Bummer, better luck next year.

He won. It doesn't matter how he won as long as he played by the rules, which he did. I really don't see the big deal. But then again I'm not at all into SC tournaments.

You play to win, he won, He shouldn't apologize for that. 

" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174727   Theyre pissed that  TSL_Rain beat him through cheese and all in rushes.  I would be to if I were NesTea, but this is a tournament, nothing is a cheap. "

nice spoilers... thnx

" You play to win, he won, He shouldn't apologize for that.  "

lol korea you so funny. 
 
cheese is awesome, especially the digital variety.

" nice spoilers... thnx "

" @sixghost: more so since boxer did that shit all the way to the last finals? "

" You play to win, he won, He shouldn't apologize for that.  "

As long as you follow the rules, everything else is fair game. No one should apologize for winning, unless that person was a sore winner (being a complete dick after winning).

" You play to win, he won, He shouldn't apologize for that.  "

You play to win the game.

If he didn't break any rules I don't see any reason to be mad at him.

A win is a win. If you can't handle that, don't watch/play. 

This GSL is pretty boring.  Not that I don't think they should do whatever they can to win, but the marine scv all ins are super super boring to watch.

Isnt cheese supposed to be stopped by scouting? Or is this build too dominant against zerg that scouting early wouldnt help much? 
//I dont follow much of the high level starcraft or the tournaments

dude, way to fucking spoilers.

With 87,000 dollars on the line i'd 2 rax all day long. If I were terran....

" @Malakhii said:

" You play to win, he won, He shouldn't apologize for that.  "

  

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" Isnt cheese supposed to be stopped by scouting? Or is this build too dominant against zerg that scouting early wouldnt help much? //I dont follow much of the high level starcraft or the tournaments "

lawlz

Welp, if they didn't keep 14 hatching as if their balls would drop of if they didn't, maybe this stuff wouldn't happen.

" Welp, if they didn't keep 14 hatching as if their balls would drop of if they didn't, maybe this stuff wouldn't happen. "

I have a problem with the SCII community whining about every damn thing that happens in the game. No allins and cheeses shouldn't be banned, nor should you hate Rain for winning in such a way. Countless players have proven that these rushes are beatable with the right preparation, and with so much money on the line I wouldn't hesistate to cheese either if I were in that position. The community has to learn that not every damn game is going to be 30 minutes+, with massive bases and late game tech going at each other. It's just part of the game. 
 
That being said, I think a huge part of the problem is Tastosis and how they HAVE to mention allins/cheese in every game. If there's none present, they'll say "definitely not cheesy, that's a good thing", which pisses me off to no end because as a commentator all Artosis seems to do is QQ about how Zerg is underpowered and how some maps are imba, while using commentary as a cover, play favorites, especially for IdrA, any foreigners, former golden mouse winners, and any zerg player, and then bash players like bitbybitprime for cheesing; he did it again yesterday, around a week after bitbybit got taken out. Jesus christ, at some point the commentators AND the community have to stop complaining about the games they're being shown and just accept the fact that right now the metagame promotes cheesing/early game builds because no one has figured out how to counter them yet. It doesn't mean that the game need patching or rebalancing, just that it's still yound and needs to be figured out.

" Welp, if they didn't keep 14 hatching as if their balls would drop of if they didn't, maybe this stuff wouldn't happen. "

nothing would please me more than to see someone win big money at a video game tournament by being as cheap as possible.

Not a fan of that sorta play but at the same time, what else is he gonna do? Let Zerg macro up?
The 2rax scv push imo is cheap and boring to watch but with that much cash on the line, can't really blame him. Still makes for a boring ass tourney.

Rain is the biggest loser ever.

A rule I follow in my everyday life, and one that I think applies to life as a whole. 
 
Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

" Not a fan of that sorta play but at the same time, what else is he gonna do? Let Zerg macro up? The 2rax scv push imo is cheap and boring to watch but with that much cash on the line, can't really blame him. Still makes for a boring ass tourney. "

SC1 ended up revolving around niche strategies that were simply better than alternatives, it's no surprise that SC2 ends up the same way.  The only difference is that each patch will change things up so maybe people won't have time to find an absolute perfect strategy before things get changed up again.

WAHHHHHHHHHH 
 
Fans of a ""sport"" are pissed cause a player in that sport is winning by a legitimate play or strategy or something? lol 

Reapers nerf are being revenged.

" @makari said:

" Welp, if they didn't keep 14 hatching as if their balls would drop of if they didn't, maybe this stuff wouldn't happen. "

Also, this. The american servers have seemed to figure out "pool first, quick baneling nest if tons of marine agression, then use that advantage to either win or expand", but all I saw Fruitdealer/Nestea doing was going hatch first or 1base forever in Fruitdealer's case; he just wasn't playing as good as he could.  On a happier/less ragy note, nice to see a protoss finally make it past Ro8, maybe we'll see something other than TVT TVZs now. "

Starcraft 2- a game of deep strategy and planning.  LOL

I've been watching the GSL on gomtv.net, but I am not a subscriber so I've only seen the first match of all these games being played, but it seemed to me that Rain made an adjustment from the first match that they played.  If you watch the first match, it goes into a kind-of late game where Nestea is able to macro a HUGE army and just steamroll over Rain.  He has a ton of zerglings and bainlings and dominates Rain's marine army. 
 
I'm sure that when Rain saw this, he thought to himself that he needs to end these games early in order to stop Nestea's macro production and give himself a chance. 
 
To be fair though, a lot of games I have seen in the GSL this season involved marine, bunker, SCV rushes with varying degrees of success.  I'm wary of watching any terran games now since I get very bored quickly and sometimes even fall asleep watching the cast, haha.

Well... I still has FruitDealer.

fuckin' bunker rushes, how do they work

" Well... I still has FruitDealer. "

Nothing is cheap, game developers worked countless hours testing this and it's in the game for a reason. Same goes for any sort of game, play the way you play, and if you keep winning, keep doing it until someone finds a way to beat it.

" Nothing is cheap, game developers worked countless hours testing this and it's in the game for a reason. Same goes for any sort of game, play the way you play, and if you keep winning, keep doing it until someone finds a way to beat it. "

Way to post spoilers in the subject line yo. Stay classy.

" Starcraft 2- a game of deep strategy and planning.  LOL "

" Way to post spoilers in the subject line yo. Stay classy. "