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#201  Edited By Darji

@darji said:

@abendlaender said:

@darji:

Eff you buddy, I'm not gonna click play on that. That preview picture is enough :P

You should check out his channel and if you believe it or not he is in a "healthy" relationship with a women. Point is people have wired taste or a wired hobby but we should not judge them. As long they are not hurting anyone or comiting some crime everything should be ok. And if you do not like their way of expression you are free to ignore them. That is what freedom of speech means^^

What the hell was the point of the "healthy relationship with a woman" comment? Like that's something that doesn't happen every damn day for anyone here :P

Also, I believe the word you're looking for is "weird" not "wired" right?

I pointed it out because many people think these people with weid hobbies can not get girlfriends or that only men are like that etc. And yeah sorry for the spelling error XD

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#202  Edited By groin

I don't know what a Hatsune Miku is but I find it hilarious that people are mad about it.

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#204  Edited By zeforgotten

@video_game_king said:

@sooty said:

I do find it a negative thing because the people who get overly annoyed by stuff like this, or who are obsessed with anime are incredibly annoying.

Like, I do Japanese and Chinese at university, I cannot get across in words how fucking annoying most of the people in the Japanese classes are, in Chinese however everyone actually seems normal.

When I say Japanophile it is 99.9% of the time just a replacement for "annoying person who likes Japan/Japanese things".

I have heard "nyaa" too many times in real life for one lifetime now.

And this is why I'm so horribly reluctant to say that I enjoy anything Japanese or that I'm studying Japanese. Because I'm fairly certain people are going to call me annoying weeaboo shit for it. (That's coming from somebody who self-identifies the weeaboo part.)

Most people just use nonexistent words to try and insult people who enjoy stuff that the terrible person doesn't understand, no need to worry about that.
Enjoy what you like, anyone giving you shit for it for no reason are the ones who have mental issues.

@darji: If there are still people who actually think that, then it's their loss really. I don't think you explaining it to them will help though, if they already think like that then their brains are probably busted and they lack the required skill to learn something new, so you're just wasting your time on those people :P
And no reason to say sorry, It's just I wasn't sure if you were actually using "wired" in that context I just had to make sure :P

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@sooty said:

I do find it a negative thing because the people who get overly annoyed by stuff like this, or who are obsessed with anime are incredibly annoying.

Like, I do Japanese and Chinese at university, I cannot get across in words how fucking annoying most of the people in the Japanese classes are, in Chinese however everyone actually seems normal.

When I say Japanophile it is 99.9% of the time just a replacement for "annoying person who likes Japan/Japanese things".

I have heard "nyaa" too many times in real life for one lifetime now.

And this is why I'm so horribly reluctant to say that I enjoy anything Japanese or that I'm studying Japanese. Because I'm fairly certain people are going to call me annoying weeaboo shit for it. (That's coming from somebody who self-identifies the weeaboo part.)

I was like that before but then I said to myself I do not give a shit about people I am not caring for or friends with think about me. Now I talk openly how I like for example corny and cheesy Japanese Romance movies, Japanese porn, anime or Japanese music. And I must say I have way more fun. I think it is horrible to judge a person like that. For example some guys found out that some girl in our classes was huge into cosplay and goes to events and competitions etc and they made always fun of her beside her back. That really pissed me off back then because my friend back than was/is also a huge cosplay nerd and when she saw that she became very careful around people so they don'f find out that she also was into this stuff.

In my experience most people in these classes are into some of this stuff but they are too embarrassed to acknowledge it so they go into a hiding mode...

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#208  Edited By Canteu

I did not know it was possible to White Knight a cartoon character.

Huh...

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#209  Edited By Belegorm

My thoughts as someone who's enjoyed plenty of anime, jrpg's, and other aspects of japanese culture in his time, on the PDF QL and this thread:

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I think I'm going through an existential crisis here. I'm kind of into Japanese culture - I have for some time now, but the more I find out about the pop culture aspect of it, the less I like about it, which is weird because that's why I got interested in it in the first place. Obviously none of this is directed at anyone personally, nor is it a generalisation, it's just my opinion of it - but I think Hatsune Miku is weird. I think it's fine that people enjoy the music, but I think the adoration of her is weird, simply because she is a virtualised, female. Emphasis on the female. I think hostess/host bars are weird. I think Idol groups are weird. I think the fact that a majority of these groups' fanbases are middle aged men is weird. I think the idea of attractiveness in Japan being more child-like is weird. I think that "cute" and "sexy" being so interchangeable in Japan is weird. The more I think about it, a lot of what I find weird revolves around some commercialisation of sexualisation, attraction or lust. There was that other thread on here that was about Host Bars, and how women were going to bars and paying to hang around men is both weird and really depressing. I feel all of this is exploiting an innate human characteristic for the desire of love, and that sucks. And it sucks that so many of these people revolve their lives around it - people aren't and shouldn't be a product of their pop-culture interests.

I used to be really into a Japanese idol-pop group called Morning Musume when I was around 14. They're a large band of girls aged between 11-19 and I had a massive crush on of them (Reina Tanaka for those playing at home). But as CDs were being pumped out like a well oiled machine, photobooks of these girls in suggestive positions, yearly "graduations" and "casting auditions" I realised what I had become - not a weabo, or a nerd, but a victim of this systematic, manipulative, yearning of my heart for people I don't even understand and I would be stuck in that loop over and over if I didn't get the hell out.

I can't speak for @hailinel or anyone else, but I doubt those on this site defending the Hatsune Miku stuff "adore" her, or even consider her to be a "her" in that creepy way. The super-obsessive western "otaku" stereotype certainly exists, but I think it's an easy cheap shot to write off anyone who's into the same things that crowd is into as one of them. Guilt by association isn't fair. There are tons of people out there who are super obsessive and borderline religious about sports, but one can be into sports without being that guy. Most people here are into video games without being horrible "PS Triple"-style fanboys about it. I honestly (and keep in mind I know very little about either) find pro wrestling to be weirder than Hatsune Miku, but if people are into it and they don't invite me over to watch it, I'm pretty much okay with it.

What I'm getting at is that you shouldn't judge any culture based on its craziest/weirdest elements. If you're into Japanese culture but find a lot of it weird, that doesn't mean you should feel bad about being into Japanese culture -- it just means you know what you like and what you don't. Liking a culture without feeling the need to defend every aspect of it is a manifestation of a healthy relationship with that culture.

It's also worth pointing out that, to my understanding, there's a fairly independent appeal to Project Diva F as an old-school rhythm game, as a rhythm game featuring a certain genre of music (whether or not you think it's good), and even as a window into an interesting music-making tool. I'm sure it's the case that there's a much higher percentage of weirder people playing the game in the west, but it's not a 1:1 thing.

Pretty much this. It's one thing to like the game and come to its defense. Super-creepy obsessiveness exists on a whole other level shared by the football fans that cheer when their home team quarterback is injured and burn his jersey in effigy in the stadium parking lot. Are all Houston Texans fans critical of Schaub's play like those idiots? No. But there's a difference between being critical of Matt Schaub's play and being such a desperate lunatic that you actively wish injury upon him.

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#211  Edited By Bocam

This thread is still going on... If it goes on any longer I'm going to have to bring out the brazilian donkey sex featuring Hatsune Miku video I found.

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@hailinel: so basically every extremist of an agenda, hobby or in general. By the way wishing someone getting injured so their team can score is not creepy it is maybe dumb and stupid but creepy? stalking someone and watching through someone's window is creepy. I hink the word creepy is used way too often these days.

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@darji said:

@hailinel: so basically every extremist of an agenda, hobby or in general. By the way wishing someone getting injured so their team can score is not creepy it is maybe dumb and stupid but creepy? stalking someone and watching through someone's window is creepy. I hink the word creepy is used way too often these days.

Yes, it's creepy. Wishing pain and injury on another human being simply because they aren't performing to the standard you expect of them is definitely creepy.

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#214  Edited By ArtisanBreads

@sooty said:

I do find it a negative thing because the people who get overly annoyed by stuff like this, or who are obsessed with anime are incredibly annoying.

Like, I do Japanese and Chinese at university, I cannot get across in words how fucking annoying most of the people in the Japanese classes are, in Chinese however everyone actually seems normal.

When I say Japanophile it is 99.9% of the time just a replacement for "annoying person who likes Japan/Japanese things".

I have heard "nyaa" too many times in real life for one lifetime now.

OK, it's time to own up. Can you please point yourself out in this video.

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THIS IS THE BEST

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@demoskinos: @hailinel: They make fun of games that they consider bad all the time. This time, you just happened to be a fan of said game. I wouldn't take it so personally. I'm a fan of the NBA 2K games but those Quick Looks are always just Jeff and Vinny stumbling around, having no idea what they're doing and then complaining about how the game is boring. People think it's funny. I think it's funny. It's not a big deal.

This is pretty much how the internet works at large. Make fun of any and everything, and it's hilarious, but target something THEY like, and suddenly you're unfunny and repeating tired old tropes. People have ridiculous double standards.

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Man, it's people like these who make me absolutely embarrassed to be a fan of anime.

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#217  Edited By ArtisanBreads

@milkman said:

@demoskinos: @hailinel: They make fun of games that they consider bad all the time. This time, you just happened to be a fan of said game. I wouldn't take it so personally. I'm a fan of the NBA 2K games but those Quick Looks are always just Jeff and Vinny stumbling around, having no idea what they're doing and then complaining about how the game is boring. People think it's funny. I think it's funny. It's not a big deal.

This is pretty much how the internet works at large. Make fun of any and everything, and it's hilarious, but target something THEY like, and suddenly you're unfunny and repeating tired old tropes. People have ridiculous double standards.

Well put. I definitely identify as someone who also enjoys sports games.

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#218  Edited By zero_

@hailinel said:

@grantheaslip said:

@zero_ said:

I think I'm going through an existential crisis here. I'm kind of into Japanese culture - I have for some time now, but the more I find out about the pop culture aspect of it, the less I like about it, which is weird because that's why I got interested in it in the first place. Obviously none of this is directed at anyone personally, nor is it a generalisation, it's just my opinion of it - but I think Hatsune Miku is weird. I think it's fine that people enjoy the music, but I think the adoration of her is weird, simply because she is a virtualised, female. Emphasis on the female. I think hostess/host bars are weird. I think Idol groups are weird. I think the fact that a majority of these groups' fanbases are middle aged men is weird. I think the idea of attractiveness in Japan being more child-like is weird. I think that "cute" and "sexy" being so interchangeable in Japan is weird. The more I think about it, a lot of what I find weird revolves around some commercialisation of sexualisation, attraction or lust. There was that other thread on here that was about Host Bars, and how women were going to bars and paying to hang around men is both weird and really depressing. I feel all of this is exploiting an innate human characteristic for the desire of love, and that sucks. And it sucks that so many of these people revolve their lives around it - people aren't and shouldn't be a product of their pop-culture interests.

I used to be really into a Japanese idol-pop group called Morning Musume when I was around 14. They're a large band of girls aged between 11-19 and I had a massive crush on of them (Reina Tanaka for those playing at home). But as CDs were being pumped out like a well oiled machine, photobooks of these girls in suggestive positions, yearly "graduations" and "casting auditions" I realised what I had become - not a weabo, or a nerd, but a victim of this systematic, manipulative, yearning of my heart for people I don't even understand and I would be stuck in that loop over and over if I didn't get the hell out.

I can't speak for @hailinel or anyone else, but I doubt those on this site defending the Hatsune Miku stuff "adore" her, or even consider her to be a "her" in that creepy way. The super-obsessive western "otaku" stereotype certainly exists, but I think it's an easy cheap shot to write off anyone who's into the same things that crowd is into as one of them. Guilt by association isn't fair. There are tons of people out there who are super obsessive and borderline religious about sports, but one can be into sports without being that guy. Most people here are into video games without being horrible "PS Triple"-style fanboys about it. I honestly (and keep in mind I know very little about either) find pro wrestling to be weirder than Hatsune Miku, but if people are into it and they don't invite me over to watch it, I'm pretty much okay with it.

What I'm getting at is that you shouldn't judge any culture based on its craziest/weirdest elements. If you're into Japanese culture but find a lot of it weird, that doesn't mean you should feel bad about being into Japanese culture -- it just means you know what you like and what you don't. Liking a culture without feeling the need to defend every aspect of it is a manifestation of a healthy relationship with that culture.

It's also worth pointing out that, to my understanding, there's a fairly independent appeal to Project Diva F as an old-school rhythm game, as a rhythm game featuring a certain genre of music (whether or not you think it's good), and even as a window into an interesting music-making tool. I'm sure it's the case that there's a much higher percentage of weirder people playing the game in the west, but it's not a 1:1 thing.

Pretty much this. It's one thing to like the game and come to its defense. Super-creepy obsessiveness exists on a whole other level shared by the football fans that cheer when their home team quarterback is injured and burn his jersey in effigy in the stadium parking lot. Are all Houston Texans fans critical of Schaub's play like those idiots? No. But there's a difference between being critical of Matt Schaub's play and being such a desperate lunatic that you actively wish injury upon him.

I can see where you're coming from with that, it's just different cultures and what's considered "normal" differs from person to person. But I don't think that analogy works too well with what I personally find weird about the Japanese side of it - for me it's not the rampant fandom, my problems lie in the whole sexualisation aspect of it. I think a better Western analogy would be something like One Direction and those sort of bands that are obviously milking the "attraction" side of things. But I still think that reaches no where the levels compared to Japan. I personally find it much more uncomfortable knowing there is a company out there, that's juiced out the very essence of love and sold it with a laser-focused product whether that is as blatant as it is with photo books or host bars, or not as pervasive but still definitely there in Hatsune Miku. I'll admit - I don't know the inner subculture of Hatsune Miku and Vocaloids as well as I do other Japanese niche cultures, but I'm fairly certain some if not most of the fans are single, middle aged men who absolutely adore her as a character and the fact that she is a high-pitched, school uniform wearing young-ish girl helps (and all the concerts seem to be jut that). I'd be much more accepting of it if that fan base had a much wider demographic - from all ages to genders, as that would really legitimatise the music and the art form and less so the sexualisation of it. Having said that, I'm not going to criticise any individual who is into it. I just won't get it into it myself and am a little disappointed that this sort of stuff is playing up on a subconscious level this idea of basement dwelling that has put Japan into an ageing population.

I can definitely understand your frustration Hailinel and your defence towards it. I know you're not flipping a table over it and I didn't follow that Quick Look thread that much so I apologise if I'm repeating things already, but from a Western culture perspective, a lot of this is flat out weird. It's weird because it's a character that looks like a child and I think Western culture is much more protective of children and childhood. It's weird because it's a fake voice - look at how much we already criticise auto-tune. You seem like a sensible guy/girl, do you mind if you could tell me what you like about Hatsune Miku? Like, I didn't find any problems with the Quick Look because they were dismissive of a subculture of a subculture - those who are into that weird side of Hatsune Miku and Japanese perversion. I don't think anywhere they generalised it to be all "Japanophiles". A ton of viewers and commenters probably did, but hey, if they're that ignorant that no amount of discussion is going to change that.

But I definitely do like what you've said Grant - I like Japanese culture and I dislike other aspects of it, so when I criticise Hatsune Miku, that's not Japan, Japanese people and those who like Japanese things. Likewise, you can criticise that Texan example (Sorry, I'm from Australia, no idea buddy!) and you're just criticising one segment of people, you're not generalising.

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Didn't think I'd ever see so many walls of text arguing about some computer anime girl singing rhythm game.

As much as I like some anime, a large majority of it and it's fanbase are fucking embarrassing.

This thread is blowing up more than those youtube comments though. Kind of funny, you've gotta admit.

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Jeez, this thread took off. If there's one thing that this tells me, it's that Jeff Gerstmann is still a threat.

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#223  Edited By ottoman673

Leave it to the fan boys to get pissed.

Seriously, why do you give two shits if Jeff Gerstmann, some dude who plays and writes/talks about video games on the Internet, has the same opinions as you on your piece of shit game/character? Japan is an inherently strange place that releases a lot of strange shit. Some like it, others don't. Who cares?

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#224  Edited By Pinmonkey

I LOVE NHL and FIFA, and when they play it I think it's the most hilarious shit when they have no idea what they're doing. I don't rage like jackanape because they don't understand it. They didn't even really say anything bad about the game.

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#225  Edited By rollingzeppelin

@akyho:

Personally, as a fan of the Gorillaz, I think people would find it weird because of the vocals themselves are being sung by a program. The Gorillaz are voiced by people, just performed by a virtual band. Though you say they have live people but aren't all the songs still played by the Vocaloid program? Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Personally it's not my thing but I can get it, whatever. I'm just saying other people would find that part weird.

The weird part for me is a bunch of grown ass men fawning over a computerized voice and animation that's made to look and sound like a 12 year old girl.

It's even worse than girls fawning over shit singers like Justin Beiber, which is bad enough as it is, but at least he's around the same age as them and a human being.

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@nadril said:

Didn't think I'd ever see so many walls of text arguing about some computer anime girl singing rhythm game.

As much as I like some anime, a large majority of it and it's fanbase are fucking embarrassing.

This thread is blowing up more than those youtube comments though. Kind of funny, you've gotta admit.

Just don't post a popcorn eating gif because you'll draw some displaced anger from some people lol

@nictel said:

@akyho: Oh man, that video XD.

Also this thread and the entire "fight":

What have you done!?

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Japan is an inherently strange place.

How?

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Because the US isn't weird at all...

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#231  Edited By Darji

@rollingzeppelin said:

@andrew2696 said:

@akyho:

Personally, as a fan of the Gorillaz, I think people would find it weird because of the vocals themselves are being sung by a program. The Gorillaz are voiced by people, just performed by a virtual band. Though you say they have live people but aren't all the songs still played by the Vocaloid program? Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Personally it's not my thing but I can get it, whatever. I'm just saying other people would find that part weird.

The weird part for me is a bunch of grown ass men fawning over a computerized voice and animation that's made to look and sound like a 12 year old girl.

It's even worse than girls fawning over shit singers like Justin Beiber, which is bad enough as it is, but at least he's around the same age as them and a human being.

Yeah all these grown up men.....

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Seriously Hatsune Miku in Japan and in the west is loved by many people not only these "grown up men" you find so strange Oh and there is a male version as well. Also whats so bad about having fun?^^

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Because the US isn't weird at all...

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boogie's Magic the Gathering unboxing videos are great, he deserves better than this thread.

@darji said:

Oh and there is a male version as well.

There's two in Diva F-uck I mean no one cares.

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#233  Edited By m1k3

Being an American, and a major Hatsune Miku fan (obviously with my avatar), and i was in no way offended with the quick look.

Japanese and American cultures are different. Both have different tastes in pop-stars. Japan has Miku, and America has Beiber.

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Guys I solved it. CBS is planning to invent their own virtual pop star and Jeff having clearly sold out, high on pipe dope and that corporate pape publicly denounced the blue haired robot as part of CBS's underground smear/marketing campaign.

Look forward to Hatsune Ray Romaniku next summer.

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@milkman said:

@demoskinos: @hailinel: They make fun of games that they consider bad all the time. This time, you just happened to be a fan of said game. I wouldn't take it so personally. I'm a fan of the NBA 2K games but those Quick Looks are always just Jeff and Vinny stumbling around, having no idea what they're doing and then complaining about how the game is boring. People think it's funny. I think it's funny. It's not a big deal.

This is pretty much how the internet works at large. Make fun of any and everything, and it's hilarious, but target something THEY like, and suddenly you're unfunny and repeating tired old tropes. People have ridiculous double standards.

FUCK HOMESTUCK

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#236  Edited By musubi

@likeassur said:

@milkman said:

@demoskinos: @hailinel: They make fun of games that they consider bad all the time. This time, you just happened to be a fan of said game. I wouldn't take it so personally. I'm a fan of the NBA 2K games but those Quick Looks are always just Jeff and Vinny stumbling around, having no idea what they're doing and then complaining about how the game is boring. People think it's funny. I think it's funny. It's not a big deal.

This is pretty much how the internet works at large. Make fun of any and everything, and it's hilarious, but target something THEY like, and suddenly you're unfunny and repeating tired old tropes. People have ridiculous double standards.

Well put. I definitely identify as someone who also enjoys sports games.

Not true, well for me anyways. I'm consistently annoyed when people make fun of any sort of group like that no matter if its Furries, Rednecks, Liberals or whoever I just don't find that sort of thing humorous. Its just lazy humor to sit there and trot out the same tired tropes that are associated with that group in search of humor or a punchline.

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#237  Edited By Hailinel

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I can see where you're coming from with that, it's just different cultures and what's considered "normal" differs from person to person. But I don't think that analogy works too well with what I personally find weird about the Japanese side of it - for me it's not the rampant fandom, my problems lie in the whole sexualisation aspect of it. I think a better Western analogy would be something like One Direction and those sort of bands that are obviously milking the "attraction" side of things. But I still think that reaches no where the levels compared to Japan. I personally find it much more uncomfortable knowing there is a company out there, that's juiced out the very essence of love and sold it with a laser-focused product whether that is as blatant as it is with photo books or host bars, or not as pervasive but still definitely there in Hatsune Miku. I'll admit - I don't know the inner subculture of Hatsune Miku and Vocaloids as well as I do other Japanese niche cultures, but I'm fairly certain some if not most of the fans are single, middle aged men who absolutely adore her as a character and the fact that she is a high-pitched, school uniform wearing young-ish girl helps (and all the concerts seem to be jut that). I'd be much more accepting of it if that fan base had a much wider demographic - from all ages to genders, as that would really legitimatise the music and the art form and less so the sexualisation of it. Having said that, I'm not going to criticise any individual who is into it. I just won't get it into it myself and am a little disappointed that this sort of stuff is playing up on a subconscious level this idea of basement dwelling that has put Japan into an ageing population.

I can definitely understand your frustration Hailinel and your defence towards it. I know you're not flipping a table over it and I didn't follow that Quick Look thread that much so I apologise if I'm repeating things already, but from a Western culture perspective, a lot of this is flat out weird. It's weird because it's a character that looks like a child and I think Western culture is much more protective of children and childhood. It's weird because it's a fake voice - look at how much we already criticise auto-tune. You seem like a sensible guy/girl, do you mind if you could tell me what you like about Hatsune Miku? Like, I didn't find any problems with the Quick Look because they were dismissive of a subculture of a subculture - those who are into that weird side of Hatsune Miku and Japanese perversion. I don't think anywhere they generalised it to be all "Japanophiles". A ton of viewers and commenters probably did, but hey, if they're that ignorant that no amount of discussion is going to change that.

But I definitely do like what you've said Grant - I like Japanese culture and I dislike other aspects of it, so when I criticise Hatsune Miku, that's not Japan, Japanese people and those who like Japanese things. Likewise, you can criticise that Texan example (Sorry, I'm from Australia, no idea buddy!) and you're just criticising one segment of people, you're not generalising.

There is that sexualization aspect of the fandom, but that's not something shared across the whole. And that creepiness is not limited to just male fans (the male vocaloids KAITO and Len have their pervy fangirls).

That being said, sexualization isn't the core focus of Vocaloid. It's a voice synthesizer product that offers different packages of voice banks. Miku, and most of the other characters seen in the Project Diva series, were originally created for the second version of the engine, and each voice bank is based on samples provided by a live voice actor or singer. All the core of Vocaloid is is a tool to create songs, with the notion that the character the chosen voice bank represents is singing. It's also a tool used by people ranging from amateurs to professional musicians. Ryo, a member of a band called Supercell, has used Vocaloid for background singing in addition to writing and composing songs with Miku as the lead. A couple of those songs are actually in Project Diva F, and one, Black Rock Shooter, was actually popular enough in its own right that the song itself was adapted into an anime series and a PSP game. The song itself was inspired by an original character sketch he saw on an image-sharing site and has nothing to do with Miku or the Volcaloid fandom in any way.

It's also an outlet for some more ambitious works, like what is collectively known as the Song of Evil. A series of original works that tell tales of characters in a European-themed fantasy in which the Vocaloid characters are cast as characters within the story. Examples of these works include Daughter of Evil, Servant of Evil, Daughter of White, among others. Could it have been composed for performance by live singers? Sure. On the other hand, the elements of the songs and the characters within are based on some of the popular fan characterizations of the Vocaloids. The software also provides access to singers of a caliber that amateur song writers otherwise might not have access to.

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What I mean by fan characterizations is that the characters don't have any personality as defined by the people that create the software. They have a name, an appearance, perhaps an age, but otherwise, most everything commonly associated with them in terms of oddities like signature items and so forth have been sort of crowdsourced by the fandom. It's why leeks are commonly associated with Miku, or why a steamroller (a.k.a. road roller) is commonly associated with Rin and Len. They're these goofy, innocent personal touches that the fans have come up with, and have since been widely adopted to the point that it's referenced in licensed merchandise.

Similarly, there are the Vocaloid derivative characters. One of the things about Vocaloid software that might not be widely known is that the software doesn't actually lock you into any of these set characters. You're free to change elements like pitch to create new singing voices. And the fandom, taking inspiration from various sources, have sort of crowdsourced their own original characters; some of whom have also been subsequently adopted as "official" characters by the voice bank creators, even if the characters themselves don't have their own official voice banks. The DLC characters in Project Diva F, Haku, Neru, and Teto, are all characters that started off as fan creations inspired by events in and around the fandom before being adopted by Miku's creators as official.

(And yes, I was serious about the steamroller. Why a steamroller? Because Rin and Len's colors reminded people of one. I'm not gonna argue!):

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So there's a sense of community to the fanbase of the software, and of the characters, where creative freedom and expression is pretty wide open. This is one of the things I really like most about it. Do you get those desperate guys and gals with body pillows? Well, sure. But then again, there are middle-aged women that are creepily into Twilight and Justin Bieber, and guys that write saga-length fanfiction about their desire to have sex with Arwen from Lord of the Rings or 1980s-era Hulk Hogan (or both). There are weirdos in every fandom. But for the most part, we don't define these entire fanbases by their most sexually bizarre.

But you are right in that no amount of discussion is going to keep people from making these judgments. (I'm sure I'll encourage a few drive-bys just by posting this response.) But if these people don't want to experience the oddity that is a song about a creepy piece of toast, well, that's their loss. (And hey, this one's in English!)

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#238  Edited By SSully

I have no idea who Hatsune Mike is, but I fucking love when people get offended by stupid bullshit like this. The frustration is so damn enjoyable, I just want to gobble it up!

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This is the most beautiful thing I've ever read.

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I AM UPSET THAT MY GAME ABOUT UNDERAGE CARTOON GIRLS IN SEXUALLY PROVOCATIVE POP MUSIC VIDEOS WASN'T GIVEN THE RESPECT IT SO RIGHTFULLY DESERVES.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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#241  Edited By jakob187

Guys. Hey. Hey guys.

I just have one question:

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ALL ABOUT?

Seriously, I don't know what the fuck a Hatsune Miku is or what Jeff is hating on, and nothing in the OP actually clarifies a goddamn thing.

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@jakob187 said:

Guys. Hey. Hey guys.

I just have one question:

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ALL ABOUT?

Seriously, I don't know what the fuck a Hatsune Miku is or what Jeff is hating on, and nothing in the OP actually clarifies a goddamn thing.

Short version:

  1. OP Posts quotes from Jeff's Tumblr related to Miku and the game Project Diva F.
  2. I respond, noting that I thought that the site's quick look of the game was terribly done and not funny.
  3. Shitstorm?
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@jakob187 said:

Seriously, I don't know what the fuck a Hatsune Miku

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Okay, so I just looked up Hatsune Miku, and I found out it's a serious of singing games or something like that?

Watched some of the Quick Look for Project Diva F, and...is this what people are upset about?

People see that the guys at GIANT BOMB...are playing an ANIME GAME...and what the fuck were they expecting? I mean, if @jeff jumped in this thread and said "The Suffering was a flacid piece of shit" and began railing on it, it wouldn't change my love of the game at all. It would just mean that...*GASP*...someone had an opinion. Moreover, if you FEED THE TROLL, then the TROLL WILL GROW.

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@jakob187: I'm not even sure who Jeff is trying to troll at this point. I doubt most Youtube commenters are even aware that his blog exists.

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@jakob187: Wow, well done. You've just reminded me The Suffering existed, I played through it with a friend and I thought it was pretty okay at the time. Thanks, now this thread seems a bit less crazy from what I've lurked.

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@likeassur said:

@milkman said:

@demoskinos: @hailinel: They make fun of games that they consider bad all the time. This time, you just happened to be a fan of said game. I wouldn't take it so personally. I'm a fan of the NBA 2K games but those Quick Looks are always just Jeff and Vinny stumbling around, having no idea what they're doing and then complaining about how the game is boring. People think it's funny. I think it's funny. It's not a big deal.

This is pretty much how the internet works at large. Make fun of any and everything, and it's hilarious, but target something THEY like, and suddenly you're unfunny and repeating tired old tropes. People have ridiculous double standards.

FUCK HOMESTUCK

YOU'RE OFFENDING ME.

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@lackingsaint said:

@likeassur said:

@milkman said:

@demoskinos: @hailinel: They make fun of games that they consider bad all the time. This time, you just happened to be a fan of said game. I wouldn't take it so personally. I'm a fan of the NBA 2K games but those Quick Looks are always just Jeff and Vinny stumbling around, having no idea what they're doing and then complaining about how the game is boring. People think it's funny. I think it's funny. It's not a big deal.

This is pretty much how the internet works at large. Make fun of any and everything, and it's hilarious, but target something THEY like, and suddenly you're unfunny and repeating tired old tropes. People have ridiculous double standards.

FUCK HOMESTUCK

YOU'RE OFFENDING ME.

I know that this is getting off topic, but what's the appeal of Homestuck? From your perspective, I mean. I have a couple of friends that are super into it and one of them has tried to get me into it as well (her attempts have not really worked).

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#249  Edited By chrissedoff

In this thread is mounting evidence that all this vocaloid stuff is way stupider than anything Jeff could have imagined from doing the Project Diva quick look.

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#250  Edited By musubi

@hailinel said:

@likeassur said:

@lackingsaint said:

@likeassur said:

@milkman said:

@demoskinos: @hailinel: They make fun of games that they consider bad all the time. This time, you just happened to be a fan of said game. I wouldn't take it so personally. I'm a fan of the NBA 2K games but those Quick Looks are always just Jeff and Vinny stumbling around, having no idea what they're doing and then complaining about how the game is boring. People think it's funny. I think it's funny. It's not a big deal.

This is pretty much how the internet works at large. Make fun of any and everything, and it's hilarious, but target something THEY like, and suddenly you're unfunny and repeating tired old tropes. People have ridiculous double standards.

FUCK HOMESTUCK

YOU'RE OFFENDING ME.

I know that this is getting off topic, but what's the appeal of Homestuck? From your perspective, I mean. I have a couple of friends that are super into it and one of them has tried to get me into it as well (her attempts have not really worked).

What the hell is Homestuck?