Dogma

@sinusoidal: @babychoochoo: I have never played that game but did know it's premiss being about the life of the composer. I just don't really know how they actually implemented Copin's music into the game.

@sinusoidal: Wow! That's nuts! I think Beethoven literally would spin and flip out in his grave! Fun and cool interpretation. Never heard it before.

Since I made the topic I can add one more just to get things started.

In Asura's Wrath when Asura fights Augus on the moon we get to hear Antonín Dvořák's fourth movement in his 9th symphony (also known as the New World Symphony). I think this is a really cool implementation for a couple of reasons.

1) It fits perfect and is a really good song.

2) Neil Armstrong is documented to have brought the 9th symphony with him on his Moon trip.

3) The Symphony is inspired by ethnic native american music. It is a lot more spiritual than other music he had composed. Doesn't seem to fit bad with a game about spiritualism, karma, life force and reincarnation.

I really like it when the developer/music composer seems to have a reason for using a specific piece of music. With all those pieces of fact it get's really cool. It was clearly not a coincedence that Kaoru Wada chose this piece of music to play during that spectacular fighting scene.

EDIT: To the mods. I'm sorry if this is seen a bump. That was not my intention. I can fold them into the first post if you want. I just felt I wanted to separate them.

Have you ever heard music you really liked in a game and then come to the conclusion that it was actually classical music?

I personally love orchestral music but classical music have kind of a bad rap of being old and stuff. I think that is kind of unjustified. It all depends on what you are listening to. Everyone has different tastes in music. Classical music is not genre in itself but rather contains genrers of music.

Bur back to the topic! Can you give or link to examples where you heard classical music in video games or do you have a story how you first got exposed to classical music through a game? Like how i first heard "Night on Bald Montain" by Musorgskij in Earthworm Jim.

This is always what I think about she I hear that song, that and the Fantasia sequence (but I saw that later). It was not very surprising to hear the melody during the bossfight with Chernabog in Kingdom Hearts BUT it was still cool that Square thought about using it and make that connection.

What examples do you have where classical music effectively sneaked into video games?

Now I'm super tired and I have to sleep to be a proper working human being tomorrow.

I just wanted to say thanks to EVERYONE.

I have spent two hours reading this board and I see improvement. I see people trying to listen to each other. That is a step in the right direction.

I want to thanks the staff and Jeff for addressing this. I have not blamed you for not speaking out earlier but this last weeks event seems to be the straw that broke the camels back.

Even the most level headed Gamergater tends to want writers to change the way the write or critique games. Some want to get rid of topics as sexism, equality, rasiscm, HTBQ rights and other political and human rights questions. Some don't think it fits a video game site. This is one of my main concerns since it's censorship. Criticising a game for having for example sexism is not censorship. It's just criticism. A critic can say what they want and any one can decide if they want to listen or not. Developers can decide if the critics have good points or not. It's up to them. BUT if you don't want to listen to this type of criticism then you don't have to.

I want to thank all Giantbombs wonderful Duders that has participated in civil discourse about this topic during the week. This was the first place I really felt i dared to speak out about this topic without being screamed to silence. It's OK to think different and want different things. Conflict get's created when these opposing opinions try to force each other to do stuff the other side don't wants. That's how you make people defensive and angry. I'm not saying GTFO, but I'm saying that if you don't like the way Giantbomb or other sites are writing about games in a certain way then those sites may not be for you anymore. Find greener pastures or create your own. Life if to damn short to just scream and be angry. You will never force writers to change their opinions or the way the want to grow and express themselves. Criticism is important and it's also subjective. A critic may put any part of them into their writing. You decide if you want to read it.

I believe this can get fixed. I really do. People just needs to stop shouting and start listening. And I think it's time we gamers realise that we are different and don't see eye to eye on everything. It was one thing when we disagreed on a video game score but it becomes a whole other can of worms with these more broad society topics. The best thing is probably that everyone finds a place that they think speaks to them.

My last thanks goes out to @rorieand his fantastic crew of moderators. You guys deserve a big applaud after this weeks moderating chaos. I'm so impressed. <3

Goodnight.

I find them helpful at a glance to get a weak understanding what the opinion is about a game. I often use Metacritic when I see an embargo is out on Twitter. The score gives me an approximation of how the games reception is. Then I start to read or watch from those site i prefer.

I don't base my buying decisions on scores BUT they are helpful the first 2-3 minutes before I actually decide to start reading reviews.

Yeah. I had that suspicion too. It's weird, right? Wasn't the most important part that you were a real gamer? Guess not.

This is also the reason why I think that something more insidious is seeping into our gaming community. There is a great risk that real misogynists and troublemakers (maybe conservative people. I hope that means the same in US as in Sweden, if not I applogise) are seeing a chance to blend in and keep putting gasoline on the fire.

I would compare these people to huligans. People that don't really care for the sport but rather just want to fight. I'm not saying they the gamer community is pure, it's not, since we all know where it started but there is a high risk that outsiders are involved just to terrorise. And that's sad.

I would like to, if I may, point out that supporters of Gamergate has clearly being very selective of who they are okey with or not when it comes to being an established gamer. if you're a real gamer or not so to say. They want to discredit Anita all the time and call her out for not being a gamer BUT have no problem what so ever that Christina Hoff Sommers talks about the issue or women in gaming with having no what so ever knowledge about gaming or gaming culture.

But I guess it's okey when she is saying just the right things...

I really don't see the difference between this and fanboys that are just searching for validation all the times in reviews.

Kate Edwards, the executive director of the International Game Developers Association also said this in the same piece.

"The irony of this movement is that they want journalistic integrity, but are looking to squash the voices of women at all costs," Edwards said. "The logic is completely lacking."

This is also the industry that clearly shows that they are aware of how backwards this reasoning is.

Gamergate want to get rid of those parts of critique the don't like. Feminism and social commentary is one of those things. This is her clearly talking about just that.

EDIT: Also kidnapping Patricks link.

https://twitter.com/htsuka/status/522502372036464640

Oh wow. I had missed that one. I heard about something with The Escapist but didn't know the story.

I shall try to be very quick. This is some simple thoughts on what the "real" Gamergate needs to do to get taken seriously. When I say "real" I mean those that constantly defend Gamergate and insist that it's all about ethics. You can't continue to be a formless mess on Twitter or different forums.

1. Loose Twitter as a main communication plattform. It's toxic for your reputation.

2. Change the name. Abandon it. It's toxic and no one can take you serious which such a stupid name.

3. Establish a real plattform, a website, to gather all true Gamegaters.

4. Find leaders. Establish an editorial team made up of best of the best in your ranks.

5. Everyone else can be on a message board on the same site and even help out.

6. Write and conduct game journalism EXACTLY the way you want. You will probably get a bunch of readers directly. Grow.

This is the solution. Create a foundation and get accountability. Distance yourself from all of those who use the hashtag in what you insist is the wrong way. Then just critique games, journalists and topics however you want. And don't forget to abide to those ethics you all talk about.

Want to change game writing? Then try and see if a big portion of the audience wants your type of writing instead of trying to force other outlets to conform to your views. You may be successful, you may not but it's worth a try. You would give a home to a lot of gamers that feel that todays games media with their "agenda" are worthless. They are clearly searching for options. Give them the ultimate one. Take all those angry readers away and then people on all sides can get back to being happy again and play games or do what they like.

This movement isn't helping when it manages to take away income from other sites because it's a extremely selfish way to handle this. A lot of people like what Gamasutra, Polygon, Giantbomb, Gamespot writes. Why is your way the only right "ethical" way? People are different and therefore also criticism. Thank you <3