Giant Bombcast 05-07-2013

There are some great Master System games everyone should play: Miracle Warriors (an RPG that comes with a huge fold-out world map), Golvellius (Zelda-like, but way better), Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap (only the best Metroidvania out there), Impossible Mission (the Master System port is the best version of this classic), Golden Axe Warrior (another good Zelda-like), Land of Illusion, Fantasy Zone II (later ported to other platforms, including the NES and arcades), and Phantasy Star.

The Sims continues to be pretty damn popular. At least from what I can tell of the audience.

I'm getting hella dejavu with this genesis conversation

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/precursor-games/

I haven't seen Sage's vines, but I do agree with you on everything here. MM..Food is just the precursor to a great pizza album.

the wiki entry for the shmoo is epic and weird s hell

Shmoo

If you're old and retired you are dead to Ryan.

Not gonna lie, the first hour of this podcast was super boring. I'm not old enough or American enough to enjoy any of this discussion.

@patrickklepek was fucking spot on about raising the stakes in video games. It's hard to pay attention to the fucking galaxy getting blown up or something. It really brings no emotional response, maybe if you're REALLY invested in the characters it holds some value.

That's why I'm loving Sleeping Dogs right now. Just started playing, and the stakes aren't all that great - the most you're worried about is this undercover cop getting killed. And I'm really getting attached to the poor bastard.

Great bombcast. @jeff was spot on about the "magic" on SegaCD. As someone who had no PC at that point games like Lunar blew my mind. Ground Zero Texas and Sewer Shark... not so much lol.

Finished up the podcast this morning and while I agree with Patrick that Microsoft's "dev/pub pays for updates" scheme isn't the best answer to the problem of ubiquitous updates for every game, I don't think it's right to point to Day Z as resounding proof that a hands off approach works itself. Yeah, that dev caught a lot of flak for their game not living up to their promises, but if you remember, their response early on was essentially "Fuck y'all, we've got your money and you ain't getting a refund." It was only when Steam pulled their game essentially that people got refunds and as far as I can tell those refunds were issued at Steam/Vavle's expense.

It's pretty easy to see why Microsoft would not want that kind of additional responsibility or financial obligation for basically no reward. If the onus isn't on the dev/pub to properly test their game and patches, it doesn't make sense to expect the platform owner to do it, and if no one does it, that can have disastrous consequences for the platform owner and the industry at large. Imagine if nearly every XBLA game was broken at launch. People would blame Microsoft and their lax enforcement in no time at all.

We had a a neighbor who looked JUST LIKE THE SHMOO.

This person was possessed of the additional misfortune of being a woman between the ages of 20-30.

Before she moved in, I was a blissful innocent with no knowledge of The Shmoo's existence. But, this person's arrival compelled my partner to educate me--a dark day.

I had a Master System and never actually owned a NES (lots of my friends had them, so I didnt feel the need), and there was some GREAT stuff on there.

@fabjan You forgot Psycho Fox !

Ok. I now want bank pants. This needs to happen.

Man. I would happily drop 5 bucks for them to get the rights for the Super Mario Brothers movie and live stream it while MST3King the shit out of it.

The entire Super Mario Brothers Movie is on youtube. There is a disturbing about of apologists in the comments.

My favourite part of the podcast is fast becoming Brad telling everyone else to trust him about something

@nights: I actually rewatched the first two TMNT movies like a month ago. The first one definitely holds up better, since the second one is clearly more kid oriented, but when you consider most the crap that passes for kids entertainment these days it's still a pretty decent movie. Its pretty far from "hot garbage".

Also, the Ninja Rap is pretty much the epitome of "awful in a fun way".

it's like the new word of the day for them, two weeks in a row

Don't worry, I get that all the time.

D.I.C.E. + Republic Commando.

Drops mike, walks off stage.

I'm really glad Pat brought up this issue about Eternal Darkness. I was totally ignorant about the whole thing, till I read the comments(and the article, at IGN?) Anyways, with all the starving ppl. in the world, I have to be convinced that a particular video game is something I really want, which is possible btw. there have been some recent efforts I have good feelings towards. Just the same, where there is smoke there is fire, and I have little trust of the world. That is why I am really picky about the charities and such I give my money over to. And I have no trust of ppl. who by some intent or not, ride roughshod over their project and ppl.

No games coming out,

3 hours 30 minutes of podcast!

@brendan: Yes. that was what triggered it for me too. I was thinking about it more after finishing listening. I build software for a living, so I take the comments about quality more seriously than most probably.

I think the challenge in testing a game is similar to the challenge in testing their site. For their site, it works well with a few people but the complexity ramps up as more people are accessing it at once. For games, it works well for a few things that people do, but as more people people play it and try more thing across more systems the complexity ramps up.

I guess consoles help to take out the "more systems" part of the equation, but I imagine there are still variances there in number of controllers, size of hard drives, wifi connected or not, updates firmware or not and so on.

Are you saying that Brad the new older, more sexually experienced boyfriend of the Bombcast?

Because I agree.

Just a point of correction. The game that was all fucked up and got removed from Steam was The War Z not Day Z. Day Z is the ARMA 2 mod that inspired The War Z and is currently in development as a standalone product.

Erm @brad The Sims 3 came out in 2009.

EDIT: Nevermind, Ryan corrected him.

Domino's is nasty. The fact that they have a huge TV commercial campaign to apologize for the last 20 or so years of making horrible pizza should be a big red flag. Pizza Hut is also not very good, but I would take that any day over Domino's.

Papa John's is decent enough for pizza delivery.

Will next weeks Bombcast be an intervention episode for Brad's DOTA addiction?

Also, I thought Vinny's analysis of Kickstarter and the increasing complexity of what it takes to get published was spot on.

Great podcast this week guys, made me laugh out loud a couple of times, especially near the end imagining one of you using up all his accumulated internet good will to start up a Domino's franchise thru kickstarter.

now i just feel confused :| (and very slightly aroused ;) )

I'm sick as a dog listening to the Bombcast and Brad starts talking about Dota 2. Now I have to play dammit.

Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure the Genesis actually outsold the SNES in the US.

They should try to get Drew in on the podcast more, he always has interesting stuff to say. He's probably too busy editing videos though.

YES.

It's a small world after all....and it's very dark....but I like it.

The Genesis outsold the SNES in the U.S. until 1993-1994 after the 1992 release of Street Fighter 2 that shifted the tide in favor of the SNES and top-selling games from the later years. That, coupled with people becoming more interested in longer-form gameplay over arcade ports, made the SNES the ultimate winner in the U.S. Oddly, enough the Mega Drive dominated the SNES in Europe due to a stronger localization effort on the part of SEGA.

Worldwide sales figures

1. Super Nintendo Entertainment System/Super Famicom – 49.10 million (Japan: 17.17 million, the Americas: 23.35 million, Other: 8.58 million)^[8][33]
2. Genesis/Mega Drive – 40 million (United States: 20 million,^[34] Rest of the world: 15 million,^[35]Tec Toy: 2 million,^[14]Majesco: 2 million,^[14]Sega Nomad: 1 million^[36])
3. TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine – 10 million (US: 2.5 million)^[37]

Super Nintendo Entertainment System video games that have sold or shipped at least four million copies.

• Super Mario World (20.60 million)^[47][58]
• Donkey Kong Country (9 million)^[59]
• Super Mario Kart (8 million)^[60]
• Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (6.3 million)^[61]
• The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (4.61 million)^[52]
• Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (4.37 million approximately: 2.21 million in Japan,^[51] 2.16 million in US)^[24]
• Street Fighter II Turbo (4.1 million)^[61]
• Star Fox (4 million)^[62]
• Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (4 million)^[58]

Sega Mega Drive/Genesis games that have sold or shipped at least one million copies.

• Sonic the Hedgehog (over 15 million)^[113]
• Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (6 million)^[114]
• Aladdin (4 million)^[115]
• NBA Jam (1.93 million in US)^[24]
• Mortal Kombat II (1.78 million in US)^[24]
• Street Fighter II: Special Champion Edition (1.65 million)^[61]
• Altered Beast (at least 1.4 million in the US)^[116]
• Sonic & Knuckles (1.24 million in US)^[24]
• Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (1.02 million in US)^[24]
• Mortal Kombat 3 (1.02 million in US)^[24]
• Mighty Morphin Power Rangers (1 million in US)^[117][118]
• Ms. Pac-Man (more than 1 million in US)^[119]
• NFL 98 (more than 1 million in US)^[120]
• Sonic Spinball ("each selling over one million units in 1993")^[121]
• Jurassic Park ("each selling over one million units in 1993")^[121]
• NFL Football '94 Starring Joe Montana ("each selling over one million units in 1993")^[121]
• Marvel Comic's X-Men ("each selling over one million units in 1993")^[121]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#16-bit_era

Ninja rap is the best rap.

You are correct. Damn it, I looked it up to make sure and then used the wrong name anyway. Stupid brain....

Ryan's statement that not enough people care for Disney to want to release original, un-"lucased" Star Wars trilogy seems really idiotic to me. The ganging up on Brad stuff gets really old and especially makes Patrick seem like a petty prick.

My girlfriend fucking loves the Sims, but the way that each new release strips out expansion features and then re-sells them is disgusting, and she's put off by it too. Not sure if we'll buy it, honestly. She isn't even terribly excited.

I remember the shmoo I think they showed a little bit of it in the 90s but I don't know the herculoids. When they were talking about it, I was like what the fuck is a shmoo, then I checked it and remembered it was that white thing that turned into a lot of things and it had some creepy whiskers, I thought it looked cuddly when I was little but now it looks scary. WHERE ARE IT'S HANDS??

Riff Raff.

Garbage Pail Kids.

Picking the Genesis over the SNES.

Patrick singing "Coming Out Of Our Shells."

This is my new favorite episode.

NO MENTION OF SONIC SPINBALL. WHAT THE FUCK

It Appears our streak of Earlycasts has concluded! :(

YOU CAN DO IT

Any minute now. I can taste it. Itchy, tasty.

I was literally crying when the Bob Hoskins part happened. Funniest Bombcast in a long time.