You need Premium to view this

Subscribe to Giant Bomb Premium to get access to this and more premium shows, live streams, and podcasts.

Get Premium Learn More

Unprofessional Fridays: 05/23/2014

Brad uses the forth, Drew field strips, Jeff proves himself, and Vinny sets the world on fire.

The end of the week is here! You made it! Let's sit back, relax, and close the week out in style with some video games.

May. 23 2014

Cast: Jeff, Brad, Vinny, Drew, Matt

Posted by: Drew

139 Comments

Avatar image for drstrangepork
DrStrangepork

457

Forum Posts

2

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I find Matthew Rorie's ongoing outrage towards the temperature of the soda machines quite hilarious.

Avatar image for snattu
snattu

71

Forum Posts

208

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 1

Edited By snattu

AK is ridiculously complicated compared to the Finnish variant RK-62 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_62).

Avatar image for xbob42
xbob42

927

Forum Posts

4

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

@fram said:

@shieldb said:

@billymagnum said:

@fram: it doesnt make me want to avoid steam, just dota and any game with anything close that kind of BS business model.

What's wrong with Dota 2's business model? The entire game is free, the only thing you can put money into is cosmetic items with no gameplay impact. Dota 2 / TF2 usually get pointed to as pretty much the least offensive/onerous way to do free to play, so I'm curious what your take on it is.

Broadly speaking, I agree with you 100%. If you're talking about FTP business models, Dota 2 and TF2 do it well. If what you buy is purely cosmetic, it negates the "pay-to-win" argument that can be leveled against so many other payment structures.

My feelings on Valve are hard to qualify. Steam has done a lot of good for both consumers and developers. I have about 200 games in my Steam library, and as far as I'm concerned it's THE storefront from which to buy games on PC.

That said, there's something odd-feeling about "earning" a Steam trading card by playing a game, putting this digital cipher of a thing on the "marketplace" and having it sell immediately for 20 cents (of which Valve takes a cut.)

Every time a "rare" item (whose rarity is governed by Valve) is sold for stupid sums of money, Valve takes a cut. Often those items are then re-sold to other players for higher amounts.

They've become insanely good at creating systems and monetising them in ways that don't really put up a barrier between you and your games. Something about that feels super insidious to me. I can't adequately express why that is, and that bothers me even more.

Yes, it's super insidious that you can make back a portion of what you spent on games via trading cards because someone on the other end is having fun collecting them! Everybody wins, but there must be something evil afoot!

Dota 2 has a bad business model because everything related to gameplay, EVERYTHING, totally free. But because you can buy hats and skins and announcer packs, things that have no impact on gameplay at all and that you only buy them if you like them and want them, it's awful! Awful! Nevermind that you can also create items of your own to put up and make large profits selling your stuff for your work.

There's nothing insidious. It's smart business because it builds trust and benefits everyone involved massively. That's the best kind of business, because no one feels like they got fucked. Only paranoid fuckers seem to take issue with it. (Not saying you are specifically mind, just that the whole Dota 2 business model has been brought up multiple times here.)

Xbox One game at $60 with pre-order bonuses spread over 15 different retailers, disappointing collector's editions and 15 DLC packs adding up to twice the price of the game = normal, healthy

Free game where you can buy cosmetic stuff = insidious, evil

Avatar image for rmanthorp
rmanthorp

4654

Forum Posts

3603

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 14

rmanthorp  Moderator

No Caption Provided

Good luck Vinny!

Perfect! Cya Vinmaster!

Avatar image for jordanarama
JordanaRama

430

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By JordanaRama

BRAD BUY MORE COMPENDIUMS.

Avatar image for thomasonfa
thomasonfa

398

Forum Posts

82

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

Edited By thomasonfa

@pdxsonic: What u talkin bout, Willis? No more Vinny?

Avatar image for wikitoups
Wikitoups

1455

Forum Posts

5

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@sessh: EARTH IS SAVED!!!!

*8 minutes later*

EARTH IS DOOMED!!!

Avatar image for andrewb
AndrewB

7816

Forum Posts

82

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 16

Do I think there will be a flood of new Star Wars games with the new movie on the horizon?

Yes, and one of them had BETTER BE Jedi Knight 3.

Avatar image for tomtomthepirate
tomtomthepirate

13

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

You know what I realized? With Vinny gone Drew isn't going to be able to swap out with anyone and will be stuck behind the scenes producing this kind of content more often. Goddamnit.

Avatar image for xevabis
Xevabis

258

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Loading Video...

Good luck Vinny!

Avatar image for benderunit22
benderunit22

1978

Forum Posts

9567

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 1

That Dota2 compendium reminds me of when Brad bitched about the Plants vs Zombies 2 business model or the way they talked about being able to unlock everything in EA Sports games. I guess he can't complain anymore.

Avatar image for andrewb
AndrewB

7816

Forum Posts

82

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 16

Why am I going to miss Vinny?

Because every single time his segment is the funniest.

But I suppose he's not going to disappear entirely.

Avatar image for onemanx
OneManX

1728

Forum Posts

50

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 6

@andrewb said:

Do I think there will be a flood of new Star Wars games with the new movie on the horizon?

Yes, and one of them had BETTER BE Jedi Knight 3.

Jedi Academy?

But yes, a new Jedi Knight game would be top.

Avatar image for alkusanagi
AlKusanagi

1667

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

Fireman Vinny isn't the hero we need, but he's the hero we want.

Avatar image for bboys2231
BBOYS2231

366

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

"THIS IS SO I DON'T CATCH ON FIRE!" I literally spit my food out.

Avatar image for customotto
customotto

630

Forum Posts

5

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for andrewb
AndrewB

7816

Forum Posts

82

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 16

Edited By AndrewB

@onemanx said:

@andrewb said:

Do I think there will be a flood of new Star Wars games with the new movie on the horizon?

Yes, and one of them had BETTER BE Jedi Knight 3.

Jedi Academy?

But yes, a new Jedi Knight game would be top.

Jedi Academy was practically an expansion to Jedi Knight II. I was also going by the official naming scheme of the series since Dark Forces.

Avatar image for ripelivejam
ripelivejam

13572

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

maybe this will lead to GBNY Business Casual Fridays

Avatar image for cthomer5000
cthomer5000

1422

Forum Posts

31

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

You know what I realized? With Vinny gone Drew isn't going to be able to swap out with anyone and will be stuck behind the scenes producing this kind of content more often. Goddamnit.

They're hiring another producer (Jeff mentioned they've been interviewing). Drew will now be the Vinny, and the new guy will be the Drew in terms of hierarchy i'd imagine.

Avatar image for pop
Pop

2769

Forum Posts

4697

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 8

Why are people angry with the Dota 2 microtransactions? Nothing about the way you play the game changes, it's just cosmetic. I don't like microtransactions either, but the way they're implemented in dota 2 is pretty good.

Avatar image for monkfishesq
monkfishesq

334

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

UPF is going to be dead after vinny leaves. Brad will just play a boring game that noone pays attention to for an hour and then drew will pick up the slack with some interesting weird thing and there will no vinny to actually make it funny :(

Avatar image for ragbag
ragbag

58

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

man i need that icopro shirt jeff's wearing.

Avatar image for iceman228433
iceman228433

743

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

When Vinny is gone these shows are really going to suck he is the only one that plays fun games. Everyone else I just nod off till Vinny shows up.

Avatar image for whitegreyblack
whitegreyblack

2414

Forum Posts

14

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@monkfishesq: There's definitely a chance of this happening. Vinny comes in at the end to reinvigorate most UPF's lately, like clockwork.

Avatar image for zay
Zay

10

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Zay

Brad playing fuckin' dota on the last Vinny UPF.............

Oh good, crisis averted.

Avatar image for cornbredx
cornbredx

7484

Forum Posts

2699

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 15

Man. I have not seen a good fire fighting video game since Towering Inferno on Atari 2600. So disappointing.

Avatar image for mankmachinery
MankMachinery

123

Forum Posts

14

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

DOTA is a piece of shit, but I feel like Valve, if anyone, would put the money to good use.

Avatar image for freedomtown
FreedomTown

300

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Firefighters....we salute you.

Great show

Avatar image for crickut
Crickut

14

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Phat Brad.

Avatar image for sedington86
sedington86

2

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By sedington86
No Caption Provided

Im here to extinguish your burning loins - Vinny

Avatar image for eppy29
eppy29

5

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

can someone get brad to stop using the word "weird" please? not everything is weird brad; there are other words that can be used in reaction to unfamiliar information...

Avatar image for assinass
AssInAss

3306

Forum Posts

2420

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 3

Avatar image for assinass
AssInAss

3306

Forum Posts

2420

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 3

@andrewb said:
@onemanx said:
@andrewb said:

Do I think there will be a flood of new Star Wars games with the new movie on the horizon?

Yes, and one of them had BETTER BE Jedi Knight 3.

Jedi Academy?

But yes, a new Jedi Knight game would be top.

Jedi Academy was practically an expansion to Jedi Knight II. I was also going by the official naming scheme of the series since Dark Forces.


Don't expect a good or interesting Star Wars game for a good long while. This absolutely amazing article on the rise and fall of Free Radical (they were making Battlefront 3) explains a lot about what went wrong with LucasArts:

Free Radical vs the Monsters (Eurogamer, Rich Stanton)

Avatar image for audiosnow
audiosnow

3926

Forum Posts

729

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Brad, you are the kind of sucker EA needs right now.

Avatar image for leadingman
leadingman

7

Forum Posts

865

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By leadingman
No Caption Provided

Guitar Vinny rocks on.

Avatar image for deactivated-63b0572095437
deactivated-63b0572095437

1607

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

There's a disappointing lack of monsters in Always Sometimes Monsters.

Avatar image for savagemanlove
SavageManLove

156

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By SavageManLove

No Vinny :(

EDIT:Wait ...half way vinny!?

Avatar image for larrydavis
LarryDavis

1698

Forum Posts

23

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for theirishcuisine
TheIrishCuisine

33

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@serujiow: the xbox one and the games that had micro-transaction weren't free. At least the compendium doesn't give you any real advantage, as the items in dota are purely cosmetic.

Avatar image for rcath
rcath

677

Forum Posts

82

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By rcath

could not stop laughing at the firefighting stuff.

Avatar image for myniceicelife
myniceicelife

730

Forum Posts

305

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

YES!!!! Deathrow has been the game I've been looking for awhile now but couldn't remember the name and so happy the mentioned it. I never owned the game but played the hell out of the demo that there was.

Avatar image for sf_nail
SF_Nail

9

Forum Posts

2

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Vinny experiences severe nostalgia seeing Even Flow during the GH3 segment :D

Avatar image for ruineru3
ruineru3

25

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I'm listening to old Bombcasts from 2008 and every episode they talk about rock band and guitar hero. Now it's like "Remember that?"

Avatar image for loktarogar
LoktarOgar

698

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

No one else seems to be complaining about it, so I guess I'm the only one for whom the archive keeps randomly ending?

Avatar image for jzbadblood
jzbadblood

15

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Vinny had me crying laughing driving that firetruck. Totally gonna miss him on UPF

Avatar image for professork
ProfessorK

884

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

Shadows of the Empire 2, I need more Dash Rendar!!!

Avatar image for slaegar
Slaegar

935

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Slaegar

According to steam, Brad has played 910 hours of Dota 2? That is almost 38 consecutive days. Dota 2 was officially released July 9, 2013. If you ignored the lengthy beta period and idling while the client is open, Brad would have played Dota 2 for 1/10 of his entire life in the past year.

Avatar image for 5p3ktro
5p3ktro

85

Forum Posts

48

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By 5p3ktro
No Caption Provided

Avatar image for mdm
mdm

13

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I missed Jeff so much