Unprofessional Fridays: 10/21/2016

Boom Boom Boom Boom

power button hook up is an intense operation.

Watching this as a 4 hour VOD is like watching a horror movie. You're always on pins and needles wondering when things are about to go bad.

Damn I hadn't heard Tubthumping for years until Dan played it in DDR, we used to sing it at football matches.

'I get knocked down, but I get up again, you'll never beat Grimsby Town.'

With an hour left, I'd like to think they spend the last 60 minutes yes-ing and no-ing, toing and froing over the fans.

This has been a really good stream for me to have on in the background whilst getting other things done. Perfect length for that and for dipping in and out to see how the computer building is going.

I have zero knowledge on how to build a PC, so that has stopped me getting annoyed at their apparent slow pace.

Also, can't believe you left that music looping for so long now.

This is a great video for all the people who tell you "even your grandma can build a PC nowdays, it's so easy!"

Nah son, not saying it's super difficult or anything but people without any technical knowledge have absolutely no chance of putting one together on their own.

Jeff playing the real Dark Souls.

I've seen few things in life that are nearly as unprofessional as this.

On M2 drives: they can be either SATA or PCI-E. With SATA the benefit is obvious: form factor. Beyond that there's no real difference in performance compared to a 2.5" SSD. It's the PCI M.2 drives that are much faster.

Those coolers are very effective, quiet, and not that expensive or hard to install. Jeff says "because it would be neat." In the video. It's his build, what is wrong with a closed loop CPU cooler?

Also, pro tip regarding multiple hard drives in a PC: Get a tiny little 120GB SSD for your boot drive, then an SSD for games and/or big programs, and a 2+TB storage drive. Only put your OS and basic programs (if even that) on your boot drive, move your Libraries like Documents and Pictures to the Storage drive, and any time you need or want to change/repair Windows, it's stupid simple. I'm up and running in like 30-40 minutes when I reformat.

"There's no way these new Nintendo Switch carts will hold full games!"

*Jeff, holding up the tiniest bit of hardware I've ever seen*
"This here is an entire terabyte SSD"

I think if they can fit an entire terabyte on that thing, Nintendo can find a cost-effective way to fit entire games on their carts, which are comparable in size

Fuck yeah was pleasantly suprised to hear Jean Jacques Perrey in the background.

Would like to know how many magnetized screwdrivers they get in the mail over the next couple weeks.

Hey. If you're building your first (or second) PC:

The cooler that comes with the CPU is fine. It may be a little louder under load, but it is fine.

A basic case is fine.

A basic PSU with a big mess of wires coming out of it is fine.

Don't be suckered in to all this hardcore gamer shit. Unless you are into serious overclocking (the kind where you flash your video BIOS) and the dick waving contest associated with that, it is a waste of money and will bring you pain.

These sites can help you:

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

http://pcpartpicker.com

The time to start exploring third party coolers and modular PSUs is when you build your third or fourth PC.

A stock cooler is fine in the sense that it will indeed stop your CPU from overheating. But "a little louder" is an understatement. Having a stock CPU cooler is the number one component that's going to make your computer unpleasant to be around. Loud and shrill. Enjoy trying to watch a movie or play a game with that ever-present distraction. Maybe some people can tune that sound out; I can't.

I'm not saying you have to go full water cooling to get around this, but just getting an air cooler with a larger fan that can spin more slowly makes a world of difference in how tolerable the thing is to be around.

Weird, i felt like the H100i was so much easier than any air cooler i've installed. It was literally just put the radiator where the fans go then mount it on the cpu. Backplate seemed easier for me too, i guess things are different for everybody.

I am at about 2 hours, i wonder if this will just be jeff putting this thing together himself? Takes me a long time to put together a pc too, something always seems to happen that didn't happen the last time lol.

Hey. If you're building your first (or second) PC:

The cooler that comes with the CPU is fine. It may be a little louder under load, but it is fine.

I want to say my i5 didn't come with a fan? maybe i'm tripping but i think that was the case.

Yeah, people forget how much information you need to get from the motherboard manual as you're putting things together, and those booklets are NOT known for their user-friendliness.

Newbie question. Who is Regina ?

CBS employee according the the live stream note

This isn't true in my experience. I have the stock Intel cooler and my GPU and drives are by far the loudest component in my system, the CPU cooler spins gently most of the time I want the machine to be quiet, such as when watching movies. The only time it spins up enough to be audible is when encoding video or compiling code.

It certainly used to be true back in the bad old days of the GHz wars, and I've used many crazy shaped coolers in the past with Scythe fans and so on. It just isn't necessary now, especially if you're just starting out.

If you must have silence, the first concern is the case. Get a well padded case intended for quiet PCs. If you can't find one you like, just buy some adhesive foam sheet and stick it to the inside of the case panels. I've done that before and it's surprisingly effective.

"Us just building a PC seems a little boring, we need to spice it up"

"What about if Dan dances in the corner the entire time! It's excellent use of juxtaposition"

"Yay!"

Yeah, I recently bought the same CPU that Jeff got, and it doesn't come with a fan.

I got to give you guys all the credit in the world here; I would have thought watching three dudes sit around building a PC to be literally impossible to make engaging.

Then someone had the bright idea to add DDR. Genius move. I tip my hat.

Well, from what I understand, PSUs used to come with real and "fake" Watt counts, so I guess some people still think they need bigger numbers just in case. Mine runs fine too with a 600!

the unlocked or 'K' variant processors are enthusiast, so intel shaved a few bucks off the price by not including a heatsink/fan. They just assume if you're buying it, you'll want better cooling.

That's true, numbers were fudged and there wasn't a lot of transparency on what the efficiency ratings were. Even now, though, is it not the case that the more overhead you have, the cooler your PSU is going to run at full load? Does a 1000W PSU run cooler at a 450W load than a 650W PSU?

@atomic_olive: Jason tweeted that unfortunately no such footage exists.

None of the "K" (overclockable) Intel CPUs come with a cooler anymore.

Closed loop water cooling is a reasonable solution, but it's not that much better than a good tower heatsink. They're quieter under load, but a bit louder at idle. But the GPU will be louder than either one when you're playing games so what exactly do you gain?

Even with all-in-ones being much easier than old school water cooling, they are not for neophytes. They're more complicated, they make installation harder because you have this two-piece thing with hoses to manage, and the chance for catastrophic failure is real. If you know what you're doing, go ahead. For guys like the GB team that in that journeyman zone, where they know what goes where but aren't 100% comfortable in the process, just save yourself the hassle.

I have built dozens of PCs for myself and for friends. If one of my friends wanted me to build a PC with a watercooler for him, I'd refuse. Not because I couldn't do it, but because it's enough added time, care, and responsibility that it's not the same favor.

I love you guys but watching this is killing me.

DDR and Godzilla footage are motherfuckin' made for each other.

The outside of anti-static bags is just as anti-static as the inside (at least that type). It's all conductive, it does not matter. Measure the resistance on one with a multimeter if you really want to check

@pepsiman: Thanks! I am aware of the region locking and was just going to stick to the U.S. releases because of the hassle. There were a few ps1 ddr games released here so I was wondering about them. Who knows though, maybe I'll get really into it and just have to have them.

Based on what I remember from physics class, sound waves are cumulative. Just because you have a loud thing and a not-as-loud thing, doesn't mean the total intensity is solely based on the loud thing. Everything contributes to what you ultimately hear.

Lol, what? That may have been the case a few years ago - I got a i5 6500; using stock cooler - I literally can't hear anything.

Best decision I made when building my pc was getting a Phanteks case. I have 0 clue about cable management, and my build is tidy as hell. Cases have come a long way since my old CoolerMaster Gladiator.

The only issues I had during my build (1st time I built it 100% by myself) was mounting the power supply (just wouldn't screw properly) and plugging in my USB 3.0 connectors. The USB 3.0 connector just doesn't really feel like it clicks in properly at all, I feel like I should wrap some electrical tape or some shit around it so it doesnt fall out. I actually don't know how I got it in, in the end.

Re: various..

Watercooling for lack of noise and potential to overclock like a mofo. Presumably not such an intermittent pain to clean in comparison. Not a big deal these days, as they mentioned. Not something to really complain about, Raszagal.

The PSU may sound like overkill but it won't be hitting the advertised figure, e.g. it'll be a curve with respect to the load and will max out at 80-90% efficiency probably. And, the less load / stress you place on it, the longer it'll likely last, be reliable, and safe for your other expensive bits, which he certainly has a number of.

Static seems like something you have to try to fuck with, to actually make happen and wreck your gear. Don't run your feet back and forth on carpet before copping a feel, hold an alternate hand on the case or lean onto it with skin, etc. Not hard to manage or much to worry about.

Thermal paste is the old pea-sized blob and let the heatsink come down on it to do the spreading, along with the heat and operating conditions that come after that. Pretty hard to go wrong, again, and if it you did manage to stuff it up, you'll notice (e.g. Realtemp). I wouldn't go with any stock heatsink+fan combo's byo-paste, e.g. some stock Intel crap. Does not seal up well in my experience, nor maintain it over any reasonable length of time. Even if you have some stock paste on there, clean it off and apply your own.

Please bring back DDR for another UPF. I'd like to see everyone else play :)

Will baby! Would have been cool he was there.

Fun watching Dan and his Friend.

I'm personally going for the full tower corsair case myself. Pretty much the same motherboard by gigabyte, if I use the skylake cpu.

Maaan, of course I missed UPF live on PC build/DDR (Godzilla?) night.

@raszagal: I had a pretty good aircooler, swapped it out for a big watercooler about 2 years ago. It's about half the noise and on average 10 degrees colder.

Boom boom boom boom!

Two questions for pro's.

1. So the power supply fan should always face down IF you have grating in your case to allow for the air flow? I have always mounted it fan up so that the hot air is sucked out of the case and through the back of the computer. My case sits on carpet, seems somewhat dangerous to have the fan bringing air from the bottom, though it looks like there is about half an inch of space under the case before it hits the carpet.

2. I didn't get a water cooled cpu because I was worried about the radiator noise. Two large fans + radiator noise vs one larger brown 3rd party fan. It doesn't seem like two fans would be quieter than one larger fan unless those fans can run at lower rpms.

Built a PC a couple of years ago. My first custom-built since the days of Pentium 133mhz. Took about 4 hours, like this. At the end, everything was put together, I get the monitor plugged in, I get the comp on my desk, and I realize there was no power cable included with the Power Supply.

I had to stand up and walk away I was so angry.

But I bought the cable the next morning from Radio Shack and it POSTed on the first boot and that was a huge relief and I still use that PC to this day.

@raszagal: Water cooling is not really any more complicated than air cooling, its just unnecessarily feared. In the stream, both Brad and Matt said they had to watch clips on google to figure out how to install a very typical air cooler. Not much about building a PC is complicated, it's just scary for most people simply because of the lack of experience.

Installing an air cooler / heatsink:

1) Install the backplate

2) Screw the heatsink to the backplate

3) Attach the fans to the heatsink

4) Provide power to the fans

Installing Liquid Cooling

1) Install the backplate

2) Screw the waterblock to the backplate

3) Attach the fans to the radiator

4) Mount the radiator

5) Provide power to the fans

I use custom liquid cooling rather than AIO closed systems, so you have to assemble that stuff yourself but the freedom outweighs the added difficulty. Being able to add whatever you want (like that 1080) to the loop is great, not just to keep it cool, but to keep it whisper quiet, even when gaming or stressing the cpu/gpu. Changing the brakes on my car for the first time, was harder for me than building my first computer, even with the liquid cooling.

@klyith: pretty sure it takes a LOT of effort and screwing up to get the closed loop watercooling to burst and destroy your system. but if you're afraid of the miniscule risk then ok. you can just as easily permanently destroy your system simply installing the CPU.

This is TV Gold!

High-performance CPU cooling made simple

Gone are the days when watercooling required lots of work. The H100i v2 is a closed loop design that comes pre-filled, and it comes with a modular, tool-free mounting bracket for faster installation.

Took me bloody ages putting a watercooler into my old PC. That was the first time I installed one though and I was just going by the dodgy manual. Kept my CPU lovely and cool though instead of red hot.

http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/unprofessional-fridays-02-20-2015/2300-9965/

Moral of this video, always use instructions.

also I would have just used the thermal paste that was on there, with no heat applied to it there was literally nothing wrong with it IMO.