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Quick Look: Nier

Learn all about Nier, and maybe a thing or two about cinnamon schnapps.

Sit back and enjoy as the Giant Bomb team takes an unedited look at the latest video games.

May. 1 2010

Cast: Ryan, Brad

Posted by: Vinny

In This Episode:

Nier

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@mutha3 said:

" @WinterSnowblind: 
 
Wow.
 
Or how about this: Western game developers never make games that appeal to the Japanese market,while the games you just mentioned appeal very much to western sensibilities.  
 
LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Perhaps I wasn't using the best examples.  But the point being that games in the west will sell regardless of the origin, as long as it's a good game.  Be that Final Fantasy, Persona or even something that would typically be seen as very Japanese such as Katamari Demacy.
 
Where as in Japan Western games aren't given the ilght of day, regardless of their quality or content.  And yes, they do use the term 'youge-'  that basically means 'crap' to refer to anything developed in the West.  Just to give you some idea of their bias.
 
Obviously different tastes do come into the equasion, but that was my whole point, many people here are hostile towards Japanese games because of their general style and themes, but will still mostly be accepted, unlike in Japan.  So please don't take my comments completely out of context.
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@WinterSnowblind said:

" @mutha3 said:

" @WinterSnowblind: 
 
Wow.
 
Or how about this: Western game developers never make games that appeal to the Japanese market,while the games you just mentioned appeal very much to western sensibilities.  
 
LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Perhaps I wasn't using the best examples.  But the point being that games in the west will sell regardless of the origin, as long as it's a good game.  Be that Final Fantasy, Persona or even something that would typically be seen as very Japanese such as Katamari Demacy.
  Where as in Japan Western games aren't given the ilght of day, regardless of their quality or content.
 

.

 
 Yeah. Okay.
 
First, Persona and Katamari Damacy are no name franchises with very limited appeal. Just like western games  in the east.  
 
Second, the reason Final Fantasy sells well because of its massive presence. It has built this presence by FFVII being a big deal on the PS1 with its cutting edge graphics and FMV, just like MGS.
 
Besides, if you wanna go that bullshit route: Wizardy. Sold like hotcakes in Japan and became a nationwide phenomena. Its Japanese counterpart Shin Megami Tensei, though? well we all know how Nocturne did comparitively in the west.
 
SEE HOW THE EVIL WESTERNERS DON'T GIVE LIGHT OF THE DAY TO QUALITY!HEY AHVE DEVISED DEROGATORY TERMS LIKE ''SHIT''!!@#

   they do use the term 'youge-'  that basically means 'crap' to refer to anything developed in the West.  Just to give you some idea of their bias


 
You mean how forum mouth breathers call Japanese games shit  in western forums?
 
That is not a derogatory term created for Western games, cut it out with the paranoia bull.
 
 


  Obviously different tastes do come into the equasion, but that was my whole point, many people here are hostile towards Japanese games because of their general style and themes, but will still mostly be accepted, unlike in Japan.  So please don't take my comments completely out of context. " 


 Yes, military shooters get burned at a stake in Japan, you're right. And the people on Giant Bomb have very open minded views on Japanese gaming. Its not like any topic about a new JRPG gets spammed with ''Animevice'' or something. No siree we are far too mature for that.
 
I'm astonished at your vaguely xenophobic fantasy view of an entire culture. Wow...just, wow.
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@mutha3 said:

I'm astonished at your vaguely xenophobic fantasy view of an entire culture. Wow...just, wow. "

On that note, I'm going to assume you did little more than skim my posts, and instead of engaging in an arguement, simply refer you back to my previous posts.  

With the exception of the bias in Japan over Western games, where I'll hand you over to Mr. Yoichi Wada, the president of Squar-Enix.
 

@Yoichi Wada said:

 “Even now, there have been people in Japan using the label youge- with a terribly discriminatory meaning,  I’d like them to try it once. If they play it once, they’d realise how incorrect that label is.”    

Yes, forum "mouth-breathers" may unfairly attack a lot of Japanese RPG's, but calling them "shit" isn't the same as applying an actual label to every game that comes out of Japan.
 
Again, my comments were defend the sometimes rather negative view some gamers over here have about Japanese games, and simply point out the exact opposite is true over there.  This seems to have gone straight over your head.
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@WinterSnowblind said:


@Yoichi Wada said:

 “Even now, there have been people in Japan using the label youge- with a terribly discriminatory meaning,  I’d like them to try it once. If they play it once, they’d realise how incorrect that label is.”    

Yes, forum "mouth-breathers" may unfairly attack a lot of Japanese RPG's, but calling them "shit" isn't the same as applying an actual label to every game that comes out of Japan.
Youge means crap.
 
Shit means crap.
 
They are the same thing.
 
You are insane and ignorant if you think that anyone outside of forum breathers call every western game crap.
 
And I'd like you to back up your claims instead of quoting  what some douche at Square Enix said. Please show me a case where a Japanese developed military shooter DID sell well. Actually, don't because they sell like crap too.
 
And what genre do Western developers like to churn out?hmmmm....what about WRPG? surely Japan's nefarious developers have made a copycat franchise of its style, which sells millions!
 
No. Because they don't appeal to the Japanese market. The same way that Persona's record sale in the history of Atlus(in the west. ) is 130,000
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@mutha3 said:
Youge means crap.  Shit means crap.  They are the same thing.  You are insane and ignorant if you think that anyone outside of forum breathers call every western crap.  And I'd like you to back up your claims instead of quoting  what some douche at Square Enix said. Please show me a case where a Japanese developed military shooter DID sell well. Actually, don't because they sell like crap too.
Youge doesn't mean crap.  It's a label they apply to Western games that essentially means crap, like how we refer to something as a FPS or RTS, they have one specifically to say that it's a western game and therefore bad.  I'm sure it's use is somewhat limited to nerds, but again, my point is that the bias between cultures isn't one way.
 
I don't like anime, they don't like FPS. 
 
@mutha3 said:
And what genre do Western developers like to churn out?hmmmm....what about WRPG? surely Japan's nefarious developers have made a copycat franchise of its style, which sells millions!

Demon's Souls.
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@WinterSnowblind said:

" @mutha3 said:

Youge means crap.  Shit means crap.  They are the same thing.  You are insane and ignorant if you think that anyone outside of forum breathers call every western crap.  And I'd like you to back up your claims instead of quoting  what some douche at Square Enix said. Please show me a case where a Japanese developed military shooter DID sell well. Actually, don't because they sell like crap too.

Youge doesn't mean crap.  It's a label they apply to Western games that essentially means crap, like how we refer to something as a FPS or RTS, they have one specifically to say that it's a western game and therefore bad.  I'm sure it's use is somewhat limited to nerds, but again, my point is that the bias between cultures isn't one way.
 

Maybe shit isn't the right word. I'll introduce you to another certain term:
 
''weaboo'', ''loli anime shit'''
 
 
As for the bolded......
 

Perhaps I wasn't using the best examples.  But the point being that games in the west will sell regardless of the origin, as long as it's a good game.  Be that Final Fantasy, Persona or even something that would typically be seen as very Japanese such as Katamari Demacy.
 
Where as in Japan Western games aren't given the ilght of day, regardless of their quality or content.  And yes, they do use the term 'youge-'  that basically means 'crap' to refer to anything developed in the West.  Just to give you some idea of their bias. 


 You specifically state here that Western gamers give a chance to eastern games, and it doesn't happen vice versa.
 
That's quite a backpaddle, seeing how you claim it comes from both sides  now.

I don't like anime, they don't like FPS.


Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.
 
And that's the reason why Western games don't sell well in the east not because of some weird xenophobic fantasy.


 
Demon's Souls. "

 
Oh, you mean that game that sold 380,000 worldwide?of which 250,000 came from the west?with 130,000 sales coming from Japan? The same number Persona pushed Because it didn't appeal appeals to western sensibilities?
 
Nah, I must be reading that wrong.
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@Andvari:  Oops, I looked at the picture on the game description below the video to judge. My bad. Although it still looks like garbage for a new 360 game.
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We can't lock comments right?

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You don't have to kill sheep to get wool...

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Faxanadu    FTW!!! That reference makes me very happy.

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The book sounds like Sam Neil

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What the fuck is going on these comments?
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This game is a replacement for:

 
 


 

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I like the menus in this game; a lot.

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"what can you tell me about hermaphrodites?"

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That guy's face will give me nightmares.  It belongs in a Silent Hill game.

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wouldn't mind getting this game when it price drops to ~$20

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Kind of annoying that they picked what is clearly the worst part of this game for the quick look... But if all the dungeons are that repetitve I don't see how even 'crazy book magic' could make this game's combat fun.

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Wow, I thought this game totally reminded me of Ico way before Brad mentioned it.

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@SuperfluousMoniker said:

" Kind of annoying that they picked what is clearly the worst part of this game for the quick look... But if all the dungeons are that repetitve I don't see how even 'crazy book magic' could make this game's combat fun. "

They don't have the luxury to pick what part of the game to show. That's the whole point of the quick look. The person playing maybe puts in a half hour, then he grabs someone and starts recording.
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dude swings his sword like he's drunk

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Looks kinda bland. 
I have a feeling that it's aiming for an artsy look, but things like the beating up of boxes to get a map and a key feels unfinished and uncreative. I think I'll pass this game...

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My god, this looks pretty bad.

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Wow, not nearly as good as they hyped it up to be with all those mysterious trailers. Looks pretty bad, indeed.

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Is this quick look really laggy for anyone else?
 
First time it has ever happened on GB, usually videos run like butter off a hot woman's ass.

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Didn't look too bad. Maybe as a bargain buy

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Did Ryan just question weither or not he was a hermaphrodite? 
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@6:16. yep.
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I was really hoping for more. This game looks really, really dull.

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Thank god I took this out my gamefly que

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@Hilbert: Nicely done
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So it's like the Fountain.

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Brad threw away a lucrative career as a game voice actor? Sure didn't know that.

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This game makes ditch water look like the thrill ride of the century.

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I like the perspective change when entering rooms, but yeah... this game looks a little rough.

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I feel asleep while the quick look.

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@Detrian: True. He is the only one that leaves podcasts early also. He acts like he hates his job, and can't wait to get home every night. (granted, who doesn't want to go home early), but still the other 3 members all stick around for the podcast, can't see why he can't. It's his bloody job. Same with QL's. I doubt Ryan's really enjoying the game, but at least he's putting some small amount of effort in, for the sake of the video. Brad's just such a downer.
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@Andvari: Lol. You should see what happened when i started a thread critiquing Brad a fair few months back. I was just as disappointed in the GB community as you.
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Yeah, this game looks like it should've come out with the PS3 launch titles so it wouldn't look so bad. Also this looks like it's more boring than watching someone play farmville.

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uhhhh lookks lame

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@leviathan: He takes the bus...
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Nier doesn't look terribly interesting.

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@WinterSnowblind:  
 
My post obviously doesn't necessarily apply to you, as you are not instantly dismissive of Japanese games, but a lot of people here are.  Look at the folks who toss around words like 'weeaboo' and 'anime is for dicks'.  I'm not big on anime either, but blanket statements like that are just frankly stupid.   
 
Western games do not instantly get dismissed over here, I live in Japan and I know what the japanese gaming community is like.  Yes, some western games do because they don't appeal to certain sensibilities (like military shooters are just not popular here).  However, that isn't because they are made by a western developer, but because the genre itself is not popular here.  Likewise, you don't see many ren'ai games make it to the states because they just aren't a popular genre in the states.  I see commercials and relatively successful sales numbers for many other western games though, just the fact that 80% of games right now coming from the west are military shooters that aren't popular here.  There are other western games that do fine here, people give western games a fair chance if it is an interesting game.  The fact is that most games right now are of a genre that does not appeal to a Japanese audience, it has nothing to do with where the game originated from. 
 
Of course, for some people, they probably won't buy a game because it's a western thing, and they are just as bad as the people that toss around 'weeaboo' or 'look at that girly man, who wants to play that shit.  Japan sucks".  So yes, the problem exists both ways, but don't make that out to be the mainstream opinion here, as it really isn't.  
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Aaaaand, double jumping is still ridiculous.

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Grimoire Weiss: "Bah! Stop! For the love of all that is holy, stop pounding me!"
Ryan: "That's what she said."

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That's a fucking awesome run animation.

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This looks like a ps2 game
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@redrum662 said:
" This looks like a ps2 game "
But there are still some PS2 games that are quite good, so that's not always a bad thing.
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My favorite part of this quick look was the Faxanadu talk.

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That was pretty boring.

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@leviathan: i think brad a lot of the time just sounds like he doesnt care too much because he speaks very monotone-like