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So, Fez II

Some stuff happened over the weekend.

Fez II is no longer in active development, according to developer Polytron and its designer, Phil Fish. That’s the word from Fish, who dropped his mic this weekend.

“FEZ II is cancelled,” said Fish in a statement on Polytron’s website. "i am done.i take the money and i run. this is as much as i can stomach. this is isn’t the result of any one thing, but the end of a long, bloody campaign. you win.”

For the record, I don’t believe him, even though I’ve “confirmed” the news with Fish myself over email. I suspect we will, at some point, see (and play) the sequel to Fez, but this weekend’s events provide an opportunity for Fish to leave the spotlight and protect his sanity from the world and, well, himself. Fish speaks too passionately about games to leave them behind. That isn’t some subtle hint, either. It’s my gut feeling.

But how did we get here? It begins with the latest episode of Invisible Walls, a Game Trailers podcast, featuring a lengthy rant from Marcus Beer, a longtime member of the industry now commentating under the named “Annoyed Gamer.” The podcast was discussing the recent turn of events regarding Xbox One self-publishing, and how both Fish and Braid designer Jonathan Blow used Twitter to criticize the press for running towards both of them for quotes about what was, then, still a rumor coming from Game Informer about the news. A rumor with some legitimacy? Sure, and while it eventually proved true, Blow was upset reporters were asking for commentary without more information (for example, the revenue share ratio) and Fish lamented the press seeking a quote before everything was confirmed. Fish's divisive nature is easy traffic.

Cue Beer:

“But, of course, the press, wanting to get reactions, they went to a couple of indie developers. In this case, Jonathan Blow and Phil Fish, because those guys are the self-styled kings of the indie genre. They’ve been on Indie Game: The Movie, and they’ll turn up and quote for anything and everyone. And Ms. Fish and Blow, or BlowFish as I’m going to call the two them right, because while they may be moderately tasty, they’re also kind of lethal. [They] decided to go bananas and bitch and moan to Game Informer, in particular about “How dare you, how dare you ask us questions about this story! I’m sick of you guys wanting my opinion on this story!” Both of them, both bitching away. And I’ve just got a little message for the BlowFish. Gents, you are the guys who did Indie Games: The Movie, and some of you looked relatively normal in it, one of you looked like a total tosspot in it. You can’t have it both ways. You’re successful game designers, you’re indie game designers--hurrah, good for you, you fucking hipsters. Let’s get something out of the way. If you are successful and you want people to promote your games, and you go to the press and give them quotes for anything that pertains to your shilling your next title, when the press, then, come to you and say “this is something that’s pertinent to the indie scene, let’s talk to BlowFish because BlowFish are successful and they are, you know, supposedly these pioneers” don’t get fucking snicky about it, alright? Jesus, you should be grateful that these guys consider what you say something of use.. Me? I think the both of you are a pair of tosspots. You may make good games. Well, Blow makes...Blow makes a good game. Fez, I’m just not into at all. I’m just not into it. I respect people that do [enjoy it]. My own personal opinion, though? Having seen these wankers over and over again, bitch and moan--Phil Fish in particular, though.

Other Commentator: He does come across as whiny.

Beer: Whiny? He’s a fucking asshole most of the time. I’m an asshole, but that’s what I am, that’s what I do. I suck it up. But what I’m saying is that if you guys want the promotion the next time around on your Fez 2 or...what’s the follow-up to Braid, The Witless? Witless? Whoa! Yeah, c’mon. I would like to say to every outlet who got dismissed by BlowFish, fuck ‘em. Next time they have something to shill, say “yeah, not so much interested.” It is a two-way street, it’s a symbiotic relationship. You guys are out there, you have to suck it up.”

Game developers do not owe us anything, and I don’t owe them anything. It’s archaic to view the press-developer relationship as strictly symbiotic, and is indicative of an old view of the press-developer relationship. Do I often rely on developers to open up and allow me to tell their stories? Yes, but it’s an optional dance we do the tango to. No one is indebted to the other once that exchange has run its course, and that's the end of the road. If you're on a writer/journalist making this argument, that's really bad.

Anyway.

Fish caught wind of Beer’s comments, and exploded on Twitter.

("Compare your life to mine and then kill yourself" is a Futurama quote, but that's a bit besides the point.)

That’s just a taste. Beer eventually responded, and offered Fish an opportunity to discuss his commentary on camera, but Fish wasn’t interested. Over the next hour or so, Fish continued to vocally express his displeasure, speaking more broadly about his feelings about people slinging crap his way, and the toll it takes on psyche. It ended with Fez II’s abrupt cancellation, despite having been announced only recently.

I spent the weekend largely disconnected from the Internet. Like Fish, I’m a public figure, someone who puts themselves out there and deals with what comes back--the good and the bad. I’m not proud of the fact that I’ve grown a thick enough skin to deal with rape threats targeted at my wife simply because I’ve had the audacity to talk about sexism in video games. Nor am I proud of being able to withstand pot shots from anonymous jerks about my deceased father. These are not traits that will ever be mentioned in my resume.

We all handle criticism, especially the vitriolic kind, differently. I stopped responding to jerks, and ask people to come in my direction through email, private messages, or questions over Tumblr. Over time, it's produced excellent results, but not pulling the trigger and snarking back at a jerk is hard. Vocal game designer Hideki Kamiya tells people to fuck off. Fish responded by yelling, stirring the pot, and unironically latching himself to a photo of known troller (he probably would have hated that term) and comedian Andy Kaufman.

Some of his comments are indefensible, and some, I suspect, he wishes he could take back.

But I know the good of the Internet, too, and I wish Fish had, either, seen more of it or reminded himself of what it produces. I’ve had my moments with the Giant Bomb community, but so much has been tremendous.

I mean, look at this stuff.

When my father passed, the Giant Bomb community started a thread with well wishes about my work and anonymous comments about my father, a person none of them had ever met. I kept that thread bookmarked on my phone during the first week of my father’s passing, and would often head into the bathroom, page through the thread, not really reading anything, and cry. It was a showing of genuine compassion by a group of people who only knew me from what I put out there. When I needed them, they had my back.

And that's to say nothing of how we pulled together for during the passing of the irreplaceable Ryan Davis.

Whenever someone gets under my skin, I reach into my bag. Tucked into a pocket are a series of letters, private thoughts from people who have reached out over the years, thanking me for one thing or another that I've been involved in. Most of them bring a tear to my eye, and each reminds me why I'm still doing this.

99% of the Internet has been nothing but nice to me, even when it’s a backhanded compliment. It’s easy to focus on that 1%. That 1% is vile, hateful, spiteful, jealous, mean, and would likely be as venomous in a public place as they are with a badge of anonymity. Many are probably teenagers who will grow up and learn to regret their ignorant actions, but some of them aren’t, and those are the people who scare me the most. But I can’t spend my day worrying about the 1%. I wake up every day trying to make the other 99% happy.

I hope I’m doing an okay job of that.

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Posted by LikeaSsur

@homelessbird: Do you know who else gets that same kind of hate mail, possibly even more? Absolutely everyone else in the public light, and they aren't telling people to kill themselves, are they? Why does Phil get a special pass?

Posted by Zevvion

@groverat said:

@Zevvion

"Marcus Beer always attacks everyone" is not a context. You are free to take what he's saying "with a grain of salt", but no one has an obligation to simply take insults and attacks because Marcus Beer constantly attacks and insults people.

He's a bully, and bullies get reactions. All you are really doing here is blaming the victim for his reaction to the bully's attack. If you're going to ignore judging Beer's bullying then you should also ignore Fish's response to being bullied. Yet Fish in your analysis is the one who is "nuts" and Beer is virtually ignored. It's like watching a bully's toadie snicker by the lockers.

None of us here have ever endured 1/100th the online tormenting that Phil Fish has. For every 1 unit of shit he's put out he gets 10,000 units in return. I have never going insane on the Internet, but that's not really relevant.

Just for some historical background, since Fish can't get away from anything he says (even when he apologizes), here is Beer's commentary about Hideo Kojima's weak grasp of the English language when giving a keynote speech:

"If you wanna come and present a video at the video game awards in the US learn the fucking language so you can say your speech...learn it...biggest fucking insult of the night was him up there dicking around not able to speak the language..."

You are missing the point. This is not an isolated issue. Fish is and has always been a dick. Self-centered and egotistical. Of course I only get that from media. Perhaps he is a great person, secretly, aside from media. But it's the same media where he demands apologies for behavior he has himself. It's the same media where he came out and bad-mouthed Microsoft about policies they have never spoken of. It's the same media he refused to comment on when the actual indie-policy of Microsoft was made known and the same he told that because he 'can't take that shit', that he goes out and cancels his game.

You know that Fez II is not just created by him right? There are other people he hurts by cancelling that game and he does it anyway because his feelings are hurt. Hurt in a way he does to other people constantly and on an issue where he took a hypocritical stance in. Not financial issues, not development issues, not work issues. 'You guys are dicks and I'm out'.

Yes, I think that's fucking crazy.

Posted by Bartz

@evilsbane said:

@coldhands0802 said:

@bartz said:

Leave it to Patrick Klepek to make this story about himself. Holy crap.

It's not really though. He's examining Fish's reaction to assholes on the internet through his own experience because, like he said, they're both public figures and they've both had some hate slung at them.

Basically, "This is what it's like when the internet is mean to you, here's how Phil handled it, here's why and why I can relate."

So, what is he supposed to pretend he has no connection to this sort of thing? His job and the things that have happened while he has done his job give us deeper insight to a situation, how does him mentioning he has had similar experiences make it all about him seriously? This article would have been a paragraph long without Patrick making into I don't know into something more interesting to read than "Beer Dumps on Fish, Fish Drunk on Rage, Cancels Fez 2" The End yay great read....

Sad assholes looking for a reason to be assholes. Sadly, it's nothing new.

I'm the asshole for pointing out something I don't like about the site that I pay money to use? I'm simply reacting to what I perceive as Mr. Klepek's unprofessional writing habits, of which this is not the first time. Just because some of us have problems with Patrick's writing doesn't make us assholes necessarily. I wish Patrick didn't piss me off with many of his articles, really! I would love to like him(in fact he was one of my favorites at first). Unfortunately he keeps giving me so many reasons not to! When Patrick writes a piece I enjoy, I will complement him on it, just as I do the other duders. The problem is, this very rarely happens!

Posted by pickassoreborn

Anyone mentioned the guy who angered Phil Fish after the AnnoyedGamer exchange? Something about him mentioning "Redheads don't lie" and then accusing Fish of abusing his ex-girlfriend. Said guy deleted his account soon after (GamerHiveMind), but I still managed to catch his last few tweets on his timeline stating how proud he was that he pissed off many people for Fez II's cancellation. Obviously he wasn't solely responsible, but I'm sure that those well-timed tweets didn't help matters.

This whole thing is pretty horrible. I re-watched Indie Game the Movie and you can tell that Phil Fish is a very emotional kind of guy in both extremes - good and bad. You could see the passion and dedication and I guess it's just sad that it's come to this. I feel for people put off developing indie games from the hate and negative comment it attracts.

I wish him well in his future adventures.

Posted by groverat

In your mind Fish is not only obligated to take abuse but he is also obligated to make a game he no longer wants to make (and likely hasn't really started) because other people might be hurt if it isn't made?

Posted by bitchypixels

What a powerful ending to a very aggressive and disturbing topic.

You are doing an excellent job. We all love you.

Posted by Wuddel
Posted by nukesniper

Random trolls on the internet is one thing, but to have a guy from gametrailers talking smack like that is a bit steep. Have rage-inciting trolls really become so common that podcasts have people complain and stuff on them enough for that? I hope not.

On all this, I really don't come from a place like Patrick. I'm a dude who has done almost nothing on the internet, and what I have has been a joke from the beginning, but I don't look at what people said about those things. I liked them at the time, and that's what mattered to me.

Posted by Nikoran

@homelessbird: he acted like a dick, he'll get treated like a dick. Karma's a bitch but that's just how it goes.

Posted by Nikoran

@homelessbird: he acted like a dick, he'll get treated like a dick. Karma's a bitch but that's just how it goes.

Posted by DerekDanahy

Really enjoyed your write-up Patrick.

Edited by Sugreev2001_1

Everyone's jealous of Giantbomb's community.

Anyway,I don't condone Marcus Beer's comments. His entire schtick is to be as in your face as possible and I like him for that. It's time this industry had someone with his balls. With the corporitization of gaming just like any other entertainment industry,his kind has gained in importance. Phil Fish is a whiny little baby,who created one standout game. Just because his work is good,doesn't excuse his general behavior. People like him are better away from such a gigantic environment of opinions and judgements,they simply cannot take it.

Posted by numberattheend1

I hope Phil Fish comes out of this alright and gets some piece of mind about his interactions with the internet.

On a related note, my first thought when I saw the announcement of the Fez II cancellation was, "Oh this must be an ARG, Fez II is already out, we're already playing it...". I fear my particular initial reaction is completely false, but that I had that thought at all is why he should keep making games...

Edited by Enigma_2099

I don't care about Fish OR FEZ, but in regards to the exchange between him and Beer, I'm siding with Fish. For once, he was dealing with a BIGGER asshole.

Also thanks, Patrick... not saying I'll ever forget him, but you just HAD to remind me.

Posted by Homelessbird

@likeassur: Absolutely every public figure does not get that amount of hate mail. That's simply not true. In fact, few people in video games generate as much aggression as Phil has, save perhaps Bobby Kotick.

And I don't believe I ever said he should get a "special pass." I'm saying I understand, under that kind of pressure, why he blew up. Especially because there is talk that he's bipolar.

I'm also of the personal belief that being a dick in public doesn't make it ok when thousands of people say horrible things to you daily. I don't think that status quo is going to change anytime soon, but that doesn't make it cool that it happens.

Posted by Homelessbird

@nikoran: That first line is a truism, but that doesn't make it ok. The scale is off here - there is one Phil Fish being a dick, and there are literal hundreds of people that seem to enjoy attacking him.

That second line just tells me that you don't know what karma is.

Posted by Greatgrey

@gogdog said:

I appreciate your thick skin, Patrick. But i don't like the fact that nearly every article you write for Giant Bomb ends up being about yourself. It's like the website has turned into your personal blog rather than you writing about games.

Posted by OrangeLadBoy

Fish = Tool

Patrick = Real and great. Love you man.

Edited by Rodent

Both Phil Fish and Jonathon Blow really rub me the wrong way. IMO, they both need to shut their openly negative attitude towards the gaming industry mouths and let their games do the talking. I'm looking forward to playing Fez which I just got off Steam and I'm egarly awaiting the Witness to see what it's all about, but personally I don't give two shits about what the creators of said games have to say. And that, IMO, is unfortunate.

If Fish wants to go, I hope he takes Blow with him...hell I'll even hold the door.

Posted by Rodent

Btw Patrick I gotta agree with some of the comments in here, your article started off strong but then kinda lost its point.

Posted by ProfessorEss

@rodent said:

Both Phil Fish and Jonathon Blow really rub me the wrong way. IMO, they both need to shut their openly negative attitude towards the gaming industry mouths and let their games do the talking. I'm looking forward to playing Fez which I just got off Steam and I'm egarly awaiting the Witness to see what it's all about, but personally I don't give two shits about what the creators of said games have to say. And that, IMO, is unfortunate.

I'm kinda with you man. If their games really are so special, maybe they should let them speak for themselves for a change.

Posted by ultrapeanut

It's just sad. Phil Fish seemed like a cool guy when he appeared on the post-GDC show, and while I've never heard of him before I'm sure Marcus Beer's had finer moments than when he decided to act like a six year old and call people names because they got snippy at the press. I'm under no illusion that this will be the end of Fez II or anything, but that doesn't make it any less unnecessary or unfortunate.

Posted by RicardoDias

Absolutely outstanding article.

Posted by JacobFromMT

Patrick, I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I appreciate you. I never had a moment of hesitation personally welcoming you to the site, podcast, my twitter feed, etc. It's great that you've managed to do so much remotely in such a short time and I look forward to what you have planned for the future. By the end of this article I could give a fuck about some arrogant blogger or some arrogant game developer, I just wanna give you a hug and say, "keep it up." You do great work, don't ever fucking question that.

Posted by Ghost_Cat

Seriously, you cannot blame Fish for how he has behaved. I have no problem with his personality (I like him), and I know he has acted this way in the past, but he is still getting this sort of shit now. Even long after releasing FEZ on Xbox and PC, he is still getting constant shit, so how can he not lose it after dealing with this sort of problem through all of these years? It might be easy to prod him for a reaction, but jesus, leave the guy alone to work on some video games.

Edited by LackLuster

Marcus Beer sounds like such a terrible critic from that quote damn, who is that guy?

Edited by Snowsprite

People who are assholes to Patrick have absolutely no justification for their behavior. He's just some nice dude who writes for a gaming website.

The difference is, Fish acts like a gigantic dick 100% of the time. He makes comments like 'suck my dick, choke on it' after winning a competition, and 'Japanese games are awful'. When people criticize him for this behavior he's suddenly the victim and seemingly can't comprehend why people are being such gosh-darned meanies to him. This victim complex bullshit isn't deserving of anyone's sympathy and there is no comparison between him and Patrick.

Edited by ultrapeanut

@strikerthelizard: I dunno, it seems pretty hard to keep "personal drama stories" out of a story that's almost entirely about interpersonal drama.There is no "what's up" with Fez 2, a game that barely exists yet, except the news that its creator reacted to an exchange of insults by saying it would never exist.

The particular article you're pitching is, roughly: "Fez 2 is allegedly cancelled on account of Twitter Beef, among other beefs. I'm Patrick Klepek, and this has been your Giant Bomb News Bite!"

Posted by Jimbo

Phil Fish is acting like a little kid and this is the kind of tantrum which probably just shouldn't be reported on at all. It's annoying enough when little kids act like little kids, but when it's a grown man doing it in public it's just embarassing and awkward for everybody. Of course he'll make Fez 2, he's just thrown his toys out of the pram because that's the kind of person he is.

Beer is right about this and most of the things he rants about. The rant is for show, but the core of his argument is usually bang on the money. Developers and press don't 'owe' each other anything (though the press sure acts like they owe developers something), but it's pretty galling when developers cozy up to and leverage the press when it suits them and then complain about the press the second it's inconvenient for them.The press/industry relationship isn't supposed to be an entirely consensual / mutually beneficial thing, but it's not supposed to be an abusive relationship in favour of the industry either, whereby the industry just takes all the time, never gives anything back unless it suits them and the press still comes running whenever they're called.

If certain devs want to stonewall the press, that's fine, but it should be remembered the next time they want something from the press. It's not about scratching each others' backs, it's about how to best serve the reader, and that's achieved by not bending over and taking it from the industry while getting nothing in return. The press have far more power in this relationship than they ever act like they do.

Posted by LE5LO

@undeadpool: Agreed. The guy should be ashamed for his unnecessary childish abuse towards the two developers. To think he's a journalist, he's made a mountain out of a molehill when he could be reporting his two cents on Microsoft instead of bitching about others not doing so.

Between this guy and Geoff Keighley, for all Geoff's smugness, promoting Mountain Dew / Doritos, acting like he has no time for Angry Joe, I'm now done with Gametrailers.com. It's a shame, I loved reading Keighley's 'making of' articles over the years but the arrogance and lack of respect at Gametrailers has gone way too far now.

Great post Patrick. Let's hope Phil comes back, it would be a great shame to see him leave the industry, unlike those two self righteous idiots at Gametrailers.

Posted by Homelessbird

@strikerthelizard: I find it hard to believe that you like this site if you don't appreciate the personal touch.

Would you prefer this news article to have just reported the facts? Because they're all in there. Just read only two of the paragraphs if you want that experience.

The personal side is why the vast majority of us come to Giant Bomb. If you want something else, go somewhere else, don't try to turn GB into IGN.

Edited by deafwing

Great article and perspective on the whole incident. I think I finally got a clear picture of the throw down last week in Beer Vs. Fish. Wow - sad news indeed.

It's true though, most people use social media to lash out because they think it's safe. It's not.

Marcus, well *chuckle* - we know, is Marcus. I don't even know what to say - his behavior towards Fish is expected because he behaves this way on the regular to just about any/every-one, and, not a lot of people can deal with him sadly.

Thick skin be damned, I think some folks may need adamantium laced skin to put up with Beer - but he's still a cool kat in some respective I guess and you could probably say the same about Fish.

I find it kind of funny that beer got his panties in a wad though that the developers did not want to comment back because a bone was thrown at them - he did not have to go there but then again Fish did not have to reply. No one was right ... ah well.

I don't think developers owe writers/editors anything and I don't think writers/editors owe them anything either. Imagine if we lived in a world where all creative properties (food, culinary arts, clothing designs, industrial designs, anything created with human ingenuity ... ) were beholden onto the response and opinion of another to merely exist? That would ... suck.

Yet I'm not saying that tit for tat can't exist - of course you can scratch my back so "maybe" I will scratch yours for the right reasons? Was there a rule that said that I had to? Was there one that said that you had to try and scratch mines in the first place? True, I may fail without you but could I just go out of the way to put my content out their and see what happens without your support? Think of all the gaming sites that started out this way? They must have said "f what everybody thinks; no one is looking out (yet) for us, so we're just gonna do this!"

Posted by MrGarcia

Patrick your writing is amazing. That's all. Thank you.

Edited by Razputin

Beautifully written, Patrick. You couldn't be more right.

Posted by Stepside

@danlongman: Well said my friend :) Having a wife from Melfort...I get what you're saying about the poutine lol

Posted by Jimbo

Haha, check out some of the locked threads - I think Phil Fish himself might actually be posting on these forums.

Edited by topgunmv

Marcus Beer sounds like such a terrible critic from that quote damn, who is that guy?

You should check a wiki or something.

I hear giantbomb.com is pretty good.

He ran PR for games from the 90's to the mid 2000's, so given that he's been on both sides of the industry, one would think he would somewhat know what he's talking about.

Posted by Lysergica33

@chose said:

@lysergica33 said:

I actually feel for the guy a lot and agree with a lot of what he has to say about Marcus Beer, especially the comment about how he creates nothing of beauty. Phil Fish, for all of his down falls, is an artist. A very drive, very passionate artist. An artist so driven and so passionate that he can't helpbut be vitriolic and call bullshit where he sees it. I don't think that necessarily makes him an asshole, but the limelight and that kind of character don't often mix well. Marcus Beer is just a commentator, he sits at the sidelines and criticises the work of others while never offering better alternatives, never innovating, never pushing himself or the industry in any meaningful way. In my opinion, that specific line of game "journalism" has a tendency to be parasitic as fuck, so I think Phil Fish was well within his right to tell that guy to go fuck himself.

I, too, think Phil will be back. For now I implore people not to judge the guy so hastily. Artists have a hard time in the game's industry and if they ever lash out in response, it's always them that gets bashed, when without them we wouldn't have any beautiful art to consume in the first place. And is Marcus Beer going to be the guy that makes the games once he's pissed all the good devs off? Fuck no. FUCK no.

Come on, get your head out of your ass. Phil Fish is not an artist, he doesn't create beauty or convey emotion, he's an entertainer. Like any pop star, he's a whore, not a troubled soul exploring his perception of the world in search of awe.

Frankly, I think that's fucking bullshit dude. Fez is a beautiful game!

Posted by cassus

"Like Fish, I’m a public figure, someone who puts themselves out there and deals with what comes back--the good and the bad. I’m not proud of the fact that I’ve grown a thick enough skin to deal with rape threats targeted at my wife simply because I’ve had the audacity to talk about sexism in video games. Nor am I proud of being able to withstand pot shots from anonymous jerks about my deceased father. These are not traits that will ever be mentioned in my resume."

Jesus fucking christ.. I knew the Patrick hate-wagon was fucking disturbing, but what the fuck are you guys doing??? That is the sickest fucking shit I've read in a long fucking time. This just makes me feel deep shame for himanity as a whole. The fact that we have this level of hate in us is revolting to me. The people who fling this kind of shit need to take themselves out of the gene pool, cause you contribute NOTHING to the world. Nothing. Human waste.

Edited by Irishranger

@bartz said:

@mariachimacabre said:

@evilsbane said:

@coldhands0802 said:

@bartz said:

Leave it to Patrick Klepek to make this story about himself. Holy crap.

It's not really though. He's examining Fish's reaction to assholes on the internet through his own experience because, like he said, they're both public figures and they've both had some hate slung at them.

Basically, "This is what it's like when the internet is mean to you, here's how Phil handled it, here's why and why I can relate."

So, what is he supposed to pretend he has no connection to this sort of thing? His job and the things that have happened while he has done his job give us deeper insight to a situation, how does him mentioning he has had similar experiences make it all about him seriously? This article would have been a paragraph long without Patrick making into I don't know into something more interesting to read than "Beer Dumps on Fish, Fish Drunk on Rage, Cancels Fez 2" The End yay great read....

Sad assholes looking for a reason to be assholes. Sadly, it's nothing new.

I'm the asshole for pointing out something I don't like about the site that I pay money to use? I'm simply reacting to what I perceive as Mr. Klepek's unprofessional writing habits, of which this is not the first time. Just because some of us have problems with Patrick's writing doesn't make us assholes necessarily. I wish Patrick didn't piss me off with many of his articles, really! I would love to like him(in fact he was one of my favorites at first). Unfortunately he keeps giving me so many reasons not to! When Patrick writes a piece I enjoy, I will complement him on it, just as I do the other duders. The problem is, this very rarely happens!

I feel the same way about Navarro. I don't like his writing style or his personality. Difference is, I keep my opinion to myself, because none of our opinions are going to cause anything to change on the site, paying customers or no.

Posted by North6

@cassus said:

"Like Fish, I’m a public figure, someone who puts themselves out there and deals with what comes back--the good and the bad. I’m not proud of the fact that I’ve grown a thick enough skin to deal with rape threats targeted at my wife simply because I’ve had the audacity to talk about sexism in video games. Nor am I proud of being able to withstand pot shots from anonymous jerks about my deceased father. These are not traits that will ever be mentioned in my resume."

Jesus fucking christ.. I knew the Patrick hate-wagon was fucking disturbing, but what the fuck are you guys doing??? That is the sickest fucking shit I've read in a long fucking time. This just makes me feel deep shame for himanity as a whole. The fact that we have this level of hate in us is revolting to me. The people who fling this kind of shit need to take themselves out of the gene pool, cause you contribute NOTHING to the world. Nothing. Human waste.

Uh, they are random, anonymous pieces of shit on the internet?

Edited by Knives

@cassus said:

"Like Fish, I’m a public figure, someone who puts themselves out there and deals with what comes back--the good and the bad. I’m not proud of the fact that I’ve grown a thick enough skin to deal with rape threats targeted at my wife simply because I’ve had the audacity to talk about sexism in video games. Nor am I proud of being able to withstand pot shots from anonymous jerks about my deceased father. These are not traits that will ever be mentioned in my resume."

Jesus fucking christ.. I knew the Patrick hate-wagon was fucking disturbing, but what the fuck are you guys doing??? That is the sickest fucking shit I've read in a long fucking time. This just makes me feel deep shame for himanity as a whole. The fact that we have this level of hate in us is revolting to me. The people who fling this kind of shit need to take themselves out of the gene pool, cause you contribute NOTHING to the world. Nothing. Human waste.

You realize that you're responding to vitriol with vitriol? Don't hate the hater, bro. Because that's like, more hate.

Posted by Hourai

@strikerthelizard: Giant Bomb was created with the personalities of the staff being a key part of the site. If you want soulless, encyclopedia-esque news, use the other 99% of video game websites. Giant Bomb is not for you.

Posted by clush

@49th said:

I actually feel quite sorry for Phil Fish, he seems passionate about making the game he wants to make but receives constant abuse due to comments he made months ago.

Just as he's received constant praise for Fez. That and being in indie game the movie as well as being vocal about just about anything to me feels like he wánts to be an indie game celebrity. And if you suck up all the praise to inflate your ego, criticism gets hard to deal with. Looks to me as if he could use someone saying "just because you made this well received game doesn't mean you're a god" as well as "just because people are criticising you with some colorful language doesnt mean everybody hates you."

I don't really see Beer having a great part in this. You can think of what he said what you will, but in the end it hardly matters. If not him, Fish would've exploded for the next guy saying something that he thinks unjust. Criticism is gonna come regardless and if you're a celebrity of some sort, you HAVE to be able to deal with that. And if Fish doesn't have what it takes and can't find anyone to keep his own personality on level ground, then perhaps finding a different career is the right thing to do.

If you want to be just a guy making games then that's what you should act like. And if besides your games you want to make your own person the center of the attention... you better be able to handle some criticism.

Edited by joblack

Phil Fish is IMHO an arrogant hipster. Most comments aren't acceptable. And I mean not only the last ones. He was behaving like a dick the last 1.5 years. The same rule applied for Mr. Blow in a smaller scale.

And by the way: a possible psychological illness is no excuse to treat your audience like s**t. Most of these illnesses are treatable and everyone, even the 'normal' guys have to learn self-control. Everything else is just an excuse.

There are so many talented indie game developer who are nice and are worth my money. So Phil Fish stay away from us. I don't care about FEZ 2 and especially about your unacceptable hipster behavior.

Posted by Lively

Fish's comments were uncivil, but he was responding to an entitled sub-human troll, so I don't think I can judge him for that. If a company he's working with feels like punishing him for a PR flap then that's their choice.

Gamers getting too worked up about this is a silly waste of time. I'm not lining up to read Phil Fish's personal newsletter, but you better believe I'll play his next game if it's good.

Posted by killacam

Oh good, this is bumped. Now we can continue to speculate about other peoples' nature based on superficial media moments and an inability/refusal to accept the idiosyncrasies that make humans a truly wondrous thing. Stop armchair analyzing. This concerns you only insofar that a potentially fantastic game was cancelled and now many people who have not let petty, overblown drama colour their experience with the man's creations have been deprived.