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Sony's Asking You to Waive Your Rights, But You Have Options

Keep your legal rights by sending a letter--we even made a template! Plus, a lawyer questions whether this will even hold up.

Agreeing toPSN's new Terms of Service waives certain legal rights, unless you mail a letter.
Agreeing toPSN's new Terms of Service waives certain legal rights, unless you mail a letter.

UPDATE: Some users pointed out this wouldn't apply worldwide, as laws are in place elsewhere to protect consumers from this. Kotaku Australia confirmed it won't apply to Europe or Australia.

ORIGINAL STORY: When I booted up NFL Sunday Ticket to watch the Chicago Bears on Sunday (which worked fine this week), Sony asked me to agree to an updated Terms of Service to access PlayStation Network. Standard stuff. We blindly agree to these things all the time, but this time, it's different.

Sony is asking you to waive the right to collectively sue them, and instead resolve any disputes individually through another process called arbitration (read: outside of the courts).

Sony has not revealed why it's implemented this change, but it's easy to guess it's in response to PSN security imploding back in April, exposing the personal data of 75 million PSN accounts. It was a total disaster.

Within days after admitting PSN had been compromised, the company had been sued, that time by 36-year-old Kristopher Johns of Birmingham, Ala, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.

Below is the legal excerpt causing a stir, but you can read the entire updated Terms of Service right here.

"Any dispute resolution proceedings, whether in arbitration or court, will be conducted only on an individual basis and not in a class or representative action or as a named or unnamed member in a class, consolidated, representative or private attorney general legal action, unless both you and the Sony entity with which you have a dispute specifically agree to do so in writing following initiation of the arbitration. This provision does not preclude your participation as a member in a class action filed on or before August 20, 2011."

If you don't agree, you cannot continue to play games online. That's a hard bargain.

The reason people bring class action lawsuits against companies runs under the the same principles governing unions: power in numbers. One person's going to have a tough time staring down a giant corporation, but if thousands or millions of people are speaking together, there's a chance it'll listen. Having the discussion happen behind-closed-doors doesn't help matters.

This effectively cuts group action off at the knees.

Sony's likely buried the opt-out option in this update to discourage anyone from opting-out.
Sony's likely buried the opt-out option in this update to discourage anyone from opting-out.

"This really sort of sucks because it is doubtful that any individual could afford to sue them," explained Washington attorney Thomas Buscaglia, who specializes in games. "Not sure how enforceable it will be, but I think it it would be really cool if gamers started to circulate a form opt out rejection of these terms and mailed them in."

As it turns out, there's an opt-out buried in the Terms of Service, but if you've already signed off on the updated Terms of Service, you need to act quickly; Sony's built a countdown into the agreement itself.

"If you do not wish to be bound by the binding arbitration and class action waiver in this Section 15," reads the Terms of Service, "you must notify SNEI [Sony Network Entertainment] in writing within 30 days of the date that you accept this agreement."

Tick, tock. Tick, tock.

To retain your right to participate in class action lawsuits, you must send the company a letter with your name, address, PSN account and a "clear statement that you do not wish to resolve disputes with any Sony entity through arbitration." Once you have that letter prepared, print it out and mail it here:

6080 Center Drive
10th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90045
Attn: Legal Department/Arbitration
Attn: Sony Legal Department: Dispute Resolution

I'll even make things easier: here's a document I created you can use as your personal template.

What happens next isn't clear.

Sony has provided all 75 million and counting members of PSN a clear way to maintain their existing rights, but by asking everyone to agree to ditching those rights in order to continue using PSN and asking them to mail a letter to keep them, they've ensured most will have given them away. That's assuming the majority of users are even aware something substantive has changed; how often have you seen an email full of legal mumbo jumbo, pretended to read it, then quickly deleted it?

That said, Sony's move could run into problems, regardless of whether you send in a letter or not.

"This is certainly not standard practice by any standards...in fact it may well not be enforceable," said Buscaglia. "Time will tell on that one. The US Federal Trade Commission and various state consumer protection agencies could have a problem with it. Also, some courts might not allow it to be enforced due to existing state court precedent."

Even if this move wouldn't hold up in court (ironic!), it may scare off anyone from trying, which would make it a success.

As Buscaglia said, time will tell. In the meantime, maybe you should go buy some stamps.

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@atomic_dumpling: I'm subscribed to Whiskey for Jeff, Ryan, Vinny, Brad and the Tested guys. Not Patrick Klepek. However, I also decided on a monthly instead of a yearly so that I can opt out at any time and there's a very specific reason for that.

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I don't really care.

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Should see what say, Nintendo or Microsoft have in their fine print, before you complain about this. Or hey. Look at facebook.

Also see how a lot of people are getting their Live accounts hijacked and used for relocating into Russia, and having 4k and 6k gamerpoints purchased, and most of the points spent in FIFA 11 lately. Xbox support themselves say it's JTagged Eeastern-European machines, gaming media says not a single thing.

But give the opportunity to drop a loaf on evil foreign Sony and everybody will jump on.

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Well, I still have my 360 so goodbye ps3.
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@Afroman269 said:

I don't use my ps3 enough to care about all this but I think I'll send in a letter anyways. Thanks for the heads up, Patrick.

Likewise. Uncharted 3 and Dark Souls are coming, so I know I'll be dusting the ol' girl off. And, hey, if someone DOES get the ball rolling, might be nice to be included.

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@Peanut said:

@Vegetable_Side_Dish said:

@lordgodalming said:

Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

In this case, this.

Agreed. This kind of sensationalist approach to news of this nature feels very Fox News to me.

You pay for this, mind you. Maybe you guys should force the issue more vocally - customer is always right.
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I actually read it. I thought about it clicked agree and moved on for 2 reasons.

1. It won't be enforceable. I've studied contract law for a couple of semesters and if Sony were to repeat a fuck up as big as the PSN disaster no judge would allow them to settle the resulting lawsuits with binding arbitration.

2. I have no interest in suing Sony or most companies for that matter if they their best to make good. In fairness to Sony they've provided free ID theft protection and 4 free games. Plus free plus for a month.

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Little wonder the Playstation brand has deteriorated so rapidly in the US this generation. Sony has stumbled from one PR disaster to another and the worst part is that they were all easily avoidable if Sony was not so smug and arrogant. Maybe if Sony spent as much time and money on improving their products they wouldn't have to try these underhanded legal tactics.

Sadly, Sony's strategy this generation seems to be one of mitigating the fallout from their poor decisions at the start of the PS3 era by removing the other OS and now this (not to mention dropping features like memory card readers, backwards compatibility, etc.).

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Dammit guys, this shit is in every EULA I know and you're whining when Sony does it? Wunderbar.

Just for that, I wont send that letter unless you guys do it for every major company who does this, such as Valve or perhaps iTunes.

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@Vegetable_Side_Dish said:

@lordgodalming said:

Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

In this case, this.

Agreed. This kind of sensationalist approach to news of this nature feels very Fox News to me.

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oh dear... all you people. but i lol'd reading thru this thread so thanks i guess.

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@DigitalMystic said:

I'm just a student in law school who aced Contract Law last semester, but an online click-wrap agreement cannot make you fully waive any legitimate constitutional rights you have to legal remedy. Period.

Sony is simply including phrasing in their user agreement that matches the same kind of thing you accept every day from your electric company, phone company, bank, gas company, cell phone provider, credit card company, etc.

Where are the angry protests in the streets over the greed and injustice of so many American businesses and utilities operators, gamers? No, it's much more cool to shake our internet fists at Sony... perspective is everything, my gaming peers.

This isn't a remedy to liability clause, this is deferring constitutional rights to restitution. No company can do that and EULAs have been debated in court many times.

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Major corporations rely on consumer apathy and ignorance to get their way.

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Great job, Klepek

Good for looking out for us

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So is C. Montgomery Burns the new CEO of Sony?

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@Cyrisaurus said:

I clicked agree, and moved on. You know why? Because I just want to play games online. I don't have any intentions of going out of my way to try and sue some major company.

And you know what? I doubt anyone else does too. I guarantee you that 100% of the people who complain about this have no intentions of suing Sony (and probably don't own a PS3). Some people just like to bitch because they think "Hur I'm an American, you can't take my rights". If Sony issued a new ToS stating that you were not allowed to stab yourself in the eye with a fork, there would be thousands of people raging over the situation acting like Sony is evil, just like this situation.

Newsflash, nobody lost their CC info from the PSN attacks, or suffered any long-term effects. So it would be best for people to move on, and just play some damn video games

Such a pretentious douche comment

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@Cyrisaurus:

You misunderstand. This movement makes it so that if Sony fucks you over, you have to go out of your way to sue. By clicking and moving on, you are saying that no one can sue in your defense, on your behalf unless you do it yourself. Sending in a letter is a preventative measure saying that you want keep your right to be included in a mass lawsuit against Sony if they actually manage to lose credit card info or something similar.

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@akumous said:

This is not uncommon of big multinational corporations like Sony, everyone does it and they conveniently trap their user base in such a dilemma to avoid losing. If an individual wishes to take the right path that would protect their rights he or she has to go through much tedious bureaucratic nonsense just for their voices to be heard. Corporations have too much power and something mush be to done to stop this because the average person does not have the resources to oppose them.

Well said.

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If i dont intend to sue them then what is the point in sending them a letter telling them that? if i dont intend to use the right to sue then why should i care to even keep the right? it seems like a waste of time . the average user this doesnt really matter, if you were already planning to sue then it affects you and thats it

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As an aside - this doesn't just affect your ability to play games online. This also affects your ability to watch Netflix Streaming on your PS3. While, yes, you can also watch Netflix Streaming on the Xbox 360...

  1. Netflix on the 360 requires a Live Gold subscription.
  2. Netflix on the 360 doesn't support subtitles or closed captioning for the deaf or hard of hearing.

So, if you fit into either of those categories, you're kind of SOL.

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@lordgodalming said:

Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

In this case, this. 
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@Cyrisaurus: I agree with you, but I'm still sending the letter as a matter of principle.

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I'm just a student in law school who aced Contract Law last semester, but an online click-wrap agreement cannot make you fully waive any legitimate constitutional rights you have to legal remedy. Period.

Sony is simply including phrasing in their user agreement that matches the same kind of thing you accept every day from your electric company, phone company, bank, gas company, cell phone provider, credit card company, etc.

Where are the angry protests in the streets over the greed and injustice of so many American businesses and utilities operators, gamers? No, it's much more cool to shake our internet fists at Sony... perspective is everything, my gaming peers.

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I checked with counsel and Sony can stick our pluribus up their unum. E Sonybus, Bitchesum and all that he said, because he's an attorney so he's all fond of Latin and things.

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@lordgodalming: I think the template is meant to be funny. I think. I hope.

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I hate myself for it, but I don't honestly care. :(

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So, instead of trying to gain back their customers' confidence in their company, Sony decided to do this. Fucking idiots.

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Thanks Patrick. Just sent my letter.

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Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

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Should we all get together and sue Sony for causing us mental distress by having to sign this EULA? Worth thinking about people. I smell $$$$.

Seriously though, credit card fraud is covered by the card issuer (or it is here in the UK at least) so I can't think of any reason I'd ever want to sue Sony, or Microsoft.

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I'd love to watch a judge laugh this EULA out of court, as judges are wont to do.

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@NeoUltima: I recall hearing something similar, however it can make a potential class action more costly because you have to get the court to overturn the clause first. At least I think thats how it works, also not a lawyer.

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@august said:

@benjaebe said:

@Kyle said:

WOW. That's amazing. You know, I don't think I've ever described the actions of game company as evil, but if I were to, this would probably be it.

It's not just Sony though. Valve, for example, has had the same thing in their EULA forever. It's probably fairly common and the only reason people are realizing it now is that they changed their EULA to have it and, following the PSN hacking thing, people have been paying attention to stuff that Sony does.

Cite please.

A. EXCLUSIVE REMEDY -- STEAM AND THE SOFTWARE.

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH VALVE WITH REGARD TO STEAM OR THE SOFTWARE IS TO DISCONTINUE USE OF STEAM AND CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT.

Steam Subscriber Agreement, Section 10. Caps Lock is theirs. Disclaimer: I am by no means a contract expert, so I don't know if that clause is in the same ballpark or not.

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WOW SONY knows how crazy it's fans are. Making fun of them with the Butler commercials, now this wow. Sony Expliting it's diehard fanboys.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I took a business law class a year ago. The teacher specifically said these clauses almost never hold up in court. They are just more of a deterrent to get people to think before sueing. But if you have a legitimate reason to sue, the clause will do nothing.

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Thanks for the heads up, Patrick. I would have considered buying a Roku and ditching consoles altogether if there wasn't a way to opt out of this.

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@Cyrisaurus:

You just lay down and take it then. I'll be exercising my rights, thanks.

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@kpaadet said:

I can't really blame any corporation that wants to protect itself from the lawsuit happy americans. ;)

Sadly, this is completely spot on. That's our solution to everything, unfortunately

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@benjaebe said:

@Kyle said:

WOW. That's amazing. You know, I don't think I've ever described the actions of game company as evil, but if I were to, this would probably be it.

It's not just Sony though. Valve, for example, has had the same thing in their EULA forever. It's probably fairly common and the only reason people are realizing it now is that they changed their EULA to have it and, following the PSN hacking thing, people have been paying attention to stuff that Sony does.

Cite please.
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There is a reason why this only applies to the U.S., you have a horrendous suing culture!

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whats with the sony hate today on Giant Bomb?

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@benjaebe: really? do you know where in their tos it is? i honestly would like to see it that crazy that thats there.

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Live in Canada so I guess if the shit were to hit the fan and I for some reason felt the need to sue I still could but It's not really my style. Besides doesn't it say that even if you say its OK, live in the US and dont opt out within the 30 days you could still settle out of court If something arose?  As long as they covered my legal fees and sorted out any other fees related to the incident id be fine with that. As long as it doesn't effect my Blu-ray playback It wouldn't effect me anyway.

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@Afroman269 said:

I don't use my ps3 enough to care about all this but I think I'll send in a letter anyways. Thanks for the heads up, Patrick.

A sensible response that sums up my opinion? How fortunate.

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So first Sony loses all their customer data to hackers and then they want us to make sure we can't sue them when it happens again.

I'm interested to see if this is a valid agreement. In most european countries you can't make customers waive their rights which is probably why they've only changed the TOS in the US.

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I think the entire ToC and EULA situation has to be looked into. 
 
Every single company out there is abusing these concepts. They're all purposely making their agreements unbearably long and nearly unreadable due to excessive use of cryptic legal jargon. 
 
I denied my first EA one the other day purely based on the fact that it took something like an entire minute just to scroll as fast as I could to the bottom - easily an hour or more of reading indecipherable and redundant legal-speak. 

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Ugh...

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@Cyrisaurus:

Oh I didn't forget. I figured you'd point that out. I own a 360 that's why its green. Difference is, I can admit when MS does something stupid cause console fanboyism is pretty stupid.

The fact that you're whole stance is "yous just wanna be rebels, I just wanna play games dog!" shows you're missing the point entirely. Anti sony groups are responsible for lawsuits? Really? What a strange and wonderful world you must live in...

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@Cyrisaurus said:

@TheSouthernDandy: *coughmsfanboy* oh look I can do it too. Next time don't forget that your name is green when you are calling someone out.

Also, what's dumb is someone trying to act like a rebel by not agreeing with this ToS and sitting on their laptop on message boards saying "Yeah, stick it to the man, they can't make me do nothin'."

All that results in is a PS3 owner who can't play games online. They're only hurting themselves.

Blindly agreeing to the ToS only hurts yourself.

As I understand it, if you agree, but then send the letter, it basically allows to you ignore the terrible part where Sony tries to force you to waive your rights. So you still get to play.

This really isn't a "fanboy" issue. No doubt people who hate Sony will enjoy this example of corporate evil on their part, but if Microsoft or even Nintendo did this it would be just as terrible.

Suggesting that throwing your rights away is "no big deal" and that defending ourselves is some kind of hipster fad is childish and foolish at best. Being a big Sony fan means you are more likely to be screwed by this ToS than others, not less.