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Silicon Knights Ordered to Destroy All Unsold Materials Using Unreal Engine 3

All unsold copies of Too Human and X-Men: Destiny to be destroyed, so better get 'em while they're hot! Or, you know...not...

Silicon Knights head Denis Dyack, presumably thinking about his ever-lengthening enemies list.
Silicon Knights head Denis Dyack, presumably thinking about his ever-lengthening enemies list.

Silicon Knights has not been having a good run of late. First, there was the unceremonious dumping of X-Men: Destiny at retail by publisher Activision, who it turns out had a number of good reasons to pretend that game never happened. Then the Canadian developer lost its lawsuit against engine-maker Epic Games, which it had sued over supposed breaches of contract in licensing the company's Unreal Engine 3. Not only did they lose that suit, but they also lost the countersuit filed by Epic, which awarded them $4.45 million in damages, as well as Epic's legal costs. Now, if you can believe it, things just got even lousier.

Silicon Knights has been ordered by a North Carolina district judge to destroy all unsold materials featuring any aspect of Unreal Engine 3. This includes unsold copies of both X-Men: Destiny and Too Human, the Xbox 360 RPG that started this lawsuit mess to begin with. This also includes unfinished projects supposedly in development at one time or another at Silicon Knights, which are listed in the order as The Box/Ritualyst (a survival horror game canceled by Sega back in 2008), Siren in the Maelstrom (a game rumored to be in current development at the studio), and The Sandman (unknown as of press time).

This has to be a particularly bitter pill to swallow for company head Denis Dyack, who famously filed the suit due to issues he believed were inherent to the Unreal Engine. Dyack fumed about how the studio had to rework much of the Unreal Engine to make it work for Too Human, essentially building a new engine around various aspects of Unreal 3. Now, because the engine features holdover elements from Unreal 3, he's being ordered to recall unsold products, cancel (or, at least, put on hold) current projects, and pay even more money in legal costs and fines. There is not a Price Is Right losing horn loud enough to handle this situation.

On the plus side, that copy of X-Men: Destiny you regretted buying just became something of a collector's item. Maybe. Okay, probably not. I'm trying to find a silver lining here.

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Edited By landon

Really wish Too Human could have got a sequel. There were enough cool parts about it that I think 2 Human would have been a really good game.

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All that has happened to this man/that company is karmic payback for not putting out eternal darkness 2. Jerks.

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From K-I-S-S-I-N-G in a tree with Nintendo to now being at what must be the brink of bankruptcy....Oh how the mighty have fallen.

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Too Human is really a damn shame. It's a really good game with a fascinating storyline and fun co-op as well. It's just that the goddamn Valkyries are so fucking slow.

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@GERALTITUDE: Supposedly Silicon Knights consists of less than 5 people now, at least according to that Kotaku story from a little while back. If that's true they were already dead in everything but name, and very few people will be hurt by this new predicament. Of course that doesn't make it any better that they already got screwed over by the terrible mistakes of their boss.

Everyone should read that story if they haven't yet (http://kotaku.com/5955223/what-went-wrong-with-silicon-knights-x+men-destiny). Even if you're someone who hates Kotaku or Gawker in general it's a really interesting story.

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@Foxillusion said:

All that has happened to this man/that company is karmic payback for not putting out eternal darkness 2. Jerks.

If you read the kotaku piece, linked all over this page, you'll see that that's all he wanted to do, and didn't mind defrauding publishers out of money to finance it. He's lucky Microsoft and Activision haven't raped him out of a few more million dollars.

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Edited By GERALTITUDE

Yeah I saw that fact popping up in the forum. While it may be true that SK is only five people now, it doesn't mean that all those people who used to be at SK aren't bummed about their work vanishing. I imagine people who used to work there now also can't use any unfinished assets in their portfolios either when looking for work (unless they grabbed copies earlier?). I'm just bummed I guess. Reading that story now!

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I wonder if any books have been destroyed because the company who printed it had to do so by drastically modifying another company's printing machine and infringed on a patent in the course of doing so.

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That really sucks. I enjoyed the heck out of Too Human.

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it said "unsold" right ? just sell them all for "pay what you want" online .. problem solved

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This wouldn't have happened if we had our one console future.

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@zombie2011 said:

Too Human should get a sequel! That game had a ton of little design flaws that could easily be fixed in a second game.

I can agree with this but I want it outsourced to someone else. Let SK hand over a broad design and some concepts, and let someone else execute it without Denis being allowed to publicly talk about or overseee it. Same goes for an Eterenal Darkness sequel.

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@GERALTITUDE: Oh ok. I didn't think about it in that way. That does sound terrible for those people.

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Edited By GERALTITUDE

& everyone else: Yeah. Article is really worth reading. Sad, very very sad. Just sounds like an all too common, atypical ego syndrome.

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Can they destroy their awful logo along with the games? Seriously, I hate their logo. It's a terrible logo, the worst! I mean, I've seen bad logos before, but for some reason the Silicon Knights logo just draws out the hate in me!

I'd feel bad for Silicon Knights if everyone with a head on their shoulders didn't jump ship leaving it just Denis, his wife, and like three other people.

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Reading the article Patrick posted, Dyack deserves this.

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That fucking blows. For everyone involved. You know Dy-man is mad bummed about this, I have to have sympathy for him. You could tell that guy just wanted to make cool games.

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Got a copy of Too Human. Call it morbid curiosity.

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they got what was coming to them, lets hope anyone cool has left Silicon Knights a long time ago, wouldnt like it if anyone cool actually suffered because of complete idiots, but then again that is one of the biggest parts of living a life, being screwed by idiots. I'm happy that the idiot got screwed this time :D

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@jillsandwich said:

That fucking blows. For everyone involved. You know Dy-man is mad bummed about this, I have to have sympathy for him. You could tell that guy just wanted to make cool games.

Read the Kotaku article. That idiot is solely responsible for the downfall of his studio.

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Edited By xerxes8933a

I pre-ordered Too Human, and have never had a single regret about it. I played it through a couple times with a couple different people and it was as enjoyable the last as it was the first. Destiny wasn't good though. The combat was passable, but everything else about that game was just bad. And for some reason it's still 60 bucks at the stores....

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How is this company still around?

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Such a damn shame.

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The first five minutes of this pretty much sums up Dyack:

I'm a little curious about the magnitude of this though? Does every store in the world that still has a sealed copy of either game have to send it back? Should I be getting on eBay while I still can!?

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Add my voice to the chorus of people who enjoyed Too Human, and would like to see a sequel that improved on the original.

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Fucking loved Too Human, and damn I'm still pissed that the trilogy, nor any DLC was made. But this is all on Dyack. He's a horses behind, and even though that judgement seems rediculous to me, he just brought all this on himself and his company. The weird thing is maybe this causes some sort of resurgence of people revisiting, or finally playing Too Human. It had some flaws and annoyances true, but man the gameplay, and specifically the end game was just glorious if you were willing to put in the time.

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none of this would have happened if Silicon Knights tried to make good games instead of trying to shift the blame on to Epic...

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Too Human is the 38th best selling videogame on Amazon right now.

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@GERALTITUDE said:

@Barrabas & everyone else: Yeah. Article is really worth reading. Sad, very very sad. Just sounds like an all too common, atypical ego syndrome.

Ironic, because it's Kotaku that's posting it.
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@Krakn3Dfx said:

Add my voice to the chorus of people who enjoyed Too Human, and would like to see a sequel that improved on the original.

Yes, signed. That game just needed a sequel to make good on all the ideas that didn't get fleshed out in the first.

Sad I never got #2 :(

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Too Human was awful, as was X-Men. This is better for the world, at least in that case, to have them destroyed.

Sucks for Silicon Knights, though. I thought they were a good developer, they just got misguided as of late. I really want Eternal Darkness 2, man!

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@Nettacki said:

@GERALTITUDE said:

@Barrabas & everyone else: Yeah. Article is really worth reading. Sad, very very sad. Just sounds like an all too common, atypical ego syndrome.

Ironic, because it's Kotaku that's posting it.

It's actually written by a freelance writer. So, Kotaku in general is still shit except for that once in a blue moon someone from outside of Kotaku decides to write something for them.

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I'd buy Too Human 2

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That's an overkill. Why they have to destroy all the copies by themseleves ? Who want's Silicon Knights go bankrupt so badly ? On the other hand SK didn't made a good game since 2008.

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I love video games.

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@Ghostiet: yea hes pretty fucked now......

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@Arrested_Developer said:

I'd buy Too Human 2

2 Human?

Also, will Silicon Knights be able to take a blow this heavy and survive, or is it shutters for them?

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@MiniPato said:

@Nettacki said:

@GERALTITUDE said:

@Barrabas & everyone else: Yeah. Article is really worth reading. Sad, very very sad. Just sounds like an all too common, atypical ego syndrome.

Ironic, because it's Kotaku that's posting it.

It's actually written by a freelance writer. So, Kotaku in general is still shit except for that once in a blue moon someone from outside of Kotaku decides to write something for them.

The only stuff worth reading at Kotaku is only written by Kirk Hamilton.

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@theuselessgod said:

Too Human was awful, as was X-Men. This is better for the world, at least in that case, to have them destroyed.

Sucks for Silicon Knights, though. I thought they were a good developer, they just got misguided as of late. I really want Eternal Darkness 2, man!

I don't know if I really want a sequel to Eternal Darkenss. Part of me feels like we have such a high view of the first game that a sequel done with today's tech would cause a lot of gamers to complain. Don't think that I wouldn't love to see them try and make a sequel, I just don't know if it would be right.

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I'm a wizard!....and that shits FUCKED UP!

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Man, that Kotaku story is the saddest fucking thing I've ever read.

At least the Eternal Darkness sequel got canned, so SK didn't screw it up like they totally would have.

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I suddenly have this urge to buy X-Men: Destiny and Too Human XD

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Damn

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@joey8bit said:

@theuselessgod said:

Too Human was awful, as was X-Men. This is better for the world, at least in that case, to have them destroyed.

Sucks for Silicon Knights, though. I thought they were a good developer, they just got misguided as of late. I really want Eternal Darkness 2, man!

I don't know if I really want a sequel to Eternal Darkenss. Part of me feels like we have such a high view of the first game that a sequel done with today's tech would cause a lot of gamers to complain. Don't think that I wouldn't love to see them try and make a sequel, I just don't know if it would be right.

Yeah, maybe. I was thinking more spiritual successor, to be honest.

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I bought Too Human when it came out, never touched it. Still sealed. May turn out to be a good move haha.

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Read this (and the excellent Kotaku) article yesterday, had a dream last night that I was interviewing him on a late night talk show and he wasn't a prick. Not megalomaniacal or awkward at all. Guess I really liked Eternal Darkness.

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Too Human got more flack than it deserved. The game had its flaws (like all games), but I actually enjoyed it a lot. Glad I still have my copy...

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Maybe I'll actually finish that copy of Too Human I bought awhile ago.

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man, life isn't too great over at Silicon Knights these days. Ouch. I remember when I got my Gamecube back in the day and preordered Eternal Darkness. Couldn't wait to play that game and I wasn't dissapointed. It was at that point that I felt that Silicon Knights must be destined for greatness. Well... I watched and waited for their next big thing and here we are 10 years later and I'm still waiting. Something tells me most if not all the people (besides Denis) that were involved with Eternal Darkness are long gone.