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You Should Read This Rant By a Tekken Producer

What happens when a creator gets fed up with endless fan demands.

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The term “entitled” is tossed around a little too easily, and I’m certainly guilty of that, too.

With BioWare delivering downloadable content to address fan complaints about Mass Effect 3’s ending today, it’s especially timely that Katsuhiro Harada, creative director and chief producer of fighting games at Namco Bandai, has unleashed what one would definitely characterize as a rant on Twitter this week.

As someone who has been working on the Tekken series for nearly two decades, Harada knows what it’s like to constantly interact with a legion of dedicated fans. The Tekken series may be less relevant these days, but there are plenty of players who still love the series, and have a deep sense of nostalgia for what Tekken means.

Straddling the line between appreciating that nostalgia and coming to grips with how technology evolves, how games evolve, and how creative approaches evolve can be its own challenge. Harada seems a bit fed up explaining that.

I’m just going to embed the whole text below, rather than pull out a few selections.

“I have something I want to say to the people who spam me with requests to "switch back(or Bring back) to the voice actors used previously".

I believe that, before whining and complaining about everything, you need practice at taking a step back and analyzing things objectively. And also at being an adult.

First, the voice you were listening to was 16 years ago, during the PlayStation period. The current generation of consoles are totally different in how they play back sound; both software-wise, and the internal circuitry

The playback program is different, as well as the sound effects added; reverb and 5.1 are examples of this. The comrpression rate, as well as the sound rate, is different today. Are you playing games on the same TV you used 16 years ago? What about your speakers? Headphones? They are all the same as 16 years ago? I wonder if it will sound like the same voice as 16 years ago, even with that data..
Also, you are assuming the voice actors themselves can reproduce the voice the recorded 16 years ago? Many voice actors decline work because their voice has changed since the original role, some have even retired. Sometimes they won't accept, even if we ask.

The recording studio and the equipment they use is also different. With all of this in mind, you still thing it is possible to recreate these voices?

Some might say "just pay them to reuse the voice data".

But, often the voice actors decline this, or their agency declines.

For example, Brian's laugh is the actual data from Tekken 3. As fans have requested, we've kept using the original, adapting the data recorded 16 years ago to be used on the PS2, and then PS3.

Even so, some people said it is a different voice in Tekken 6 than the original.

It can't be helped they might think that. As explained above, even though the master data is the same, all of the equipment used in adapting it has completely changed. That said, it isn't a good idea to try to reccreate the older recording environment because then the data sounds heavily compressed, with noise. More than that, it would sound out of place next to the voice data of the newer characters.

WHAT? You say some of the voices sound like they haven't changed at all?
I guess you didn't notice that the development team has re-recorded them, but made efforts for it to sound as close as possible to the original. And you probably didn't even notice.

Do you know that all of the voice work for a character is not always done by just one voice actor? Using Brian as an example, the laugh you guys love so much uses the original data from Tekken 3, but the short kiai voice uses a different voice actor, and the "come on!" voice also uses a different voice actor. A lot of other characters also use different voice actors for the spoken lines and for the shouts.

I did the voice work for Marshal and Forest for 15 years.

However, I can no longer produce that voice after Tekken 5, so we had a different voice actor for Tekken 6.

The Tekken series has continued for 17 years. The development environment, as well as the environment in which you all play games, has changed.

There are so many characters, and we can't keep using he same voice actors every time, for a variety of reasons.

I have even complied to the requests of you all spamming me to "bring back characters" from previous installments. You often say, "let's show the dev team how sincere we are by buying 2 copies if they bring back character X", but did you really go through with it? Expecting you to at least pre-order the game, I was met with more spam, after you apparently didn't notice that Jun and Michelle actually return.

I still have some characters left to be revealed that comply with some of your requests, even "bringing back" several others. Even so, none of them are paid DLC. I will continue to sincerely comply with fan requests.

However, I can't continue to engage the negative ones that, without knowing what you are talking about, or even thinking about what you are saying, blindly repeat "bring back, bring back, bring back..."

After this lengthy explanation, I will be quite surprised if there are still people who still don't get it.

Thanks for understanding or not understanding. Whatever.”

That last line is unbelievable, by the way.

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Edited By dezvous

Yeah, this is completely refreshing to me. Tell it like it is. I would love to see more of this. Defend your product with smart reasoning. I didn't take it as not being professional, people need to loosen up anyways.

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Edited By jasondesante

i understand, and feel sad for those who dont. you will never understand anything

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Edited By TheHumanDove

Time to use the word entitled, because that's a thing now

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Edited By BBAlpert

Having played Tekken 1, 2, and 3, how am I just now realizing the pun in Marshall Law's name?

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Edited By sins_of_mosin

Coming from a guy who hasn't made any big changes to his series in the past 10 years, who the hell cares what he thinks.

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Edited By dskillzhtown

@EquitasInvictus: All the communication channels that exist today didn't exist ten years ago. Also, developers didn't really seek out all of this feedback ten years ago either. Most fans are not hardcore enough to complain about voice actors in a fighting game, most don't care. It is a small minority that does care and fortunately/unfortunately they are the most vocal. But I think developers sometimes take that loud minority opinion as what the masses are thinking when that is simply not the case.

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Edited By NegativeCero

I would have loved if Bioware did this exact same thing. Good for him for not taking crap from the fans.

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Edited By PurplePartyRobot

Those who like the Tekken series can complain and whine all they want about Harada not adding features or voices they want and threaten that they won't buy the game, but at the end of the day they're still gonna buy the next game in the series whether Harada makes good on those requests or not so good on Harada for airing his grievances while explaining why requests such as "GIVE ME THE VOICE ACTOR THE WAY HE SOUNDED 15 YEARS AGO" is insane.

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There's no way that was 140 characters or less! :)

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@Jimbo said:

@Zippedbinders said:

@Jimbo said:

So... that's a 'no' on the voices then? I think it's cute when people in the industry sound off at/about their customers - it just makes it easier to buy less games. Not that I was buying Tekken anyway, of course.

Yeah, how dare people have opinions on how they like to make things.

There are ways to do that without sounding like you are telling your customers to go fuck themselves.

For instance: 'Sorry guys, we can't do that because x, y and z...' or 'We often get asked... let me take a minute to explain why we don't...'

As opposed to: 'Unnnnghhh!! God! Stop being such stupid babies. Let me try and explain this in small words that even you fucking idiots can understand. Not that I give a shit if you understand or not. Whatever.' Again, I'm fine with them taking the latter approach, just don't expect any more of my money. Whatever.

The thing here is that you're assuming that this is a new question and that this was his response. In all likely hood he and other staff members have answered these questions numerous times in interviews and on forums. If you've been working on something for 15 years, and have been subjugated to the same types of complaints time and time again, there becomes a snapping point. Patience can only be so thick before you get tired of the same question being asked over and over again, the same issues being brought up.

We're talking about dedicated/obsessed fans, the kind who often ignore any answer until its the one they want to hear. And even then, there's plenty of room for complaints.

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Edited By bybeach

I can't blame ppl. for wanting a series to retain what they most loved about it. It's when that love turns into fatal attraction that it gets weird. I have little interest in Tekken but I saw Deus Ex-Human revolution walk that past/present line and be judged on it, by myself included. i guess I would have to say most analysis both professional reviewer and end user was apropo and well within rights, entitled(so sick of...) or not. But some was nit-dicky and some other even downright fanatical.

Video games...it's getting well past the mark of just calling them that as if they were simple turtle speed evolving code variations of Pong. But that includes the bad as well the good generated by ppl. playing them.

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@King_Bonzo said:

Sounds like a well reasoned argument

It's about damn time developers start speaking their minds. I'm really getting tired of the amount of bullshit the press and members of the audience get away with nowadays because the sensation that everyone deserves the game they dream about.

I may not play the Tekken games, but this developer has expressed himself rationally and professionally. There was no real form of slander, just a pissed of person letting his thoughts known to the countless idiots we all know they deal with.

Bravo, and I hope more people like this start voicing themselves so this self-entitled mob mentality we have going right now can start being pushed back.

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I'd be out of sorts myself if I was dealing with pedantic Comic Book Guy types for the last 20 years..

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I'm in full support of this article. Fans have to stop whining so damn much.

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As not a Tekken fan I can't say this matters too much to me one way or another, but I have to say I like this rant. VAs do change sometimes, and while there are a lot of times that I don't like the changes... it happens.

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That last line is unbelievable, by the way.

Huh? He doesn't think people will understand even after his rant, why's that unbelievable?

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Amazing. Fantastic. I won't buy Tekken, because I've never cared for or about it, but I still appreciate straight talk when I see it.

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@Doomshine said:

@clush: He makes Namco a lot of money. I'm sure he'll be fine.

Oh he'll be fine no doubt. But that doesnt make it any less of a bad move. I'm not really sure what he's trying to achieve to begin with, but he's probaby shooting himself in the foot regardless with this tone. He's just venting and shouldve probably slept on it.

It's not very well written either, so I doubt he's given it too much thought before flinging this onto the internet. Some things you are better off just sucking up and sometimes you have to think twice about your reactions. I'd argue that's also part of "being an adult".

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Edited By HerbieBug

How is this news? Developer annoyed by fans of long time established franchise series? Why do we need an article on this?

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lol there are people mad about the sound in Tekken? Its never bothered me, once. Out of everything the FGC complains about sound is never one of them.

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I would go crazy making new installations in a series like Tekken for seventeen years. But then again, I already am crazy.

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I like king. He wore a mask or was a tiger. Whatever.

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I love you Harada even if I haven't bought a Tekken game in years.

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@mrfluke said:

the mass effect one was justified fans pushing on bioware cause that ending was bullshit, and now they have done good cause that extended ending is satisfying,

but this seems like stupid fans harassing a creator

This.

But Harada does present a reasonable argument. Something that can't be said for Casey Chugson and Hack Walters

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@YummyTreeSap: Hear, hear!

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lol the people who think negative on this response

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Edited By SatelliteOfLove

I am REALLY liking the new "laying down the LAW" attitude from more J-devs. It's especially good of him to seperate the "I have a bone to pick you with you devs and now I'm gonna bitch" crowd from the "I DONT have a bone with you and I'm gonna bitch" crowd. Sadly, the loudest of the ME3 howlers were of the later. Speaking of which:
 

I have even complied to the requests of you all spamming me to "bring back characters" from previous installments. You often say, "let's show the dev team how sincere we are by buying 2 copies if they bring back character X", but did you really go through with it? Expecting you to at least pre-order the game, I was met with more spam, after you apparently didn't notice that Jun and Michelle actually return.


 
This is one of the things I've been hapring on repeatedly, no talk without wallet! You wanna support a dev for a decision you liked? BUY THEIR SHIT. You feel like they're giving you a raw deal? DONT BUY THEIR SHIT.
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@HerbieBug said:

How is this news? Developer annoyed by fans of long time established franchise series? Why do we need an article on this?

Because we need to look at he fact that gamers have become a self entitled bunch that feel like they should control every single aspect of the design that goes into games and worst they do it in the most obnoxious idiotic way.

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People really expected them to use the same voices for 6 games over 10+ years. God I hate gamers more and more and I am one!

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@AngelN7 said:

@HerbieBug said:

How is this news? Developer annoyed by fans of long time established franchise series? Why do we need an article on this?

Because we need to look at he fact that gamers have become a self entitled bunch that feel like they should control every single aspect of the design that goes into games and worst they do it in the most obnoxious idiotic way.

The problem isnt the BioWhiners. It's that devs pay attention to them. People in large groups are idiots and the internet is comprised of large groups of people.

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I just imagined a Japanese David Jaffe after reading that rant.

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@sins_of_mosin said:

Coming from a guy who hasn't made any big changes to his series in the past 10 years, who the hell cares what he thinks.

yea tekken 4 is basically the same as tekken 6 right

i have decided in my mind that it is even if i don't actually know because the internet

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I have little vested interest in the Tekken series itself or whether I'm feeling entitled. I usually don't say a thing and vote with my feet. However the responses to this article are really decisive and addicting to read. The rights of the consumer versus the rights of the developer is what it seems to boil down to. Ultimately I suppose either side can understand each other or not understand each other. Whatever.

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@dekkadekkadekka
you need practice at taking a step back and analyzing things objectively. And also at being an adult.

This quote, albeit out of context but as a standalone statement, goes for consumers and members of the press.

Also good advice for absolutely every situation in life!
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This seems like kind of a pithy thing to even care about. Like, small enough that I'm surprised he even addressed it, especially given voices in something like Tekken have never seemed all that important. It's not like it has famous voice actors (at least, not famous on this side of the pond), and there aren't tons of iconic lines or something.
 
If David Hayter stopped voicing Solid Snake, people are going to notice. When Mark Hammil is no longer the Joker, his absence is felt. Those are characters that talk a lot and imbue their characters with life and personality.
 
But who gives a shit about Tekken voices? 90% of them are battle cries. It's all about perspective.

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@BlazeHedgehog said:

But who gives a shit about Tekken voices? 90% of them are battle cries. It's all about perspective.

Tekken fans, apparently.

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Don't really give a damn about Tekken or its voices but it's nice of him to be so candid. Refreshing.

To play the devil's advocate a little, maybe if less developers acted like they couldn't be bothered to actually address their fans' concerns directly, there would be a few less people constantly questioning - or "whining" about - things they simply don't understand.

He mentions a need to act as adults, yet more often fans/customers are written off like whiny children any time they dare express even legitimate concerns about the products they're buying.

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I really hate "bring back" requests, because essentailly people just want the same game they played 20 years ago. Tekken and Halo are the chief offenders in the "this is a brand new game and I feel like I already played it/ I'm already bored." scenario.

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I don't understand this- Street Fighter has used different voices for almost all of its iterations over the same time frame - nobody seems to care.

Why are the voice actors important to a fighting game?

Maybe it's only important because they haven't changed the voices in so long, so fans have come to expect them? Should have started changing them with each generation.

Also, Harada is awesome.

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@Hailinel said:

@BlazeHedgehog said:

But who gives a shit about Tekken voices? 90% of them are battle cries. It's all about perspective.

Tekken fans, apparently.

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I like that this guy stood up and said something about this. To be honest people will always want how they imagined playing a game was, and expect that to continue, but what if that were to change and instead of trying t recreate those feelings through the same type of game we create new feelings akin to that with new games. For me I try to support new IPs more than established franchises because I want to say thank you for trying something new and going out a limb, those experiences are what is exciting, falling in love with a new game, not trying to fall in love again with a game you are already in love with. It is like trying to experience that first hit of a drug again, almost nothing compares to that first hit and you are constantly trying to recapture that hit with larger quantities of that same drug but nothing compares, it is until you switch it up and try something new that you can experience a new kind of hit. (I am not saying games offer similar side effects in any way, just was a good example haha)

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@Paindamnation said:

@Hailinel said:

@BlazeHedgehog said:

But who gives a shit about Tekken voices? 90% of them are battle cries. It's all about perspective.

Tekken fans, apparently.

^

Maybe Tekken fans should care about things that actually matter, like fighting mechanics and game balance. Don't get me wrong, though I kind of get it - In Street Fighter 4, I switched to Japanese voices almost immediately because Chun-li, Ryu, etc. all didn't sound "right" unless they were using the original VAs. But either Harada is easily annoyed or people are bothering him way too much about something that is relatively insignificant.
 
Solid Snake talks a lot. Nathan Drake talks a lot. The Joker talks a lot. Their voices matter. But this is a fighting game. It does not bother me so much that Spider-man in Marvel vs. Capcom 3 sounds completely different than Spider-man in Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Certainly not enough to prompt somebody from Capcom to come out and tell me "Hey, stop being a baby and suck it up, loser."
 
One way or the other, somebody in this situation is overreacting.
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pretty much told everyone how many fucks from 0 - 10 he gives... I'm leaning towads 0

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=( now i'll be sad if one day Ed Boon is no longer scorpion...

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@Saganomics said:

@musicman1024 said:

@Saganomics: I was unclear, I totally agree with it being okay to call out artists for making a product that the consumer finds terrible. Effort certainly isn't going to appease everyone, and I've found even my favorite writers/game designers have produced products leaving a sour taste in my mouth.

But It goes back to the fact that regardless of how you feel about it, it's still someone's creation, and hence deserves to be treated with respect to the fact that someone created this over many painstaking hours. It might be the worse thing you've ever experienced, but the creator should never be nagged to reach into their work of art and change things because the consumer disagrees with the way it was created.

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Total agreement.

Woah, I think this is probably the best thing I've ever read on this website.

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I was hoping for a more general rant on consumer entitlement, but whatever. This is still cool to read.

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That last part was amazing

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He is right, fans can be completely crazy with their requests/demands and unreasonable, i remember seeing someone shouting and screaming for Heihachi to have his original voice actor despite the fact he died over a year ago. Im sure they will use as many samples as they can but it just gets unmanageable. The only question fans should be asking is "is the game any good?", if the answer to that is yes then there shouldnt be any problem.

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Followed!

I think it's safe to say Harada is awesome! It makes me feel bad that I haven't bought a Tekken game in ages.

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Edited By klinkcow

This is so openly brutal and honest. I'm sure a PR person is stressed about this right now, but I think this transparency works in his favor.

I haven't cared about Tekken in 10 years, but this, for some reason, makes me want to revisit it.