It's been a little while now that Uncharted 2 was released and I've noticed that the Uncharted haters or people that try to find faults in the game always say: the game is just a 'run, climb, jump, shoot' and so on...
 
Well, while I do agree that it is indeed the main point of the game, in what way is this a fault? Seriously, look at other great games such as Halo, Mario Bros., Gears of War, Modern Warfare 2, Left 4 Dead, Gran Turismo, ect.
 
Halo: Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot...
Gears: Shoot, shoot, chainsaw, shoot...
Mario: Jump, spin, jump, spin, jump...
Modern Warfare 2: Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot...
Gran Turismo: Accelerate, decelerate, accelerate, accelerate more...
 
I think each game is repetitive to a certain point, because each game has its own way to be interactive and tell a story. I mean, what do people expect of an action-adventure treasure hunt game? You go out in space and destroy alien spaceships?
 
Well that's just what I've been thinking today while I went through Modern Warfare 2 again. People should stop compare everything and take it as just another type of game. You agree?

If games didn't do things repetitively to an extent, they'd get criticized for having an identity crisis, sort of like Aaron Thomas criticized R&C.

You're right, it's not a valid argument for them to use at all. If anything Uncharted 2 offers a lot more variety than those games, but even so, as long as a game excels at what it tries to do, whether it be running, climbing, jumping, shooting or indeed accelerating, then most people should be able to look past or not even notice any repetition.

The only people that genuinely hate Uncharted 2 most likely haven't played the game.

Every game can be boiled down to a simplistic list of events, so can your life.

" You're right, it's not a valid argument for them to use at all. If anything Uncharted 2 offers a lot more variety than those games, but even so, as long as a game excels at what it tries to do, whether it be running, climbing, jumping, shooting or indeed accelerating, then most people should be able to look past or not even notice any repetition. "

As a fan of AC1, I know exactly what you mean. It's all good to like or dislike a game for any reasons you choose, and more power to you. But to simply say it's repetitive is no insult to a video game, and shouldn't be considered one. If a game is boring or too slow or what have you, that's another story. But I've been saying it since 2007 now, without repetition and lots of it, there simply are no video games, certainly not popular ones anyway.

" If games didn't do things repetitively to an extent, they'd get criticized for having an identity crisis, sort of like Aaron Thomas criticized R&C. "

" Every game can be boiled down to a simplistic list of events, so can your life. "

" If games didn't do things repetitively to an extent, they'd get criticized for having an identity crisis, sort of like Aaron Thomas criticized R&C. "

How bout <New Game> <Eyes melt> <Brain Melts> <Climb> <Shoot> <Cover> <Run> <Puzzle>  <Cover> <Run> <Puzzle> <More eye melting...>

 Halo: Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot...
Gears: Shoot, shoot, chainsaw, shoot...
Mario: Jump, spin, jump, spin, jump...
Modern Warfare 2: Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot...
Gran Turismo: Accelerate, decelerate, accelerate, accelerate more... 

People should stop compare everything and take it as just another type of game. You agree? "

It's called the game's pedigree IMO. Yes that is the pedigree of Uncharted 2, but who cares? It's done really well, that's what matters.

" If games didn't do things repetitively to an extent, they'd get criticized for having an identity crisis, sort of like Aaron Thomas criticized R&C. "

there are Uncharted 2 haters? never seen one

" @Bolduk: Actually, in every game you run, jump, climb, and shoot. Climbing may vary. Uncharted 2 is awesome. Some dig it, others are missing out...like me... :[ "

" there are Uncharted 2 haters? never seen one "

Nathan Drake is too much of a douchey brendan frasier mid 90's action adventure movie character for me to give a shit about anything he does.
When I look at that douchebag all I see is a 70/30 hair part and a 5/8ths shirt tuck. I can't possibly get past that and acknowledge that there is a solid action game behind the main character because there are plenty of other action games that are just as good if not better, that have bad ass motherfuckers who stomp anyone in their way as main characters.

Everything in the world ever can be boiled down to a few phrases even the best things.
 
Sex: Thrust, thrust, move hands, thrust, take off condom, cry, light cigarette.
Night out: Taxi, table,bar, drink,   table,bar, drink, go home, pass out.
 
I thought Uncharted 2 got its pace and variety of stuff to do spot on. I love that goddamn game.

" Nathan Drake is too much of a douchey brendan frasier mid 90's action adventure movie character for me to give a shit about anything he does. When I look at that douchebag all I see is a 70/30 hair part and a 5/8ths shirt tuck. I can't possibly get past that and acknowledge that there is a solid action game behind the main character because there are plenty of other action games that are just as good if not better, that have bad ass motherfuckers who stomp anyone in their way as main characters. "

Uncharted 2 is more like...Run, jump, climb, solve puzzles, throw grenades, hide for cover, engage in melee, watch cutscene and shoot. Amazing variety.

All games have to have a set variety of actions otherwise it wouldn't be a game. Uncharted 2 has great pacing and variety, which keep it from being repetitive.
 
It's about as stupid criticising the games formula as people who really, really criticise AI. Real people probably would react to situations differently but, hey, if you're building a game in which you're killing 100's of people an hour (and your success depends on that), it has to balance fun with realism, right?

I disagree with what you said about Gears of War. GoW goes more like: Shoot, snap to cover, snap to cover, shoot, snap to cover by accident, shoot, go to chainsaw but you snap to cover instead.
 
It's a great game but seriously it snaps to cover a little too easily Lol

" @keyhunter said:

" Nathan Drake is too much of a douchey brendan frasier mid 90's action adventure movie character for me to give a shit about anything he does. When I look at that douchebag all I see is a 70/30 hair part and a 5/8ths shirt tuck. I can't possibly get past that and acknowledge that there is a solid action game behind the main character because there are plenty of other action games that are just as good if not better, that have bad ass motherfuckers who stomp anyone in their way as main characters. "

So you don't like the character because he is too much real and well developed? Of course, c'mon Naughty Dog, for Uncharted 3, screw the characters and the story and while you're at it, just forget all that make Uncharted 2 such a great game! You heard the guy? He wants the character to be ridiculously plain and badly developed! I'm sure Naughty Dog will listen to you. Sorry but all characters can't just be Gears of War steroids type of characters. "

what else does it need?
i mean, would you rather it be a failure clusterfuck of a whole lot of things, or have it just do a few things really well?

" Nathan Drake is too much of a douchey brendan frasier mid 90's action adventure movie character for me to give a shit about anything he does. When I look at that douchebag all I see is a 70/30 hair part and a 5/8ths shirt tuck. I can't possibly get past that and acknowledge that there is a solid action game behind the main character because there are plenty of other action games that are just as good if not better, that have bad ass motherfuckers who stomp anyone in their way as main characters. "

" The only people that genuinely hate Uncharted 2 most likely haven't played the game. "

" @Bolduk: Well what if the game's story and setting are not very appealing? They sure aren't to me.  "

Football: Kick, wait, kick wait
Cricket: Throw, wait, wait, wait, wait
Basketball: Throw, wait, throw, wait, throw
Baseball: Throw, hit, catch, throw, throw, hit
Life: Live, game, job, child, die
 
Anything can be simplified. Its just those details to those simplifications which makes football, cricket, basketball, baseball, and life so memorable.

" @RaikohBlade said:

" @Bolduk: Well what if the game's story and setting are not very appealing? They sure aren't to me.  "

Well that's up to your personal tastes. But the fact that haters in general are giving weak reasons why this game is supposedly not good is stupid. As weak reasons I'm talking about the "repetitive core-gameplay" or "minor muliplayer flaws" that will be fixed with patches.  People may have different tastes for a game setting, but they will not say: "I'ts not good cause I don't like treasure hunts." So basically, a person may not like the setting, but he can admit that the game is good. "

" @Bolduk said:

" @RaikohBlade said:

" @Bolduk: Well what if the game's story and setting are not very appealing? They sure aren't to me.  "

Well that's up to your personal tastes. But the fact that haters in general are giving weak reasons why this game is supposedly not good is stupid. As weak reasons I'm talking about the "repetitive core-gameplay" or "minor muliplayer flaws" that will be fixed with patches.  People may have different tastes for a game setting, but they will not say: "I'ts not good cause I don't like treasure hunts." So basically, a person may not like the setting, but he can admit that the game is good. "

I totally agree with you. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING about the setting in Modern Warfare 2 is remotely interesting to me. And if I had to review that game (which I'll be doing in about two weeks) I would likely give it something like a 9.5. There's a difference between liking a game and recognizing its quality or lack there of. A person who doesn't like treasure hunts would logically dislike some elements of Uncharted 2 but denying the game crafting skill of Naughty Dog is...I dunno...tomfoolery?  "

• People who like a certain game or game genre, will ignore the discrepancies and faults in it and defend it to death should anyone point it out to them. 
• People who dislike a certain game or game genre, will look for the tiniest fault and use that in order to condemn said game.
• Real gamer don't really care for that sort of nonsense and just enjoy the games they play and will ignore the discrepancies and faults in it. They don't have to like all games but at least they have respect for other gamers who do like it. 

Uncharted 2 is the GOTY 
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" Uncharted 2 is the GOTY /thread "