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GDC 2013: After Hours Livestream Spectacular - Part 02

It's the last night of GDC and things get stupid. But then they get real. Then they get stupid again.

Mar. 29 2013

Cast: Ryan

Posted by: Drew

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@prestonhedges said:

@siroptimusprime said:

@nadril said:

So why don't people like Phil Fish? I must have missed some sort of internet outrage or something, because he seemed like a pretty cool and interesting dude.

Because he said Japanese game design/business is stagnating (which it is) and people the internet heard racism.

You can't generalize about an entire race of people and say, "That's not racist." That's literally the definition of racism. He is a racist. End of story.

lol, he didn't generalize "about an entire race of people." He said he didn't like the kind of game design that is prevalent in Japan. Nothing wrong with that. It's okay to not like a style common to one area. It's okay to not like the common design philosophies in eastern European games for instance, or to not like Italian architecture.

Also, that is not the definition of racism. Racism is believing one race is superior to another or hating a particular race. What Phil said was more of a stereotype. There is a serious difference.

He said Japanese video games suck. How is that not generalizing about an entire race of people? It's almost exactly like saying all video games made by black people suck. It's racist. He is a racist. There is no arguing the point.

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Man, so many comments.

People discussing racism and sexism and all that jazz on a video game website. About video games!

And of course, everyone thinks only they are right.

Gotta love some of dat, mmmh.

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Guy with yellow socks can't talk and open his eyes at the same time.

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@a_beluga_whale: Good point. Though I do find even the comparison Phil made about development, the simplification down to a pure number of developers and man hours, quite an illuminating display of ignorance. He has a bad case of foot-in-mouth syndrome.

However, he's good fun. The best personalities usually are the most divisive.

Exactly. He sometimes says things that make me shake my head and wonder where his tact went, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible person. It's just odd that the internet at large reads two sentences that he's said and decides that he's the worst person ever. It's so childish.

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@prestonhedges said:

@thegorilla said:

@prestonhedges said:

@siroptimusprime said:

@nadril said:

So why don't people like Phil Fish? I must have missed some sort of internet outrage or something, because he seemed like a pretty cool and interesting dude.

Because he said Japanese game design/business is stagnating (which it is) and people the internet heard racism.

You can't generalize about an entire race of people and say, "That's not racist." That's literally the definition of racism. He is a racist. End of story.

lol, he didn't generalize "about an entire race of people." He said he didn't like the kind of game design that is prevalent in Japan. Nothing wrong with that. It's okay to not like a style common to one area. It's okay to not like the common design philosophies in eastern European games for instance, or to not like Italian architecture.

Also, that is not the definition of racism. Racism is believing one race is superior to another or hating a particular race. What Phil said was more of a stereotype. There is a serious difference.

He said Japanese video games suck. How is that not generalizing about an entire race of people? It's almost exactly like saying all video games made by black people suck. It's racist. He is a racist. There is no arguing the point.

Interesting that you completely ignored my response earlier. I'll rephrase it again. He's generalizing about an industry, not about people. Businesses are not people. You can't be racist against a group of corporations. If I told you American cars suck, or Chilean cheese sucks, or Chinese umbrellas suck, would that be racist? If your answer is yes, then you need to read a book or two because you have no concept of what racism is. Saying japanese games suck is no different than any of the other things I just mentioned. It's not racist at all.

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This was awesome. Thanks for being awesome, Giant Bomb and guests!

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Man, this whole "videogame interview dumptruck har har har" joke is getting old. it wasnt that funny in the first place, and just like everything with Klepek, gets hammered into the fucking ground repeatedly.

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That Mark of the Ninja dude at the end really loves to talk with his hands...

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You can sense that Phil Fish is an extremely talented, smart person

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He said Japanese video games suck. How is that not generalizing about an entire race of people?

Because video games aren't people. He is of the opinion that Japanese-developed games suck. He is not discriminating against Japanese people, he's merely making a general (maybe too general) statement about Japanese-developed games.

If I hated Mexican food that would not make me a racist.

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Hopefully someone sees this, but is there anywhere in here where they talk about the MGS5 trailer? I would be extremely interested to hear some talk about it

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Is it me or did they really came to the conclusion that "as long as people disagree with me, i must be right"?

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Ryan's cake story has scarred me for life.

I just don't know if life is worth it anymore...


It is due to Barnett's puke stories, even it out.

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A load of cool guests! I love the Mythic crew, hope they come by more often.

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Does that dude from mojang have a year walk tattoo on his hand? 1.32.20

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The "a life well wasted" guy is pretty snobby - i like the podcast though.

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You guys are all going on about sexism, racism, bigotry and general ignorance in video games, but there's one thing that sticks out to me as really, really wrong...

Ryan made me realise I want to sit on a cake as well.

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The way Ryan manhandles Phil Fish at the end... too funny.

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ok ok....

Someone please explain the IGN LIVE E3 2013 was all about?

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"One of those games that was just words"

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@isomeri said:

"One of those games that was just words"

That cracked me up. You know he put it that way to try to get a rise out of him.

I really like Phil Fish. He's outspoken but clearly thinks very deeply about what games have been, are, and will be and their power to transcend what they've been historically classified as. He's a compelling personality.

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I don't know how I feel about a bunch of dudes telling women what they can and can't be. That just seems extremely sexist to me. If a woman wants to dance in a cage at E3, that's her decision.

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ok ok....

Someone please explain the IGN LIVE E3 2013 was all about?

Phil Fish accidentally referred to GDC as E3, or almost did, so he then wrote a sign that got everything wrong as a banner for what was happening.

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I appreciated the commentary from Carrie (don't know the last name). It amuses me that the people who tend to be most arsed and outraged about "diversity" lately are white dudes.

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@l4wd0g: Agreed. I paid good money to touch those painted tits!

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Lot of bigotry apologia in here.

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With no offence intended, every time the dump truck and beep beep are or have been brought up lately, I'm immediately and unwillingly reminded of the scene in Arrested Development where George Michael carries on the 'bring a daughter to work' joke way longer than anyone else is willing to.

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@prestonhedges said:

He said Japanese video games suck. How is that not generalizing about an entire race of people?

Because video games aren't people. He is of the opinion that Japanese-developed games suck. He is not discriminating against Japanese people, he's merely making a general (maybe too general) statement about Japanese-developed games.

If I hated Mexican food that would not make me a racist.

Exactly.

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@pulledabrad: To be fair, Ryan, and everyone else, were the ones who kind of pushed him into it. Patrick just seemed to say, "Ahh, fuck it. I'll roll with this, I guess"

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Phil Fish #1

Fuck the haters

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wait.. notch is a short little blonde kid...

Also the big guy sitting next to the blonde kid are clearly in love.\\

Ok seriously what is up with the dudes sitting in the love seat. (love seat being a two cushion couch, not assuming anything, despite my earlier text. )

all this audio talk. I play most games on mute.

Good story telling in games is great but a game should be fun enough to play for 100 hours. no matter what. If you only played a game for 2 hours than what good is it? I played chu chu rocket a fuck ton. story telling is nothing without good gameplay.

2:26:00 is how I feel about my job.

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Just show me the stupid parts.

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"Who is that thin woman having her back towards the cam- oh, it's just Jared."

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"Who is that thin woman having her back towards the cam- oh, it's just Jared."

Ahaha, I thought the same thing until I saw him in the closing shot, then I was sad that he didn't show up on the couch at all.

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I just wanted to thank you guys for doing stuff like this. I spent the last 5 hours watching both videos back to back, and it was all fantastic! Keep it up!

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@l4wd0g: Agreed. I paid good money to touch those painted tits!

I guess, if women are just boobs to you. But that sounds like it's your problem not hers.

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I love this website.

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I wish Carrie were on GB more often, what an awesome friggen lady.

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Sorry for the really bad mspaint fork there. EAT NOTCH!!!

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Sorry for the really bad mspaint fork there. EAT NOTCH!!!

Is it bad that I thought of Biggie Smalls from Dark Souls upon seeing those two together?

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that got really weird fast at the end.

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I don't get the Phil Fish hate, just people being snobs I guess. He was rather refreshing.

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Sorry, I can't dedicated 3 hours of my time to watch this.

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Words can't express how happy I was to hear Carrie make basically the same exact point that most of the thoughtful critics of Patrick's articles were making all throughout the last year whenever sexism is brought up... who were then basically dismissed as horrible sexists. But a woman they know said it to their faces so that's what makes it credible and reliable.

Some users around here don't get the credit they deserve.

@pulledabrad said:

Man, this whole "videogame interview dumptruck har har har" joke is getting old. it wasnt that funny in the first place, and just like everything with Klepek, gets hammered into the fucking ground repeatedly.

I seriously thought I was the only one getting tired of that joke until I read through these comments. I don't feel so crazy now. It was worth a chuckle at first and an interesting "what will people think of my interviews if it's named this?" question, but it has literally been mentioned as a dumb joke in almost every single time I've heard Patrick make an appearance since before PAX. Maddening.

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I don't get the Phil Fish hate, just people being snobs I guess. He was rather refreshing.

lol you've heard the shit out of this guy's mouth, right?

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I love Phil Fish - he's the sort of person I admire for his crazy almost auteur-like quality. I see him kind of like Hideo Kojima, Kanye West or David Jaffe where they're amazing at their craft and can pull of some really amazing things that can have a lasting impact, but they're a little bit crazy.\

This series of GDC/Pax videos were really fun - I loved every minute of it. Keep on truckin' guys - love what you're doing. Though, that pie flushing video was a bit much.

Anyway, Jeff and Carrie should just get married.

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Pauls stories are always the most amazing thing ever.

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@l4wd0g said:

@sisyphean said:

@l4wd0g: Agreed. I paid good money to touch those painted tits!

I guess, if women are just boobs to you. But that sounds like it's your problem not hers.

Your face is just boobs.

*squeeze*