Unprofessional Fridays: 10/21/2016

Think my old 2500K is finally starting to get too old. That and/or I need more, better RAM, cause games are starting to hitch, particularly when doing things like autosaving, which is weird and annoying.

Buying new RAM for this five year old thing is money I could instead put towards new RAM for a new thing. So I should probably take this moment to replace both CPU and RAM, plus the motherboard and hard drive.

@eduardo: I got the same GPU Jeff did, and a 6600K that I OCed to 3.8GHZ right away. I have an EVO 212 cooler on there, and have the whole thing on a 650w PSU. I think the most I have ever drawn out of that power supply, even at max load, is about 450 watts. People just seem to think you need way more power than you actually do, even as power requirements for more and more powerful cards has gone down.

Relevant:

My God, this is so true. I've built a grand total of two PCs in my lifetime and each one was a multi-day process. It's like, this isn't even difficult and I should be able to bang one out in an hour or two, but I wind up running into a major roadblock or two or three along the way that really slows me down while I do research or whatever. Maybe if I had reason to build a PC more often than once every five years.

Anyway, I'm only 20 minutes into the video and am already delighted by Dan's wide-stance, low-profile, "let's stomp around like Godzilla" method of playing DDR.

chat: Hoses Back!

and Jason held that stiff

Painful as fuck to watch you guys build a PC..but dan dancing in the corner made it possible to make it through. xo.

I might be alone in this, but I felt SO bad for Jason. His kid's birthday was the next day and he stayed for so long. I thought he was going to get punchy with Jeff but because Jason is awesome, he managed to stay chipper for the whole time. Jason you are a gentleman and a scholar.

Look to the Sky

best DDR song

turns out he got it up and running later on that night. confirmed via twitter good job jeff

I will watch any PC build made by former Whiskey Media employees.

EDIT: This ten second DDR music loop makes me want to strangle someone, preferably someone from the DDR dev team.

And everybody can settle down on the PC build critique. You're not going to kill your MB because you assembled it on the anti-static bag. Water cooling is slightly more expensive and difficult to install than air, and it's quieter. PSU up or down, you're talking a single degree of difference. Unless you have way too little or way too much thermal compound, your temps will be just fine. Yeah, there are best practices, but that's why they're called 'best' practices: get close enough and you're results will be totally OK.

I never paid that much attention building my pcs. Since like 20 years I just put the stuffs into the stuffs and then its done. Maybe I was just lucky not breaking anything.

I got angry just by remembering how to attach the 775 cooler. Goddamn, that thing was a nightmare. I migrated to a LGA 1155 socket later and it was so much easier.

I agree. The water cooling part was unnanecessary. A regular cooler or even an extra one would do the trick.

I've been building PCs for a decade and a half and made the exact same mistake with that Corsair cooler backplate ... and this was on my own, in good lighting and armed with manuals and YouTube installation videos.

I've escaped without cutting myself just the once.

I take it you haven't watched a lot of the classic content with Ryan hosting? Jeff on the couch was the norm until UPF happened, most of the time.

I started watching in late 2013 (though I'd been listening to the podcast for a couple years before that). I've watched a lot of the back catalog, but the default in my head is the UPF setup.

I learned to build a PC 11 years ago as part of work experience at a computer repair place, i knew what most of the components were through osmosis so that helped, i watched the engineer build a PC from scratch then he asked me to build 5 more while he stepped out. It's pretty easy to do after that amount of learning, but you're always going to want Google nearby for any weird things that pop up.
I'm too lazy now and always get mine pre-built by professionals (i didn't pursue a career in computers), but i still frequently replace parts and dink around inside.

It's brilliant, it sounds like a hassle and it used to be, but modern water cooling is set it and forget it, once it's in you don't need to think about it, CPU temperatures are much much lower and the fan spins multiple times slower and quieter than a standard heatsink. The only thing i'd say is that the double fan ones like Jeff has here don't seem worth it, i have a single fan radiator in mine and it's barely tasked.

DDR = Dirty Dan-cing Rykert

You're a good (and patient, and generous) man, Jason! <3

Have a lovely weekend, Duder.

P.S. Your Halloween Tree is such a brilliant idea. I love it!

I've had my i5 2500k for probably 4 maybe 5 years. I recently picked up an RX 480 to replace my GTX 560. Then I overclocked my CPU to 4.3Ghz and I can run Forza on high with virtually no stuttering, but it is very minor. Spent about $350(GPU and a cooler) and its like I've got a brand new PC!

this.

YES!!! What a wonderful surprise; am also getting ready to build my first PC and sparing no expense, so this couldn't have come at a more perfect time. Thanks fellas!

I watched all of this waiting for the realisation that the radiator and fans were done wrong. Jeff seemed to get close to grasping it but continued to do it wrong anyway.

Rightly the fans should be pushing air through the radiator, but it should be pushing cold air from outside the machine through the radiator, cooling the liquid that goes on to cool the component. The way Jeff did it was pushing air from inside the machine (warm air that is) through the radiator, warming the water, which then goes on to warm the component.

Please correct me if im wrong, but that is my understanding of water cooling and has worked great for me.

• Even a low end closed loop cooler will keep you CPU 3c to 5c cooler than a big air cooler.
• A high-end closed loop can be up to 7c to 9c cooler if you have enough radiator and fan control
• A water cooler take up less room in the middle of your mobo allowing for bigger ram, more airflow in the case for the other parts, and less chance of getting in the way of everything.
• Water coolers put less weigh on the mobo connection points, you are LITERALLY hanging less weight off these four holes than most of the bigger air coolers.
• In a windowed case a closed loop literally is less in the way...the point a windowed case is to see the fancy mobo, the color matched RAM and your neat wiring SO WHY HIDE IT behind a huge air cooler?
• A decent closed loop is about $25 more than a Cooler Master Hyper 212 of a Noctua NH-D14, we are not talking about much added cost to get better cooling, more room, better airflow, and a most pleasing look.
  
  Yes, you have to fiddle, and plan, and flip them around to find how it will fit best into your case. But in the end, $25 more gets you a numerous advantages. Closed loop coolers are a lot better, more trustworthy than they were five years ago when they first started showing up.

@afashionablehat: TNT was basically the same show as UPF back in 2012/2013. My favorite UPF episodes is with the gang playing local multiplayer games together anyway, or like this one when it differs from the regular everyone-plays-a-game-each format.

because its the smart and sensible thing to do?

Built my first computer about a year ago, and there was no fancy cooler, but I did not have an easy time either. Similarly I did not enjoy screwing various things in, and I screwed (no pun intended) up a few times on various things. Can relate to the crew's difficulties.

100%. also- anytime you're learning as you go the process will take substantially longer. jeff said himself it had been awhile, and he was using component-types that were new to him, so it's pretty easy to see why it took so long.

turns out, reading the manual (or youtube for the poorly written ones) is still kinda a thing with PCs- especially if you don't build often.

but props to them for trying to wing it live- must have been stressful.

oh by the way- HOSES BACK.

1:48 mins Dan: it's almost done?

HAHAHAHAHA

I'm impressed Jeff got his soup bones to fit in that case.

this video is taunting me to make some poor decisions with my money today, tbph...

@monkeyking1969: It doesn't really matter. CPU is meant to operate within specific TDP. Going above it can be harmful, but going below it achieves nothing.

Some say that on quiet nights you can still hear Jeff trying to piece together his computer to this very day.

@gyozilla: i totally get that, and i'm not saying they should've stayed if they had other plan. But maybe it's better to schedule the stream earlier during the day or week to counter this?

I spent 7 hours yesterday building my own PC with many of the same parts, so it was pretty cathartic to watch this at the end of it.

@raszagal said:

Not at all, actually, unless you're the type of person to scrutinize every detail of someone's custom PC. In that case, that's your prerogative.

Wow. 4 hours UPF. That's nuts haha

Certainly willing to try new things and ask lots of questions - which is great - but "learning" implies that you retain some of the knowledge.

I would have turned the radiator 180 degrees (as jason initially was gonna put it in. Now it is messing with the back fan's air flow. Important stuff!

First rule of PC building. It always takes longer than you think it will.

Yup. He's always interested in "learning" until something happens that isn't "normal."

"Just be normal!"

so weird seeing Jeff not in the main chair at the start yo

As a pc tech myself this was too painful to watch, but damn I'm looking forward to the highlight reel.

Wow, it only took Brad three minutes the last time GB build a PC...

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shake you like a bambar

Much respect to the Matt Rorie film knowledge on the Wolfgang Petersen connection. Also in keeping the convo going during the nerved assembly.

My water cooler leaked on my 780ti and motherboard.

Never again.

Boom boom boom boom