GDC 2013: After Hours Livestream Spectacular - Part 02

I always go back to that Neil Gaiman quote when it comes to 'comic books' vs. 'graphic novels':

"So as far as I can tell, it's just a difference between being a hooker and a lady of the evening. Basically. The nice thing about calling them graphic novels is that people who can't quite cope with comic books can cope with them under the term "graphic novels." And in the case of something like the Sandman series, it's more or less a marketing term."

Personally, I think graphic novel is a little more accurate since most of them aren't particularly funny ( nor are they meant to be). But I got no problem with 'video game'. Anything else they can come up with would just be politically correct BS or stupid, fake sci-fi sounding crap.

V-RIDE

im very humbled that you wrote so much to my comment, ive responded back to you via a PM, id rather not clutter the comments section with a big conversation, you are one of the few users ive seen that "gets" where the other side that doesnt want to listen to the whole "sexism" thing comes from.

Phil Fish holding up that sign made this the best livestream ever.

Buttercream.

@endurancefun: That guy just said there are misogynists in the comments section, which isn't an unfair thing to say. He never mentioned anyone specifically >_>

But it IS the comments section on a video game website, and I totally understand the urge to make a short "fuck you assholes" comment rather than spend time putting together something more meaningful.

Danny B is AWESOME, totally cool dude.

Why is it that with women the first thing that is attacked is their looks simply put it works just like the first thing attacked with a man is their manhood.

If you are trying to hurt someone's feeling I do what works.

I learned something about Ryan that I could have lived the rest of my life just fine not knowing.

Why is it that with women the first thing that is attacked is their looks simply put it works just like the first thing attacked with a man is their manhood.

If you are trying to hurt someone's feeling I do what works.

Lol, the way Jared was shaking his ass in front of the camera raises some questions.

Stop coming to this website.

This is the first time I have seen Robert Ashley in the flesh. The first time I heard him was on Rebel FM being, just foul.

I cant comprehend such foul things coming out of a guy who looks so nice.

@phished0ne: Dude, pretty sure Phil Fish was joking about that. It's a silly twitter comment. If Ryan tweeted that of course you would see it as a joke. Also, I don't think he was able to talk about any other version of the game because of his contract with Microsoft. And he probably didn't even want to hint at other versions because he might not have been sure if he would actually do them and didn't want to discourage people from buying the game on 360. Even if none of that is true there is nothing wrong with changing your mind.

Ryan revealing a weird ass (no pun intended) fetish, wtf is going on?

Phil Fish actually came off as a very chill, cool guy, which surprised me. Also, having Carrie on reminded me of the old days.

lol, he didn't generalize "about an entire race of people." He said he didn't like the kind of game design that is prevalent in Japan. Nothing wrong with that. It's okay to not like a style common to one area. It's okay to not like the common design philosophies in eastern European games for instance, or to not like Italian architecture.

Also, that is not the definition of racism. Racism is believing one race is superior to another or hating a particular race. What Phil said was more of a stereotype. There is a serious difference.

ROBERT ASHLEY, FUCK YEAH

This might be Giant Bomb's greatest video. Insightful and hilarious.

What the fuck is the name of that whistling music!? I totally forgot about it from previous streams and this brought it back. I MUST KNOW!

Awesome video.

awesome show. can't wait for E3!

People like these make me forget about the bad shit in the world....(gamer for life)

Man, that cake story....Hi-la-rious! This was a great show.

Nah. I'll continue to come thank you very much. Feel free to keep on white knighting though. ^_^

It's probably not me perceiving anything real but I've just been noticing of late that the content on the site has been as great as always but comments have been getting assy. Again, hard to say why that is or where that really comes from without sitting down and doing the analysis but it strikes me as odd whenever I'm seeing comments sections progress as they are when I felt the content ranges from fine to downright wonderful. Probably was always the case, just noticing it more.

@fizzylift said:

Phil Fish did not defend his critically acclaimed "gimmick of a game" during this video. In fact, he barely mentioned it.

As for the rest of your gimmick of a comment, I would advise you that you're probably on the wrong website.

Jeff....you sly dog.

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Absolutely fantastic and inspiring stream. The audio talk, the vomit story, the cake story, the touchy feely stuff; all great to hear. I've been taking my first steps into game development and I really hope to someday be a part of this grander community.

For the few of you who want to blindly hate and judge the people present here, I can only feel sorry for you. There was nothing but love in that room~

Patrick laughing at his dumptruck thing

Paul Barnett just brings a smile to my face. What a charming guy.

Carrie is amazing, just letting you all know that,

<p>This is literally....and I genuinely mean literally the most Informative and fucking hilarious video that they have ever put up!</p>

It's crazy to me how no game industry person seems willing to admit that Anita Sarkeesian got so much hate because she promoted sex segregation in public transport, claimed that women should not show affection for their partners because it promotes the idea to other people that "the only thing women needs is men", said that women and men treated as equals is a sexist 'Mrs Male' trope because the woman should be interested in more feminine things like motherhood, said that strong female characters are just trying to be 'Men with Boobs', and that the only merit to an attractive female character is that they're a 'fuck toy' for men to masturbate to.

That's why people are venomous towards her.

If anyone else is interested in hearing a more fair, intelligent, and unbiased viewpoint on Anita's first kickstarter video, I highly recommend this video by KiteTales.

Well, watching about 16 mins in there's a very good reason Anita Sarkeesian got a lot of hate about her kickstarter, it was just going to be her same old nonsense. :\

I like Phil Fish

Did you have a safe word

god, fucking damnit, lost it.

BOBBITO MAX CHILLLLLLLLL

e: lolllll at all the defensive teenage boy dander that's been stirred up with the merest acknowledgment of issues affecting people who aren't them. (I hope you're teenagers. Please be teenagers.)

You mean the Deadly Premonition theme? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OUP_Z3iZPs

@scarycrayons: although I definitely agree with many of the points she makes in this video she is taking a great deal of liberty in respects to expanding the fiction of these characters beyond anything that is actually written into the video games they are a part of.

Phil Fish, you're a pretty alright dude. Also, Fez rocked. You did say some dumb stuff, though. Glad you've decided to cuddle up to Ryan instead. That's a way better dumb thing to do. <3

How was he beyond rude? He said "your games suck."

That's definitely rude, but it's hardly anything more than that. It's not like he gave the guy the finger while he was saying it.

And you must be the first person in history to compare Fez to GTA IV. Truly Bizarre. It really doesn't help your case that you can't think of a better rebuttal than that.

You don't trust the gaming press on "these sort of matters"? So you don't trust the gaming press on games?! How do you decide which games to buy? Maybe you just buy every game in existence and then review them all yourself or something... I highly doubt it. I suspect that, like most of the rest of us, you actually do pay attention to what the gaming press say and you adjust your purchasing patterns accordingly. If you are somehow above that process, you probably end up buying a lot of shitty games and wasting a lot of money. The point of the gaming press is that it's diverse. You find writers you like, who have a taste in games that matches, or approximates, your own and you roll with it. There is no singular entity called "the gaming press" that has one opinion about everything. That's why it's remarkable when games receive near-universal acclaim (like Fez did).

To summarize, your comments sound pretty reductive. I suspect that your actual (reductive) reasoning goes something like this: "I like Japanese games and Phil Fish said mean stuff about a thing that I like and insulted my personal taste. I can't ignore this totally meaningless slight, so I'm going to have a disproportionate reaction to this thing that doesn't matter at all."

Funnily enough, Phil Fish himself compares the two in Indie Game: The Movie.

"1000 people, 5 years"

Well, yeah, but only to say that it's not surprising that a game being made by two people (versus one being made by 1,000 people) is taking a long time to make. He's not comparing them qualitatively.

@a_beluga_whale: I concede to that, but you're moving the goalposts slightly from just a comparison.

It's unfortunate that being a shitty fucking person isn't a bannable offence Videos like this always bring out the scummiest of the scum.

What, he was my favorite part I was super bummed when he left. He by far has the most interesting and thought out perspective of any game related subject.

True enough. My original statement was overly general. What I meant was looking at Fez qualitatively though the lens of how good or bad GTA "really" is is totally ridiculous and has nothing to do with whether or not Phil Fish has created something worthwhile.

What does liking/not liking GTA IV have to do with Fez being worthwhile or not? Nothing. That was my only point.

@a_beluga_whale: Good point. Though I do find even the comparison Phil made about development, the simplification down to a pure number of developers and man hours, quite an illuminating display of ignorance. He has a bad case of foot-in-mouth syndrome.

However, he's good fun. The best personalities usually are the most divisive.