Something went wrong. Try again later

Giant Bomb News

290 Comments

Microsoft Digs Bigger Hole Over Used Games

The company has assigned Major Nelson the task of trying (and failing) to clarify its stance with Xbox One.

No Caption Provided

In a bizarre attempt to provide “clarification” over the mixed signals on how Xbox One will handle used games, Xbox evangelist Larry “Major Nelson” Hryb has issued a statement meant to clarify the company’s stance. The statement does not succeed in doing that.

Here’s what he passed along:

“The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future.”

This conversation about used games as we become digital consumers was coming, and it was only a matter of which hardware manufacturer pulled the trigger first. Why, though, would Microsoft decide to stick its foot into the used games discussion without specific answers for consumers? There’s no room for half measures with used games. You are taking away some consumer rights, and if consumers are gaining anything in this transaction, Microsoft needed to make that clear from the very beginning.

Now, it's backpedaling. Now, it's trying to clarify. That means you've already lost the messaging war.

It’s possible there’s actually a pretty reasonable situation where players have the ability to turn in digital licenses for purchased games in exchange for Microsoft Points to spend on the Xbox Marketplace and used games continue to exist at GameStop and other retailers. Since the details of those arrangements is clearly changing, the onus would be on Microsoft to make the coming changes abundantly transparent.

Microsoft didn't, and it wants to pretend it's not its fault.

The statement itself is a joke, too.

“Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete.”

Microsoft is the one who put its executives and representatives in front of the press earlier this week, and presented increasingly conflicted information. The problem has been getting anything remotely resembling a clear answer out of them. The press hasn’t mangled Microsoft’s message, it’s that Microsoft has very little to say, and wants to point the blame at someone else with the wave of a hand. It won't work.

Sorry, Microsoft. It’s your problem, not mine. Try a little honesty next time?

Patrick Klepek on Google+

290 Comments

Avatar image for crash_happy
Crash_Happy

816

Forum Posts

283

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 3

Put out the idea that it's £35 and then later say it's really "only" 20. There will always be people that say "well at least it's not 35". It's the false attribution of value that we are all capable of falling for. And certainly Sony must be in on this too.

Avatar image for tortoise
Tortoise

291

Forum Posts

364

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By Tortoise

At some point if you can't just put in a game and play it, the hardware stops being a console. That plug-in and go element is what really differentiates consoles from PC's for me. If you have to have an internet connection to verify, a mandatory install process and maybe pay a fee if the disc you're holding happens to have been used before (I assume there won't be a way of seeing it on the disc physically) then that immediacy is lost. At that point a "steambox" gaming PC in the living room becomes so much more appealing because it does the same thing but it is attached to the much better steam ecosystem and is much more customisable. Also it doesn't come with f-ing kinect.

Avatar image for president_barackbar
President_Barackbar

3648

Forum Posts

853

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

@mpgeist said:

I have an honest question, hopefully it's not dumb. So many other industries have their goods sold used, like cars, sporting goods, pc components, appliances, etc. Maybe I just don't read enough about other industries, but why does it seem like video game publishers/companies are the only ones who throw a hissy fit about used sales? Also why do they assume every used game sold automatically means a new game sale taken away? Maybe if there were no used games available the person who would buy a used game, just wouldn't buy the game at all.

It just feels like since they're completely ineffective at combating piracy, they're just picking on an easy target.

Please don't scorn me for my naivete, lol.

I don't really get it either to be perfectly honest. That's always been game companies rationale for piracy as well, that 1 pirated copy equals 1 lost sale. I think it mostly has to do with the constant tension between games as a service and games as a product. When games are a service, they can make more money off of people and aren't obligated to keep them running for as long.

Avatar image for shishkebab09
shishkebab09

154

Forum Posts

132

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

Edited By shishkebab09

@poheroe said:

i am going to buy it and you are going to buy it(ps4 or xbox one) stop bitching about it!!! if you re still with a 10 year generation console ONLY you have nothing to say until you owned!lets move on shall we?

This comment is so odd, even if I am translating it correctly from whatever dialect you're speaking. This machine will probably cost hundreds of dollars. Are you saying there's no point in researching whether it would be a good purchase? Especially when there will be other, probably similarly priced, options?

Avatar image for golguin
golguin

5471

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 10

Edited By golguin

Every friend and cousin that I've told about the used game fee and the online 24 hour check has had major issues with it. None of them were impressed by the TV integration and fantasy football stuff and these are people that don't go to video game websites.

Microsoft has lost its mind if they think that the vast majority of people are doing to be fine with blocking out the ability to let friends borrow games. The vast majority of people share video games and swap games for weeks at a time. What the hell were they smoking?

Avatar image for honkyjesus
honkyjesus

140

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

Microsoft and EA are a marriage in heaven.

I like Microsoft's message about their policies, here.

"We don't appreciate media printing what we are saying. We didn't say that. We aren't commenting about this until a later date. Oh, but let me just say this... "

I haven't seen such a shitstorm that was self imposed in a while. They may have screwed up their whole launch, and it seemingly went according to their plan.

Hilarious.

Avatar image for poheroe
poheroe

169

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

i am going to buy it and you are going to buy it(ps4 or xbox one) stop bitching about it!!! if you re still with a 10 year generation console ONLY you have nothing to say until you owned!lets move on shall we?

Avatar image for soviut
Soviut

168

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I can't say I've ever felt ripped off by Steam or mobile platforms because I can't buy or sell used games. To me, the whole notion of that is a weird loophole in the physical media vs software license. If you've ever built computers in an office or studio environment, you'd know that stacks and stack of Windows install discs mean nothing without the license.

Frankly, I'm surprised the Xbox One even has a physical media drive. By the time you're halfway to the store, I've already downloaded, installed and started playing Bioshock Infinite on Steam.

Avatar image for bgdiner
bgdiner

315

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 13

User Lists: 0

Edited By bgdiner

@koobz: I do see where you're coming from; the piece comes off as caustic and vitriolic. However, Patrick is also a consumer, and there's no reason why he has to patronize his readers with reports of "Microsoft is working to clarify the issue". I'm sure that, like many, he is pissed off by this flagrant lack of explanation about how the used game situation will be handled, and he has a right to be. Like a poster said below, one doesn't come to Giantbomb for a balanced and politically-correct look at the gaming industry. There's going to be a polemic about certain issues, and this one of this biggest in a while. It parallels my feelings well, and probably others' too.

Avatar image for dan_citi
Dan_CiTi

5601

Forum Posts

308

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By Dan_CiTi

The problem with this is that they could "play nice" so to speak from now until after launch and in like a year change the policy once they have a satisfactory install base, because these consoles are so advanced, have such a good basis for updates(as they commented it is built for updates and apps), etc. that a not-so-complicated/quick firmware update could just shift a few things around, and it is not as if people will actually care enough about it to all return their consoles and never buy from Microsoft (or Sony) again.

The entire appeal of the Xbox One seems strange to me, it just has slightly better versions of all of the apps on a good Smart TV, with gimmicky gesture/voice commands that are either impractical, slower than using a controller, or at worst make you look like a huge ass using them. Sorry Microsoft, I don't need my TV sold back to me, I definitely don't need something in between me and my TV, and guess what, my TV works very well without any consoles hooked up to it, any kind of Xbox? Not so much.

@imsorrymsjackson said:

I might be drunk but I am going to miss your reporting Partrick, I am worried that this site will lose something with you moving away. I love the Giantbomb crew and have since the old days but they truely are losing someone special with you. Good luck sir.

:)

Avatar image for donpixel
DonPixel

2867

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

X-BOOONED

Avatar image for furiousjodo
furiousjodo

206

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Totally agree with you.

Avatar image for ei8htbit
ei8htbit

107

Forum Posts

29

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@patrickklepek

"The statement itself is a joke, too [...] Sorry, Microsoft. It’s your problem, not mine. Try a little honesty next time?"

Classy journalism right there. Trying to create controversy over a statement that doesn't attack or blame anyone seems irresponsible and, frankly, out of character for this site. There's a difference between "tellin it like it is" and "playing to the easy crowd" and then there's just flagrant, targeted cynicism in the context of conveying a news story that comes off as entirely unprofessional.

Then again it WAS a Friday, ok that checks out I guess, don't mind me.

Looking forward to E3 coverage around the corner - I just hope everything works out and all these future of gaming consoles eventually get released without anyone getting seriously injured.

Avatar image for jiggajoe14
jiggajoe14

1826

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 12

@koobz said:

@giovanni said:

@kindx said:

How is this news? It sounds more like a journalist fulfilling his secret vendetta.

lol What does that even mean? Yeah, I bet Patrick really has a vendetta against Microsoft. Are you fucking kidding me?

I'm not sure about a vendetta but I have to agree this article comes across as a bitter and caustic blog post, not a helpful or interesting news update or thoughtful opinion piece.

This article seems as if it's supposed to be reporting the news, but the news as it reads to me is "I am Patrick Klepeck and I'm really frustrated by Microsoft messaging right now, ugh they are the worst." (Which, to be fair, is apparently a fairly popular opinion on the internet right now.)

He's reporting he doesn't have the facts he wants to report on because Microsoft doesn't have a good enough press release prepared for him yet, and that means they have failed.

It comes across to me as angry and humorless and it kind of bums me out :(

Yes Microsoft has failed on this front. The messages for a brand spanking new console they've sent out are so unclear and contradictory (ex. Phil Harrison's statements about used games and then the vague press statements from Microsoft regarding how used games will be handled) and a new statement has just been released that hardly clears up a damn thing. This is a big issue for a lot of people and Microsoft has hardly made an attempt to separate the truth from crap that every message board poster is jumping on and making me go insane from their speculation (it's like Microsoft has destroyed every Dairy Queen on earth and people are losing their shit).

Avatar image for ntm
NTM

12222

Forum Posts

38

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By NTM

I think they stepped in the discussion without any answers to show that the people thinking about this problem are 'important', but they want to hold out for later to release more news.

Avatar image for hollitz
hollitz

2398

Forum Posts

5

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 12

Eloquently put.

Also fuck you for leaving the office.

But good for you in taking steps to improve your personal life.

But also fuck you :(

Avatar image for yukoasho
yukoasho

2247

Forum Posts

6076

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@voysa_reezun: It might end up being worse if they're not clear until after release. You know Fox News is going to somehow make this sound worse when the complaints start pouring in. They'll have a month or two of good sales, whereas Nintendo and Sony suck out their market for years to come.

@lpraver89: This DOES have more than a few parallels to Win8, yeah.

Avatar image for prezabelincoln
prezabelincoln

82

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

This is not the first time recently that Microsoft blames its problems on other people. Does anyone else remember how it was all the Hardware developers fault that people didn't buy Windows 8? Maybe they should stop telling us what we want and actually ask us.

Avatar image for internetdetective
InternetDetective

356

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Great article Patrick. The way Microsoft handled this has been deceptive at worst and unprofessional at best.

Avatar image for d3adend
D3adend

53

Forum Posts

15

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

God damn, Microsoft is acting like wimps about this shit.

They know and we know that whatever they have going is going to be shitty and anti-consumer.

But they apparently don't think they can say exactly what their plan is, instead issuing vague thoughts on everything. The Xbone might be the most activly anti-customer device created so far.

The Iphone is more fair to customers, as AT LEAST YOU KEEP YOUR APPS!

The thing that I really don't get is how many people shrug and go "oh, well, whatever." about it, instead of what I think is the proper tone, which is disgust.

I also want to drop the reason why PC gamers don't get as angry about the same situation on PC, which is a 3 parter.

1. Cheaper prices.

2. Better long term support, I'm pretty sure I can go play every game I bought (aside from MMOs) from the last 12 years on my PC.

3. We can pirate the single player part of almost every game within 1 week of it's release. When PC gamers buy a game, it's not because "it's the only option" or really about "not breaking the law" but because "this game deserves my damn money."

None of those factors will probably apply to the Xbone.

Avatar image for takkun169
takkun169

72

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By takkun169

All of these questions were brought up by leaks months ago, and that makes this entire situation that much more unfathomable. How could they not have known these questions were going to be asked? How could they not have been prepared to answer them and answer them clearly? They have had two months to be prepared for it! These people have their heads stuck so far up their own assholes they have NO idea what the common perception of them is and have no idea how to combat it. It's kind of pathetic.

Avatar image for mpgeist
mpgeist

664

Forum Posts

5

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

I have an honest question, hopefully it's not dumb. So many other industries have their goods sold used, like cars, sporting goods, pc components, appliances, etc. Maybe I just don't read enough about other industries, but why does it seem like video game publishers/companies are the only ones who throw a hissy fit about used sales? Also why do they assume every used game sold automatically means a new game sale taken away? Maybe if there were no used games available the person who would buy a used game, just wouldn't buy the game at all.

It just feels like since they're completely ineffective at combating piracy, they're just picking on an easy target.

Please don't scorn me for my naivete, lol.

Avatar image for tetharion
Tetharion

26

Forum Posts

48

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

Edited By Tetharion

I can't believe I even have to say this, but:

Thank you Patrick (and GiantBomb) for being one of the few ones who side with the consumers... not only in that case, but in general

Avatar image for spiritof
Spiritof

2471

Forum Posts

28754

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 25

User Lists: 27

@unholyone123 said:

This pretty much sums it up.

Loading Video...

LMFAOOOOOOOO Television, TV, Television, Television, TV

Hey, that made Call of Duty more relevant to me than it has in the last 4 years combined.

Avatar image for oursin_360
OurSin_360

6675

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By OurSin_360

This pretty much sums it up.

Loading Video...

LMFAOOOOOOOO Television, TV, Television, Television, TV

Avatar image for giovanni
GioVANNI

1318

Forum Posts

3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@koobz: Who said it was supposed to be solely a news piece? One of the major reason I go on Giant Bomb is because I like to hear and read about the crew's opinions. Patrick shouldn't be accused of "having a vendetta" because he's vetting Microsoft's bullshit in an opinion piece.

Avatar image for teenagejesussuperstar
TeenageJesusSuperstar

278

Forum Posts

7177

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 17

Microsoft: *whistles*

[Sony: *whistles harder*]

Avatar image for vackillers
VACkillers

1286

Forum Posts

82

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 4

well fucking said there Patrick... This whole situation with the used games is an absolute joke... No one is scrambling anything!! everyone is just reporting EXACTLY what microsoft have said themselfs about the whole situation, and without a difinitive answer on ANYTHING at ALL !! now people are left to interprit what microsoft have said and translate the scrambled message into what it is.... Its their fault, it has absolutely nothing to do with the reporting... They should clean up their own mess... its obvious whats going on here... they want to or shall i say, HOPING that Sony comes out and says the same thing to take the heat of not allowing reselling of used games.

They just need to come right out and say it in my opinion, welcome to PC gaming all... Having used games go down the route of un-licensing your games via your xbox live account, and then having to wait to get microsoft points in stead of actual money, and then confusing info about perhaps being able to take it back to places like gamespot, or 3 day game keys for places like gamefly is just pure guess work, you really think people are going go through ALL that trouble? you think publishers are going to go through all the trouble of handing out 1-3 day game keys for their own games, have any idea how many keys that would take? millions!!! start doing that kind of stuff, your just on your way to pissing off the majority of consumers. That is just simply a LOT of work for just simply used games, I cannot imagine that many people going through all that trouble just to sell or "trade in" a used game.... The used game market is coming to a close for the newer systems and MS just simply needs to come out and say that...

Avatar image for koobz
koobz

431

Forum Posts

3093

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@giovanni said:

@kindx said:

How is this news? It sounds more like a journalist fulfilling his secret vendetta.

lol What does that even mean? Yeah, I bet Patrick really has a vendetta against Microsoft. Are you fucking kidding me?

I'm not sure about a vendetta but I have to agree this article comes across as a bitter and caustic blog post, not a helpful or interesting news update or thoughtful opinion piece.

This article seems as if it's supposed to be reporting the news, but the news as it reads to me is "I am Patrick Klepeck and I'm really frustrated by Microsoft messaging right now, ugh they are the worst." (Which, to be fair, is apparently a fairly popular opinion on the internet right now.)

He's reporting he doesn't have the facts he wants to report on because Microsoft doesn't have a good enough press release prepared for him yet, and that means they have failed.

It comes across to me as angry and humorless and it kind of bums me out :(

Avatar image for rowr
Rowr

5861

Forum Posts

249

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 3

Maybe if they don't talk about it no-one will notice >.>

It's obviously bad news for consumers if they are having so much trouble trying to sugar coat whatever it is they are doing that they just look shifty and deceiving. If it's really not that bad why would they go to such great lengths to try not to explain the situation.

Personally I couldn't give a fuck about the used game market, It's bad for developers and the future is digital distribution anyway.

Avatar image for pimblycharles
PimblyCharles

1922

Forum Posts

102

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By PimblyCharles

This pretty much sums it up.

Loading Video...

thanks for this, got a real good laugh.

Avatar image for giovanni
GioVANNI

1318

Forum Posts

3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@kindx said:

How is this news? It sounds more like a journalist fulfilling his secret vendetta.

lol What does that even mean? Yeah, I bet Patrick really has a vendetta against Microsoft. Are you fucking kidding me?

Avatar image for benspyda
benspyda

2128

Forum Posts

2

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 14

Maybe if you could unsign a disc from your account and then resell it. If you could remove cd keys from your account wouldn't that fix just about everything. That is everything but Microsoft making more money out of each resale.

Avatar image for arrested_developer
Arrested_Developer

855

Forum Posts

180

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

It's really a non-issue for me, apparently that puts me in the minority.

Avatar image for kindgineer
kindgineer

3102

Forum Posts

969

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

How is this news? It sounds more like a journalist fulfilling his secret vendetta.

Avatar image for unholyone123
unholyone123

203

Forum Posts

13

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

Edited By unholyone123

This pretty much sums it up.

Loading Video...

Avatar image for big_jon
big_jon

6533

Forum Posts

2539

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 18

Edited By big_jon

Wow Patrick, this is not news, they will clarify later, which will still be before the machine is released, stop making a big deal out of what is essentially nothing.

Avatar image for mrmazz
MrMazz

1262

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 1

@baltimore: The "fee" being something between a used game store and Microsoft I think makes a lot of sense. Publishers and developers should get paid for their games. Anything to stop companies from closing or not taking risks is a good thing.

But they were already paid for their work when the product was bought the first time. do car manufactures get a cut off of used cars? (partly serious question)

Avatar image for echoecho
EchoEcho

879

Forum Posts

47

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By EchoEcho

I am Jack's utter contempt & disgust. Hell, I'm surprised nobody is raising a furious stink about the toss out of backwards compatibility! I've got a significant investment in 360 games, some I haven't even played yet. I was going to to play those on the new Xbox...until they just threw the feauture out the window. That was the only thing I cared about. Now my Collectors Editions of Fallout: New Vegas, Duke Nukem, Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2...well in a few years from now it'll be worthless land fill because nobody will be able to use them as the 360 device fades into the sunset. What's the point in buying games if I have to chuck them when the Console goes away? It's getting close to the point where I might start going to Pirate Bay for my gaming needs. Had I the PC version of my collectible's, I wouldn't feel so fucked over by Mr. Softy. I don't care about its TV features. I wonder if they'll start bricking 360s at some point in the future for those that don't upgrade. And how much more is the fucking monthly going to be for XBL with all those crap-ass features they've tacked on? Screw Microsoft.

Backwards compatibility isn't just a switch they can flip. The Xbox 360 and Xbox One have completely different architecture, and games programmed for the 360 are not going to magically "just work" on the new hardware. They would have to be recoded.

Considering it would probably add a significant additional chunk to the cost of the system if they put a 360 SOC in there to run legacy games, I would rather they not. And writing emulation software in an attempt to brute-force it never panned out especially well on the 360 for playing original Xbox games, with many of them completely unable to be emulated, and several others having all kinds of issues due to imperfect emulation.

The 360 is never going to just stop working. I can still fire up my original Xbox and play games on it; the only thing that doesn't function is Live. Considering all those games you listed are single player experiences, you don't even have anything to worry about. If you want to play Fallout or Mass Effect, then plug in your 360 and play them -- you don't need any kind of online authentication for it.

I thought last gen would have proven that backwards compatibility is never a given, and usually for good reason. If there was an easy, inexpensive (for the consumer) way to include backward compatibility in their system, that would be a selling point, they would want to have it -- the assumption that they are ignoring it just to screw us over is misguided.

Avatar image for nobullet
NoBullet

8

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Ok Patrick is in the wrong here.

Nelson made this statement regarding the MVC story about the used games policy and how it works. Not about the stories coming from the event. smh

Avatar image for b4d533d
b4d533d

38

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@fmr1977: major nelson is a corporate stooge, and you feel sorry for him for being told what to say? that's his fukin job. i just wish he wasn't so transparent and annoying to listen to.

Avatar image for meptron
meptron

1343

Forum Posts

5654

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 17

Edited By meptron

@tenaciousdave: yeah,I was thinking the same thing. Pretty sure they say the reaction and got pretty nervous about their plans changes.

Avatar image for eccentrix
eccentrix

3250

Forum Posts

12459

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 15

@artraider said:

@excast: I do not think they are making the console for us,they are likely targeting a audiance who is more interested in tv watching and a has a bit of ADD.

This is the best summary I've seen of what they presented at their conference. Their best use case for the multitasking is not wanting to wait the <2 minutes it takes to find a game.

I would've liked to hear more about the gameplay sharing stuff, but apparently I blinked and missed it. Maybe he wanted to show us how to change channels again.

Avatar image for oursin_360
OurSin_360

6675

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Sony has no need to advertise anymore, they can just let Microsoft do it for them

Avatar image for quantris
Quantris

1524

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Quantris

@patrickklepek: I put this on your twitter as well, http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publishers-to-receive-cut-of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales-at-retail/0116137 I have heard this same statement from a number of my friends in the industry.

Nice link, thanks for posting it. That is pretty draconian stuff IMO, and I think the consumer reaction will just get worse as more information on how the system will work gets released.

Personally I've been relatively PC-focused this generation; not having time to keep up with the latest releases means that I'm not bothered by waiting for Steam sales etc. [I do have a Wii and I'm probably one of the few that still plays it, and occasional access to roommates' PS3 / X360 has meant I don't feel like I missed anything major]. This system sounds very similar to Steamworks (if you buy a Steamworks game at retail and link it to your account, you can't transfer it to someone else even though you bought a physical disc). So far I think most people are OK with that deal because 1) there aren't a huge number of popular, retail Steamworks games (that number is growing though) and 2) by the time people are looking to pick up a used copy, chances are that Steam is offering or has offered a significantly reduced price. It is definitely my second least favourite part of Steam though (the first being that I can't play two different games on two different machines at the same time).

Bringing the same model to console games sounds crazy to me. It will definitely be disruptive to the status quo considering how big the used game / trade-in market currently is (IIRC Gamestop basically owes their existence to it). Not to mention the spectre of potentially losing the ability to play your games because of a computer error / hackers / evil game store employee / overzealous XBox Live mod.

Avatar image for legalbagel
LegalBagel

1955

Forum Posts

1590

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 7

Edited By LegalBagel

@artisanbreads said:

@amikron said:

@artisanbreads: Go back and compare it to the reaction Sony got for their nothing of a conference too. It is hilarious how much shit MS is getting here for actually showing something.

Hell the only thing of merit at the PS4 event was Watch_Dogs and I'm certainly not getting that on a console.

I have to agree. Sony's was fine too, but to by comparison think it was amazing and this was the worst thing ever? People like Killzone that much?

The thing is Sony provided zero, ZERO, clarity about used games. They could have the exact same, or a worse, system for all we know.

Whatever happens, you think Microsoft would have a super restricting system and Sony wouldn't? You think they aren't on the same page, or at least on a very similar one, in regards to used games? People at Microsoft, and Sony, are not idiots.

People just have no patience and love to get outraged I guess? That's all I've gotten out of this Xbox conference. Frankly the comments have been embarrassing to read. I lurk NeoGAF at work and I haven't been able to bring myself to for the last couple days because it's literally embarrassing for me to read, I can't take it.

The point is that Sony said one thing and that was they were not talking about it yet, but assured used games will work on their system. MS had multiple people say multiple things which they have tried to clarify is wrong, but the question remains. People are poking and prodding more because MS opened themselves up a little to that question. Like said in the article, MS finds itself backpedaling.

Yes, a little more patience would be good. But again, it was MS opening themselves up to the question by giving answers in a non-unified manner. Now they will be under more scrutiny, because of what a couple of MS employees said and people are latching onto any information they can get.

Also the point of the Sony conference was not the games itself, but technical stuff that games could do on the PS4 that would lure in developers to develop for them. Showing a developer like Jonathan Blow, who was very outspoken against MS, at the conference shows that Sony is very interested in smaller developers whereas there have been rumors that MS is ignoring the indie teams. PS4 conference aimed at developers to regain support and be mostly about the gaming audience. XBOne conference aimed at a broader audience.

Honestly, Playstation already does something similar to Microsoft on an optional basis. If you're a PS+ member you get all these free games, but only get to keep playing them while you're a PS+ member. That requires some DRM and tracking of your account and games to enforce. People don't complain because PS+ is a pretty great deal, just like Steam.

I wouldn't be surprised if they push that further for digital games - digital purchases are cheaper or subscription based, you can link them to your account, have quick access, reinstall at will, maybe even play off the cloud later on. All the benefits of Steam. But for discs things stay as they were. That seems like the best way to move forward in terms of having a Steam-like digital library for people who want it without leaving behind the people who don't want the associated DRM or who buy used.

Avatar image for robo
Robo

988

Forum Posts

5

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

The only digging I'm seeing is all these reports touting cynical speculation and paranoid concerns as hard facts when Microsoft hasn't actually said much of anything.

That is, aside from stepping in to try and squash all the rampant bullshit spreading like wildfire thanks to this bandwagon anxious to fill in any and every gap with the worst possible scenario.

I mean, Christ. Give them a little credit and back off until they actually fill in those gaps themselves. They're obviously not out to lose money and piss off everyone.

This is why companies like Sony, Blizzard, Valve, Apple, etc. don't say shit until every detail is hammered out. Of course by then you usually just have to deal with their decisions, like them or not.

Avatar image for enigma_2099
Enigma_2099

166

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for mindchamber
MindChamber

414

Forum Posts

68

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 2

Edited By MindChamber

@jsnyder82: because he is a caricature, and not a real human being, and shouldn't be considered as such.

Avatar image for trilogy
Trilogy

3241

Forum Posts

210

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 15

Edited By Trilogy

Here's the thing...if it's going to be like steam, then I have no problem with it. There's no such thing as used pc games, and nobody complains about it there. The difference is the frequency and volume of deals on steam that I don't think Microsoft is at all interested in adopting. The would of employed it already on 360 if they were interested in it.

People rent/buy used console games to save money. PC gamers buy steam sales to save money. If Microsoft wants to play Valve's game, then they have to go all the way with it. Otherwise they can't compete for my money.

All of this really makes me wonder what Sony has up their sleeve. A lot of us have been praising Sony's approach to next gen, but I wouldn't be so hasty until we learn more details.