@andrew2696 said:
@akyho:
Personally, as a fan of the Gorillaz, I think people would find it weird because of the vocals themselves are being sung by a program. The Gorillaz are voiced by people, just performed by a virtual band. Though you say they have live people but aren't all the songs still played by the Vocaloid program? Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Personally it's not my thing but I can get it, whatever. I'm just saying other people would find that part weird.
The same people who say "who would go see a virtual band" follow up with "you are there to see someone play. What stops them from just throwing up the video and just leaving the stage, with the owners rubbing their hands together and saying those stupid fools are so gullible!".
While it does not stop them, they choose to not do so. Vocaloids when the big stages are just the voices, everything else has a live stage band. I cannot vouch they do not use machines in it how ever if a guitar player can play it they will have one there same with everything. Some songs are synth and some are just impossible (inhumanly made) and that goes with the vocals. Why they are synthetic in somes cases. Secret police song being a prime example.
While yes Gorillaz is more "live" when they did it, it sort of becomes how people feel about it. Whats the difference between a Synth voice and visual with a live band onstage. In place of Virtual representations of a live band hiding in the dark. Gorrilaz is the closest apparition today of a virtual band while not being.
However cast your mind to decades ago. To a little song called "Sugar, Honey Honey" by the Archies. Which was a band made up by Archie in the Archie cartoon. It became a hit and Archies performed an entire album. Josse and the pussy cats did this and many other saturday morning cartoons did it with variations. While these were still live people doing live music it was all behind a virtual fictional front.
Besides we all know its a matter of time before the "courtesy" of having a live band will go away, just when? Will holographic technology lead the way and leave us with an experience of a show like a Sharon Apple concert from Macross Plus?
Which in this 1995 anime, they explore a virtual Idol. With how could people like it, how can you put emotion into a computer, and people wishing to "kidnap" her, with a dash of "if you make it so real and human....then is it not a sentient being? and what will that sentient being do?" turning to the age old AI discussion.
With the story of two test pilot ex friends trying to out do each other win mech planes. Think anime space Top Gun which makes for an awesome anime.
To go into details of a vocaloid. The music is original compose by random people using the Sega Vocaloid pack, which is a voice (buy voices separately) then a whole range of sound samples you can manipulate (same with the voice but the program is pretty smart about procedurally making the singing) and so people craft a song out of it.
These songs are bounced around forums and boards picking up momentum. Fans make up videos for them and remixes. Sega keeps an ear to the ground and will snatch up the ones that gain popularity. Now when you use the pack you're entering an agreement that anything produced with the pack is property of SEGA. I don't think this means the music per se, meaning you can demo a song with it and make a live band perform it with zero resources from the pack and it will be Kosher.
I would only presume that the creator of the song gets to take a cut or at least paid for the new song if they want to use it for shows and games. The arrangement file are tagged by the owner meaning you always know who originally composed the song and these will flash up during fully official production by Sega.
So there is a lot to a vocaloid.
What about synth music? I love Thomas Dolby and Devo, alot of the sounds they make are not even instruments, played by a Keyboard programmed to play a sample. These people can make a song with anything and then have to back trace in "How can I play this live and not stilt people out of a show....".
Queen has actually done that, my father saw queen live in the 70s. Bohemian Rhapsody was big and so the played it at the show.....well they put up a projection of the music video and left the stage. Why? That first half of that thing is impossible to play live and so they left the stage and came back when it kicked into just being music played by instruments.
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