I agree. FO3 didn't look paticularly nice in the graphics department when it came out but it was acceptable. New Vegas just looks outright ugly.

" If graphics are going to limit your enjoyment of a game, I genuinely feel sorry for you. "

Who cares?

" Who cares? "

" @Mmmslash said:

" If graphics are going to limit your enjoyment of a game, I genuinely feel sorry for you. "

I just got done playing a game of Quake 3, and I think that game still looks great, but looking at the animations and graphics... and colour palette of Fallout New Vegas, it doesn't look like a place I want to spend 50 hours in.  As a role playing game where I'm supposed to pretend I'm a character in that world, it's not inviting at all. "

" @ComradeKritstov said:

" Who cares? "

In a game where "story" matter, the level of nuance and detail plays a big part in selling the scope of the story, and selling the world. So yes, if you don't care about immersion or story at all in this RPG with a crappy battle system, good for you. You're in the "who cares" camp. "

" @ryanwho said:

" @ComradeKritstov said:

" Who cares? "

In a game where "story" matter, the level of nuance and detail plays a big part in selling the scope of the story, and selling the world. So yes, if you don't care about immersion or story at all in this RPG with a crappy battle system, good for you. You're in the "who cares" camp. "

You don't need to have amazing graphics to have immersion or a good story... "

Eh it's not like engine age plays into anything, look at Steam. 
 
The game looks fine graphically, it's not like it needs to push the graphical envelope to be a good game. 

" @ryanwho said:

" @ComradeKritstov said:

" Who cares? "

In a game where "story" matter, the level of nuance and detail plays a big part in selling the scope of the story, and selling the world. So yes, if you don't care about immersion or story at all in this RPG with a crappy battle system, good for you. You're in the "who cares" camp. "

You don't need to have amazing graphics to have immersion or a good story. "

Man I can't wait to play New Vegas.

I'd rather have more content than polished mission specific animations. 

Well, just think about how much longer it would take to produce a whole new engine. And they couldn't just use an already existing engine, because people would go bananas for it not being the amazing and sometimes messed up Bethesda Oblivion/Fallout engine. And yes, there are also a few assets that seemed to have been decreased, but its solely because it will increase other, more important factors. 

Oh. 
 
 
It's one of these threads.

I don't think the graphics are going set the world on fire... but they will suffice. 

" I don't think the graphics are going set the world on fire... but they will suffice.  "

It's the same engine as fallout 3...I don't play games because they look pretty, I play them cause they're fun. This one seems to have improved a lot of the gameplay faults of the first (better companion AI and shooting, more perks, quests, stuff to do) so I don't care.

" Oh. 
 
 
It's one of these threads. "

If it's running on some modified graphics engine from Oblivion, which was a beefed up engine from Morrowind....well you could see why it might be showing its age. 
 
On the positive side, if you get enough die-hard fans to mod the crap out of it you could get it to look better eventually :P 
 
I know my Oblivion looks incredible with QTP3 and other texture/LOD enhancements.

In context the graphics are fine, compared to anything else they are complete crap.

" Eh it's not like engine age plays into anything, look at Steam. "

" @DOUBLESHOCK said:

" @Mmmslash said:

" If graphics are going to limit your enjoyment of a game, I genuinely feel sorry for you. "

I just got done playing a game of Quake 3, and I think that game still looks great, but looking at the animations and graphics... and colour palette of Fallout New Vegas, it doesn't look like a place I want to spend 50 hours in.  As a role playing game where I'm supposed to pretend I'm a character in that world, it's not inviting at all. "

I wasn't aware that the amount of fun a game can offer is directly proportionate to the amount of polygons and bitmapping. "

w/e 
i can wait for some mods

It looks just like Fallout 3, which was good enough for me. Also, from what I've seen, the strip looks a lot better during the nighttime. 
 
I can't wait to play this, and I probably won't be able to buy it until thursday D:

i don't mind the graphics.. i just dont like the game engine.. it feels kindda janky..

If it makes a super mutants head soar through the Mojave desert sky I'll be happy. Considering the scope of the game I'm happy it looks decent enough. 

There just aren't enough people in Vegas. I know it's post-apocalypse, but come on. Just watched a stream where he went a club and there were like eight strippers dancing and no one watching.

" There just aren't enough people in Vegas. I know it's post-apocalypse, but come on. Just watched a stream where he went a club and there were like eight strippers dancing and no one watching. "

But the future fallout games will look amazing, because Bethesda purchased ID ( John Carmack's Company), which is making a huge game called Rage; which uses a very impressive graphics engine. Bethesda/Obsidian just needs to modify that engine to do Fallout gameplay, or somehow mix the two engines and they have instant GREAT SUCCESS. Rage itself is a post-apocalyptic themed game so I would say it is perfect for Fallout. "

" @ComradeKritstov said:

" @ryanwho said:

" @ComradeKritstov said:

" Who cares? "

In a game where "story" matter, the level of nuance and detail plays a big part in selling the scope of the story, and selling the world. So yes, if you don't care about immersion or story at all in this RPG with a crappy battle system, good for you. You're in the "who cares" camp. "

You don't need to have amazing graphics to have immersion or a good story. "

No, i think Fallout 1 and 2 showed us that.  "

" @pornstorestiffi said:

" @ComradeKritstov said:

" @ryanwho said:

" @ComradeKritstov said:

" Who cares? "

In a game where "story" matter, the level of nuance and detail plays a big part in selling the scope of the story, and selling the world. So yes, if you don't care about immersion or story at all in this RPG with a crappy battle system, good for you. You're in the "who cares" camp. "

You don't need to have amazing graphics to have immersion or a good story. "

No, i think Fallout 1 and 2 showed us that.  "

By having cutting edge graphics for the time? I agree. Fallout 1 and 2 showed what attention to detail can do to immerse you in a world.   Oh but you're talking about discovering those games 2 years ago and playing them. Cute. "

"...PS2 graphics..."
 
Sometimes it's very difficult to take anyone on here seriously. The graphics in New Vegas probably aren't going to be winning awards, but I don't know anyone who was expecting them to. It's not like we're just finding out that NV is using the same engine as Fallout 3 and Oblivion, after all. Fallout 3 looked great at the time, just as Oblivion looked great when it was released in 2006. 
 
To me, Fallout 3 still looks good. Sure, the animations aren't top notch, but this idea that for a game to be worth playing it must be cutting edge at every level is just silly. New Vegas will look good, and that will be enough. There's entirely too much whining going on about it. Compared to many new games coming out, New Vegas looks as good or better than most. Frankly, I'd rather them focus on delivering good content. I'd take a game with lots of great content over a game that was merely good looking every time.

 "...PS2 graphics..."     
 
More like PS One graphics :/

I don't care at all.
 
If you're going to sit there and say graphics have ANYTHING TO DO WITH QUALITY, why don't you go ahead and abolish everything made more than 5 years ago.

Yeah people don't care about graphics, they just happen to be getting better for no reason at all. People are funneling millions into a facet of design "real gamers" don't care about even a little bit. Yep. Jackass.

Agreed on the animations.  It's something that has bugged me with Bethesda games since Morrowind.  They just can't seem to do 3D animation worth a damn compared to their competition.  It doesn't kill the game by any means, but D-AMN are they generally bad at it.

" Yeah people don't care about graphics, they just happen to be getting better for no reason at all. People are funneling millions into a facet of design "real gamers" don't care about even a little bit. Yep. Jackass. "

Not concerned at all. If it's still fun to blow people's heads off in the wasteland then nothing else matters.

Mario games are regularly the highest selling games for the respective console and they also happen to be the best looking games for the console. Not a factor. They really could have kept it Mario 1 level and got the same numbers.
The best selling movie of all time is also the most graphic intensive movie of all time. Not a factor. 
When there's a PC version of a game, they show the maxed out PC version of the game in previews and trailers. Including with this game. But its not a factor. 
Reality sides with you, friend. 

" Mario games are regularly the highest selling games for the respective console and they also happen to be the best looking games for the console. Not a factor. They really could have kept it Mario 1 level and got the same numbers.The best selling movie of all time is also the most graphic intensive movie of all time. Not a factor. When there's a PC version of a game, they show the maxed out PC version of the game in previews and trailers. Including with this game. But its not a factor. Reality sides with you, friend.  "

When a game is geared around visual storytelling, as the devs have said it is on multiple occasions, its not shallow to suggest it would be a better game if they spent more time on the visuals. Now take a vicadin and calm down.

"  "...PS2 graphics..."      More like PS One graphics :/ "

" @haggis: Your view is completely fair. Im just saying people who act like they don't care at all about graphics are lying to themselves, and if I check their history they probably shat on the Wii for graphics more than once. Especially in a game full of visual storytelling like this, graphics are a factor. Its not a factor for every game, but it would be here when you consider where they try and excel. "

" When a game is geared around visual storytelling, its not shallow to suggest it would be a better game if they spent more time on the visuals. Now take a vicadin and calm down. "

Yeah, because he's the one that needs the vicodin.

So suddenly the people who don't care about graphics don't get to have a voice? Okay then.

I'm definitely getting this, but I also think that the screenshots and short videos that I've seen have looked worse than Fallout 3.  Like some people, though, I'm withholding judgment until I see it on my TV.