happened a few episodes back, but regardless you gotta let these guys play how they want. but some fuckers took it too far and harassed the guys on twitter. and potentially ruining it for everyone

@allworkandlowpay said:

This is the best Endurance Run, simply because the childish nerd rage in every comments page.

this!

Stop ignoring byla

@Splodge said:

@allworkandlowpay said:

This is the best Endurance Run, simply because the childish nerd rage in every comments page.

this!

Yeah, that's extra enjoyment.

Was there a New Game+ mode in Chrono Trigger? It's been a while since I've played it.

So, that character that has a heal-all dual tech with Brono? You had it in your party. Hint: It's name starts with a B.

@Gregomasta said:

@Splodge said:

@allworkandlowpay said:

This is the best Endurance Run, simply because the childish nerd rage in every comments page.

this!

Yeah, that's extra enjoyment.

It adds like an extra 15 mins to the ER thumbing through the comments laughing at all these idiots.

The only comments I see that complain and bitch are those that complain that other comments are bitching even though there are few. If you don't like complaining and bitching in the comments then stop doing it because you are the ones doing it.

What's worse: complaining or bitching about complaining?

I think the latter is worse.

@Max_Hydrogen said:

The only comments I see that complain and bitch are those that complain that other comments are bitching even though there are few. If you don't like complaining and bitching in the comments then stop doing it because you are the ones doing it.

What's worse: complaining or bitching about complaining?

I think the latter is worse.

Re-quoting this is funny in itself.