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Giant Bombcast 02/25/2014

Things heat up as the release calendar intensifies, forcing us to discuss hot new releases such as Thief, Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, Epic Pinball, and Tyrian.

The Giant Bombcast is the world's most beloved video game podcast, and now it's available in video form.

Feb. 25 2014

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@dedbeet said:

@maysh said:

Whereas, Jeff has the ability to think about the wider picture. He will admit upfront when it's personal bias or personal distaste that is guiding his opinion and admit that "maybe it's just not my thing, but I can see how other people could enjoy it."

Your criticisms of Brad I think are spot on but I disagree with this statement about Jeff as I find he narrowly defines many aspects of gaming and rejects anything outside those definitions, usually very vehemently. Look at how he talks about Red Dead Redemption; he rejects any idea that that game could be good based off the little amount time he actually spent with it, despite everyone else at Giantbomb singing its praises.

I agree with this. His opinions on Dark Souls are similar. He says the Souls game are bad but it seems like he's barely touched them.

I also think he bears equal share in escalating the argument by refusing to just let it end and continuing to antagonize Brad.

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YOU are dracula.
you ARE dracula!
you are DRACULA?

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Podcast fight over PvZ and CoD.

Weird.

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When did the Bombcast turn into NeoGAF: The Audiobook?

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@elitebear: I think Brad is near god in CS, isnt he.

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I cant wait to see if and how this week's ARGUMENT gets addressed next week. They got a week to think of a great joke.

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@sonicboyster said:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down. Nobody wants to hear you guys genuinely tearing at each other during podcasts or quicklooks or anything else, and it feels like lately I'm hearing a whole lot of Jeff attacking Brad all over the place while Brad gets really pissed off about it and stumbles through a nearly incoherent response. I don't know what the issue is but you guys need to work it the fuck out before it starts ruining your content or worse.

this

Not because of the argument itself but because of the unconstructive way it was being discussed. Super unprofessional. And it's not even Friday. I felt really uncomfortable while that was going on.

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@lukas said:

@sonicboyster said:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down. Nobody wants to hear you guys genuinely tearing at each other during podcasts or quicklooks or anything else, and it feels like lately I'm hearing a whole lot of Jeff attacking Brad all over the place while Brad gets really pissed off about it and stumbles through a nearly incoherent response. I don't know what the issue is but you guys need to work it the fuck out before it starts ruining your content or worse.

this

Not because of the argument itself but because of the unconstructive way it was being discussed. Super unprofessional. And it's not even Friday. I felt really uncomfortable while that was going on.

How are any of you fucking people taking this shit seriously at all or am I being punked because you people are actually being sarcastic SHIT THE PIE HIT MY FACE LOL GOOD ONE GUYS

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I am so happy to hear stuff about Tyrian, Epic Pinball, and DOS stuff in general :D

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Okay I don't watch True Detective and I probably shouldn't get so worked up over that dude describing drug cartel torture but could someone tell me the quote from the show or link me to a clip of it? I don't even know where to start looking.

Also what was that song in the beginning?

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I have to agree with Brad on the class based vs regular team based argument. I generally have a lot more fun with anything multiplayer that's class based IF I'm playing with friends, because it forces you to work together much more if you want to win, the experience of playing off each others abilities is just nicer. In other team based shooters, those roles feel so much more on the periphery.

I think the underlying theme, for me at least, is that in the typical team based shooters, the fun is getting more skilled and that's it, and I'm not young anymore and everyone is more skilled than me, so those games just aren't fun. In class based games, you need your friends much more to compensate for your lack of abilities, and that experience of calling on your friends for help, or being there when they call on you, is just nicer, even when you're losing. Having said that, when you're not playing with your bros, the CODs of the world are much simpler affair, and more fun, than the Battlefields and the TF2s of the world.

There's gonna be a lot of disappointed semi casual gamers who saw a Titanfall trailer, got all hype, thought this was a system seller, invested in it, then got bored after a month and put it down. Especially once they find out it was on 360 and didn't have to buy a new console to play it.

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Okay I don't watch True Detective and I probably shouldn't get so worked up over that dude describing drug cartel torture but could someone tell me the quote from the show or link me to a clip of it? I don't even know where to start looking.

Also what was that song in the beginning?

Found it.

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"wait... i AM dracula" is what made this bombcast for me.

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@heatdrive88 said:

@lukas said:

@sonicboyster said:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down. Nobody wants to hear you guys genuinely tearing at each other during podcasts or quicklooks or anything else, and it feels like lately I'm hearing a whole lot of Jeff attacking Brad all over the place while Brad gets really pissed off about it and stumbles through a nearly incoherent response. I don't know what the issue is but you guys need to work it the fuck out before it starts ruining your content or worse.

this

Not because of the argument itself but because of the unconstructive way it was being discussed. Super unprofessional. And it's not even Friday. I felt really uncomfortable while that was going on.

How are any of you fucking people taking this shit seriously at all or am I being punked because you people are actually being sarcastic SHIT THE PIE HIT MY FACE LOL GOOD ONE GUYS

I think they're just projecting their own insecurities and lack of social skills onto the crew, and that listening to the Bombcast is probably the closest they come to engaging in an actual conversation throughout the week.

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@heatdrive88 said:

@lukas said:

@sonicboyster said:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down. Nobody wants to hear you guys genuinely tearing at each other during podcasts or quicklooks or anything else, and it feels like lately I'm hearing a whole lot of Jeff attacking Brad all over the place while Brad gets really pissed off about it and stumbles through a nearly incoherent response. I don't know what the issue is but you guys need to work it the fuck out before it starts ruining your content or worse.

this

Not because of the argument itself but because of the unconstructive way it was being discussed. Super unprofessional. And it's not even Friday. I felt really uncomfortable while that was going on.

How are any of you fucking people taking this shit seriously at all or am I being punked because you people are actually being sarcastic SHIT THE PIE HIT MY FACE LOL GOOD ONE GUYS

I think they're just projecting their own insecurities and lack of social skills onto the crew, and that listening to the Bombcast is probably the closest they come to engaging in an actual conversation throughout the week.

I think you're projecting your own insecurities about your sexuality onto other commenters.

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@minipato said:

@three0nefive said:

@heatdrive88 said:

@lukas said:

@sonicboyster said:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down. Nobody wants to hear you guys genuinely tearing at each other during podcasts or quicklooks or anything else, and it feels like lately I'm hearing a whole lot of Jeff attacking Brad all over the place while Brad gets really pissed off about it and stumbles through a nearly incoherent response. I don't know what the issue is but you guys need to work it the fuck out before it starts ruining your content or worse.

this

Not because of the argument itself but because of the unconstructive way it was being discussed. Super unprofessional. And it's not even Friday. I felt really uncomfortable while that was going on.

How are any of you fucking people taking this shit seriously at all or am I being punked because you people are actually being sarcastic SHIT THE PIE HIT MY FACE LOL GOOD ONE GUYS

I think they're just projecting their own insecurities and lack of social skills onto the crew, and that listening to the Bombcast is probably the closest they come to engaging in an actual conversation throughout the week.

I think you're projecting your own insecurities about your sexuality onto other commenters.

good one d00d

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@likeassur: Was it, though? I think the level of hero worship here can be downright fucking creepy at times, like people think that the crew would be in tears, ready to pound the shit out of each other if we weren't there to reassure them and post-humorously moderate their discussions. These are grown-ass men having a normal conversation and people are acting like they're threatening to break up the site or something.

It's weird and creepy and gross and sometimes it makes me embarrassed to say I'm part of this community.

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@likeassur: Was it, though? I think the level of hero worship here can be downright fucking creepy at times, like people think that the crew would be in tears, ready to pound the shit out of each other if we weren't there to reassure them and post-humorously moderate their discussions. These are grown-ass men having a normal conversation and people are acting like they're threatening to break up the site or something.

It's weird and creepy and gross and sometimes it makes me embarrassed to say I'm part of this community.

I agreed to your previous post, but this one seems a little too drastic.

I rarely see "hero worship", I see a bunch of dudes who enjoy "hanging out" with the staff from this website. They are entertained by them and consider them friends. There's nothing creepy about people enjoying other peoples company. You honestly sound way too upset over nothing, much like the original post you responded to.

All of you just need to chill the fuck out.

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While I see both sides of the short argument between Brad and Jeff, honestly I think I gotta side with Jeff after thinking about it for a bit. I can see what Brad's argument was, that in order for a shooter to be interesting, there has to be something besides shooting people. However, FPS games since Doom have always been about more than just shooting. You honestly can't tell me that Quake 3 or Counterstrike have no depth because there are no different classes to play like TF2. To play competitively in ANY FPS (yes, even COD multiplayer), you have to have a solid grasp on combat tactics as much as general combat strategy. There is a difference. Tactics is knowing to flank left or right if your teammate is engaging/suppressing the enemy, predicting enemy movement, never reload during a firefight, be quick on the draw, etc. Strategy is picking your class (if the option is available), knowing the map, going over the plan with teammates, having an overall gameplan and sticking to it, etc. What Brad was saying, essentially, is that a shooter needs gameplay mechanics and systems that emphasize strategic cooperative play styles or it's brainless and boring. That isn't true at all, and Jeff called him out on it. Are there brainless shooters on the market? Sure there are. However, COD and Battlefield campaigns are the only thing I can think of where not a lot of thought is required. A shooter doesn't need ham-fisted "strategy" elements to be fun, look at Counterstrike. One of the most competitive, deep shooters on the market and it boils down to "shoot that guy".

What it comes down to is that Brad is a more strategy minded gamer and Jeff is more tactically minded, if that makes sense. Probably why Jeff likes fighting games so much because those are tactics based games, not strategy based. I should probably go to bed.

Well said - in that respect, I was siding with Jeff as well. The both of them haven't been incredibly articulate about their respective points, but the argument was still well worth having.

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DAVE MIRRA'S MIRRORS

That actually got an audible chuckle out of me.

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nice Faith No More reference while talking Tony Hawk

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I don't get how Jeff didn't get what Brad was saying. Brad was saying there are classes in PvZ:GW and it gives you more to do than to just shoot at guys or "left trigger, right trigger" as he put it.

Then Jeff is like "nuh uh, you can defend an area, you can snipe..." which completely misses the point. In order to defend an area, you shoot guys. In order to snipe, you shoot guys. Brad was talking about doing other things besides shooting guys like healing your teammates, setting up turrets or traps, etc., which comes along with class-based multiplayer games.

Was he really that confused? It seemed more like he was just mad that Brad had a valid argument against generic FPS games that he likes.

I dunno, mommy and daddy yell and it hurts my tummy.

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@elitebear said:

saying that multiplayer fps'es come down to just "left trigger right trigger" is so reductive its painful. just because a lot of them dont have a built in class system assigning explicit roles doesn't mean there isnt diverse strategy or depth to the game. the strategy required may be less obvious but it can still be there.

brad should get into cs go and acquiant himself with the intricacies in that game. No class systems, everyone is essentially on an even playing field as far as built in game mechanics. it doesn't matter how good you are at doing "left trigger right trigger" and killing dudes in a 1v1 duel, the ultimate singular goal of that game, if you don't have a good sense of how to use smoke/flash grenades, set up a push, manage your economy, consider your role within the team etc, if you don't strategize and consider these things you will fucking die. As far as pointing and shooting, i dont think theres much difference in skill between mid level and upper level players, what separates them is their overall knowledge of the game that allows them to be put in situations where they can kill successfully.

Pretty much. I know Jeff tends to be more sweet on CoD and FPS shooters in general than the rest of the group, but Brad was being really reductive and generalizing too much like he often does. True, class-based shooters have more explicit strategic roles, but there is a lot more going on in a good FPS shooter than a lot of people (who don't know how to play them very well or don't care to, which are both fine) seem to appreciate. Brad didn't really seem to know how to handle it when Jeff called him out on his reduction, so he seemed to hastily react with not much of an argument. Perfectly fine for Brad to like what he likes (and Jeff or anyone else to like what they like), but his trying to make a personal preference into some universal truth wasn't very successful.

That said, I love it when they argue, haha. Spices things up. And people should stop acting like they were about to knife each other or something. It was nothing more than a simple heated exchange. So keep on keepin' on. :)

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@august said:
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"TF2 doesn't have a horde mode," meanwhile TF2 has had a horde mode for a year and a half.

I'm pretty sure none of them have played TF2 in at least a couple of years.

Sure, but it would be nice if one of them remembered that they actually did a TNT of said horde mode.

There were four people on that TNT. One of them is dead, one of them doesn't work at GB, one of them doesn't work in SF and isn't on the podcast regularly, and the other person was Jeff, who doesn't like TF2, spent a lot of that show being dismissive about the game and would have forgotten everything about that TNT in the year plus since it happened if he didn't already discard that memory the second the TNT was over.

Really, that comment about a horde mode in TF2 by Brad was the only thing that made me want to say anything. As far as that entire argument between Jeff and Brad is concerned, both of them were idiots in different ways and neither deserved to be crowned the "winner" of the debate by the time it ran its course.

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@three0nefive: Eh, just wanted to point out how little your armchair pseudo psychologist insult had to do with the actual comment by making a non-sequitur armchair pseudo psychological insult of my own.

Are you sure you're not the one hero-worshiping them? I mean, any new listener would automatically assume that Jeff hates Brad from their little spats lately. If you've been following them long enough to somehow know that this is normal and they can handle arguments like that, then perhaps you're the creepy one who has been spending too much time with them? Surely thinking that Brad and Jeff hate eachother is a sign of someone who isn't creepy and hasn't spent enough time following Giantbomb? Perhaps you're so scared of the thought that Giantbomb could split up that you angrily lash out at anyone who second guesses the crew's relationship? /noncertifiedpsychologist

Point is, it's stupid to accuse people of being "creepy" when the Giantbomb crew put themselves out there via countless podcasts, videos, twitter, and tumblr. To be so sure of their relationship is just as creepy, if not more creepy than being unsure of it.

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Hello? It's tuesday...

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@chose: Ha, I came on this section and skipped to the last comment to see if anyone else noticed. Hmmmmmm

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I predict that, on this week's podcast, the sexual tension between @brad and @jeff will explode into a passionate bodice-ripping love affair to rival (in real life) the stormy and torrid yarns of supermarket romance fiction.

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where is the GODDAMN PODCAST

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where is the GODDAMN PODCAST

From Jeff's Twitter

OK, podcast is recorded! Need to slap music on it and such and it’ll be up in a little while.

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I'm just glad someone else thinks Grandma's Boy is hot garbage. Man, pot humor might be my least favorite type of humor, period.

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Remember that one time Brad stayed rational and reasonable during an argument?

Me neither.

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Vinny saying "Aim the brick throw the brick" was absolutely hilarious! That man has a fantastic sense of humor!

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For a minute there I thought Jeff was gonna ask Brad to step outside.

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