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Persona PSP Breakdown

Atlus walks you through the different features of its upcoming Persona remake.

Jul. 31 2009

Posted by: Jeff

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Revelations: Persona

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@LordAndrew said:
" @guiseppe said:
" @ashogo said:
" @guiseppe said:
" Did I understand it correctly that the only version that will have voiced CG-cutscenes is the North American one? "
Yup. The JP version only had text subtitles-kind of weird. "
Well I'm swedish so I guess I'm screwed too then. I'll proibably get it anyway though. "
You're pretty much screwed anyway since there's no guarantee the game will even come out in your region.But if it does, I'm sure the localization would be based on the North American version instead of the Japanese one. Why bother re-translating into English when there's already an English translation?The additional European languages could potentially cause problems though. Do UMDs have the capacity for multiple voice tracks? "
As long as I get the basic NA version, I'll be happy.  I didn't know that it might not come out here, I just figured it would since Persona 3 and 4 did.  I wouldn't want any game to be translated into swedish because I've played games that has done that and it ruins the experience.
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@LordAndrew said:
" @FluxWaveZ said:
" He called Persona's SP; Skill Points but I thought in Persona 3 and 4 they were called Spirit Points.  Meh. "
Were they? I don't recall SP being named at all in those games, other than being called SP. "
I'm not sure if it's mentioned in-game, but I'm checking page 28 of the Persona 3 FES manual and they refer to SP as Spirit Points.
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@The_A_Drain said:
" @Zeik: I know how localisation works you burk. I also know that nobody ever localizes for Europe anyway, they simply assume that adding in deutch is enough, nobody ever does anything ontop of that.  "
Atlus isn't a big-budget publisher. Atlus USA translates games from Japanese to English. Translating into multiple languages and releasing in a decent timeframe is no doubt a much more difficult task. I'm not sure Atlus has the resources for that. Bigger companies like Square Enix can probably do a much better job. So given the option, why wouldn't they?

Look at most of the titles Atlus USA publishes. Most of them come from developers that probably can't afford to set up shop in North America. So Atlus USA handles it. Would I prefer if they did have a presence in North America? Sure, but it's probably not very practical for them.
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@The_A_Drain said:
And like I said, you don't need to open a whole localisation branch, you simply stick the US release out onto the EU market like everybody else does.
You clearly don't know what goes into localizing a game if you think it's as simple as just throwing it out on the market. Localizing a game consists of much more than merely translating it, putting it on a disk, and then selling it to people. 3 people alone would not actually be able to get the game out in any reasonable amount of time, even without having to actually translate the game themselves.
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@Zeik:

I'm not talking specifically about Atlus USA you ignorant dolt. I'm talking about Atlus PERIOD.

And like I said, you don't need to open a whole localisation branch, you simply stick the US release out onto the EU market like everybody else does. I do understand how these things work, and I understand that Atlus don't see the profit in doing it because there games simply don't sell well in Europe. Unfortunately, I couldnt fucking care less. I want their fantastic products, but between them and Sony they have made it utterly impossible for me to get them without pirating, or giving my money to some eBay scumbag who wants 3x the price.
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Persuading is way more "social" than social linking. All social linking is is you finding someone with an exclamation point over their head and listening to their woe story. In persuasion, you actually conduct a conversation in complete control of your responses. Maybe a little too much for people who think sitting through ten minutes of "wah momma died" and making one choice is a "sim", as opposed to making like 4 choices instantaneously with a variety of consequences. Go back to your cut-scenes and pretend you're playing a game, this isn't for you.

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@The_A_Drain said:
" @Zeik: bottom line is it's still that company, and if they stopped giving away free shit all the time maybe they could afford to actually release the games over here. You can still organise a release with 3 people, heck even less you don't need a Europe branch to organise a release that can be done from anywhere "
You say you understand, and yet this clearly shows you have absolutely no idea. Atlus USA not giving out bonuses would not suddenly mean that they could open up a branch in Europe. That's absolutely absurd.
Just because Atlus USA has connections to the main company in Japan does not mean they have any control over what they actually do there. Really the only thing that makes Atlus USA a part of Atlus is that they get first rights to localize anything Atlus makes. Outside of that they're basically a completely separate company.

They have absolutely no control, whatsoever, over what happens with European releases. None. Zero. Nothing they do has any affect on whether a game will be localized there.

You can bitch and moan all you want if it makes you feel better, but it won't change anything, as you're bitching to the completely wrong people.
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@ChrisTaran:

Unfortunately due to an import restriction Sony imposed to stop people getting a PS3 in Europe early (we had to wait 6 months after the Us release) import retailers will now no longer ship any officially licensed Sony products to anywhere in Europe.

Fortunately I was able to get Devil Summoner 2 as the PS2 is an open platform now and the game didnt need to be sony licensed. But this is a no go unfortunately.
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Just because Persona 3 added the sim elements doesn't automatically make P3/4 better.  The combat, along with the contact system, and even the atmosphere, are just so different between P1/2 and P3/4 that drawing too many comparisons between the two doesn't seem entirely fair to me.

I would guess that Persona 4 is the best of the five games (yes, five), but the original Persona is so different from P3/P4 that you need to give it a fair shake, despite its lack of sim stuff.

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@Zeik:

I know how localisation works you burk. I also know that nobody ever localizes for Europe anyway, they simply assume that adding in deutch is enough, nobody ever does anything ontop of that. Almost all games take the US localization and simply apply all the appropriatte labels and chuck it out on shelves.

I'm still allowed to be pissed at a branch of a company who is fucking me over I don't care what you say, bottom line is it's still that company, and if they stopped giving away free shit all the time maybe they could afford to actually release the games over here. You can still organise a release with 3 people, heck even less you don't need a Europe branch to organise a release that can be done from anywhere.

I don't care if someone combs through it spelling all the words properly, nobody ever does that for Europe anyway like I said, they just use the US localization. I just want the fucking opportunity to give them real monies for their product instead of fart arsing about on eBay because all the importers are too scared of Sony to send licensed product to Europe.
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@The_A_Drain: I can understand your anger, I know I'd be pissed if Atlus wasn't publishing consistently in the US. 

As far as importing, I'm not sure which country you live in, but I'm fairly certain Play-Asia ships to at least the UK and Germany. Try looking into them. I've bought things from them in the past and they're a trusted online retailer.
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@The_A_Drain:  Then you obviously do not understand how game localization works, especially when it comes to Atlus. Atlus USA isn't merely the US branch of Atlus, they're basically their own localization company. They localize games from all kinds of different companies, as they would never be able to support themselves on the few games that Atlus releases a year alone.

There's no branch in Europe because they don't have the money to be able to just open a branch anywhere they please. If you would like to fund the opening of an Atlus branch in Europe then I'm sure they would not oppose, but otherwise there's nothing you can do about it.

Also I know for a fact that there are still sites out there that ship to Europe, as I have a friend in Europe who imports regularly.
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@FluxWaveZ said:
" He called Persona's SP; Skill Points but I thought in Persona 3 and 4 they were called Spirit Points.  Meh. "
Were they? I don't recall SP being named at all in those games, other than being called SP.
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@ChrisTaran:

Nobody publishes Atlus games in Europe regularly, that's why i'm pissed off. Duhhh. Atlus USA, Atlus JP, who fucking cares? It's still Atlus and they've neglected Europe forever. They do have a Europe office but it consists of 3 guys, I imagine all they do is deal with licensing deals to the occasional person who wants to publish one of their games in Europe (like Square of Keoi or Nintendo)

My point still stands though, I don't care what branch of the company is doing what, this day and age there is no excuse for continually dicking Europe around like this.
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@The_A_Drain said:
" How about instead of fucking about giving away free stuff, you actually bother to release in Europe?!!?
Atlus does not have a branch in Europe. This localization is done by Atlus USA, they only handle releases in the US. They have no control over how or when the game is released anywhere else.
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@The_A_Drain: This is Atlus U.S.A. doing this release. Not Atlus Europe (if that even exists?) Don't get pissed off at the North American arm of the company for not doing something it has any involvement in.  Complain to whoever publishes Atlus games in Europe.
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How about instead of fucking about giving away free stuff, you actually bother to release in Europe?!!?

Don't get me wrong, I love what you do for your customers, but i'm getting a might pissed off being totally fucking ignored and having to rely on Square-Enix to bring your games to me.

And no, I can't import it because sony are assholes, websites will NOT import to Europe after threats of legal action after the PS3 fiasco. There is no way for me to get this game unless you release it here, so fi you're not gonna bother, fuck you Atlus. You clearly only love North America.

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@Track said:
" Why the HELL are they remaking the FIRST Persona game? And not even with better graphics. Only the FF games can be remade these days and actually be worthy of playing. This game is NOT what I am looking for after playing Persona 4. "
Ignoring the idiocy of that statement, Persona 1 desperately needed a remake. The original US release was a complete abomination, it's practically unplayable by today's standards, especially with P3 and P4's great localizations. If this game was only a flat port with a new localization that alone would make it more worthwhile than any Final Fantasy remake out there.

Then there's the fact that they updated stuff like the UI and the overworld map, both of which were very clunky in the original version, which makes the new release much more enjoyable to play. (Especially the new map. My god that is a godsend, as the original map was horrible.)
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He called Persona's SP; Skill Points but I thought in Persona 3 and 4 they were called Spirit Points.  Meh.

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Can not wait to play this! My most looked forward to game of the year!
<3 Atlus

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I'd like to try it, but since I started my adventure with the Persona games with P4 and then went to P3, I'm afraid I'd play the first Persona thinking "God, they made it so much better in the next installments" and never get to fully appreciate the game. Also, I grew on the P4 characters so much it was very hard for me to play P3 and feel for the new/old guys and I had too much fun from Social Links in both to give up them.

Still, I'd played both P3 and P4 like centuries ago, so I'll probably make my girlfriend buy Persona for PSP before getting them on the PS3.

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Nice.

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My first experience was the series was with Persona 3. I'm definitely interested in seeing the series' origins, and how the gameplay differs.

Plus, Atlus USA continues to pump out totally sick packages. Two soundtrack CDs packed in with a PSP game. That's how awesome they are.

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@Track: This game is actually a lot of what Persona fans did want out of Persona 3 and 4. The removal of things like demon negotiations really hurt for some fans of the series.

Don't you at least want to see what Persona was like before Persona 3? I'm a huge fan of Persona 3 and 4, and I sure do.
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I'm shocked to see all the negative responses. I'm looking forward to it, and it's nice to see Atlus putting some marketing into it.

You have to remember, despite the fancy new interface and presentation, this is still technically an early Playstation RPG. Nostalgia goggles are firmly applied.

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@guiseppe said:
" @ashogo said:
" @guiseppe said:
" Did I understand it correctly that the only version that will have voiced CG-cutscenes is the North American one? "
Yup. The JP version only had text subtitles-kind of weird. "
Well I'm swedish so I guess I'm screwed too then. I'll proibably get it anyway though. "
You're pretty much screwed anyway since there's no guarantee the game will even come out in your region.
But if it does, I'm sure the localization would be based on the North American version instead of the Japanese one. Why bother re-translating into English when there's already an English translation?

The additional European languages could potentially cause problems though. Do UMDs have the capacity for multiple voice tracks?
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@Track said:
" Why the HELL are they remaking the FIRST Persona game? And not even with better graphics. Only the FF games can be remade these days and actually be worthy of playing. This game is NOT what I am looking for after playing Persona 4. "
Please leave.
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@Track: Saying that only FF games can be remade and worth playing is ignorant fanboy talk.  Giant Bomb deserves better than that sort of nonsense.

Persona is a classic that a lot of people missed out on and Atlus are doing a great thing by remaking it with so many tweaks and upgrades.
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Why the HELL are they remaking the FIRST Persona game? And not even with better graphics. Only the FF games can be remade these days and actually be worthy of playing. This game is NOT what I am looking for after playing Persona 4.

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No social aspect = not for me. Too bad.

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I stopped the video when he said "more random encounters, less experience".

No thanks @ grinding. Also where's the searchable fusion database found in Devil Survivor?

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I wanna say this looks interesting...but I can´t....and oh, the dude in the yellow hat looks like a real freak.

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@Deusoma said:
"Yow, this looks awful."

This.
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In addition to their own weapons, everybody has guns? Sweet!

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whats with the terrible audio?

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@ashogo said:
" @guiseppe said:
" Did I understand it correctly that the only version that will have voiced CG-cutscenes is the North American one? "
Yup. The JP version only had text subtitles-kind of weird. "
Well I'm swedish so I guess I'm screwed too then. I'll proibably get it anyway though.
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@guiseppe said:
" Did I understand it correctly that the only version that will have voiced CG-cutscenes is the North American one? "
Yup. The JP version only had text subtitles-kind of weird.
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Did I understand it correctly that the only version that will have voiced CG-cutscenes is the North American one?

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Totally looks worth a buy with all the improvements they made.

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Not to nitpick, though, but the idea that they went back and re-examined persuading and DIDNT add a feature so that the game remembers persuasion patterns you've attempted already is kinda ridic. The reason it was hard to manage to begin with was because they expected you to memorize the combos even after figuring the good ones out, which is so crazy and unnecessary when you consider the shear number of combos there are between persuasion tactics and demon personalities.

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S-s-snow queen quest!?

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Ugh, okay, uncle, uncle.  I'll preorder it already.  I even preordered the deluxe edition of Demon Souls.  How much more of my money do you demand Atlus?!  Leave me alone and make Persona 5 already goddamnit!!

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Yeah...I still need to pre-order this.

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He can *cough hitler and cockdemon cough* when Innocent Sin gets its remake.

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This game was the number one reason I got a PSP. I hope they remake Persona 2: Innocent Sin for the PSP as well. Hell, remake both Persona 2 games. That'd be sweet!

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Oh hey, a pre date sim Persona.

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Looks really cool...too bad i don't own a psp

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I like this already.

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I played it on PSX way back when it came out in 1996, it was pretty cool given it was then a fresh concept to not be in typical fantasy settings and contrivances.  Remember folks, this came out before FF7, so before this the last RPG most had played was Beyond the Beyond or something on the SNES.  Having dudes in a contemporary setting with machine guns instead of swords in a forest was unheard of in a console RPG at the time (unless you played imports).  And all the occult stuff was something new as well, the last game that made it to the West with occult themes was Arcana for the SNES, and that was basically a card game.

I never cared for the negotiating bit, it just felt like a big hassle on top of the already tough combat and lengthy exploration.  It's clear in this version they're admitting to make some of that less painful, but I actually stopped playing because it just took too long to get anywhere and I eventually forgot what i was doing in the game.  The fact that Suikoden, FF7, and Breath of Fire III came along didn't help either.

I may pick it up, I still have the old Die-Hard Gamefan strategy guide for it, I wonder if it will still be accurate.  This was back when anime was still widely unknown to all but the nerdiest, and games would get gutted to remove any connection to Japan in fear of not connecting with Western audiences.  In fact Persona was one of the last games to suffer that practice, since FF7 created a huge swell of interest in Japanese pop culture and made it all less foreign, allowing companies like Atlus and ASCII to start releasing games with very little localization - even to the point of leaving in the Japanese dialogue - something that was taboo until then.  So you could say it's a landmark of gaming that Atlus wants to rectify by doing it the justice it deserved back then.

Now where's Space Griffin for PSP?