I completely agree.  I hate the combat in Enslaved (the demo's at least) and in Heavenly Sword.  Twice they've failed to deliver satisfying combat, and that is the main thing I love about DMC (other things being Dante's personality and fun boss fights, etc).  It's always had great combat (Ok, maybe not so great in 2, but I still enjoyed 2... although I was 12 or 13).  I was initially angry about the look but I got over that and decided it could be a good plot element with his hair being half black and him smoking.  Something crazy might happen to completely change him and that might be cool... but yeah.  I really wish they gave this game to someone else :/.

"I was initially angry about the look but I got over that and decided it could be a good plot element with his hair being half black and him smoking.  Something crazy might happen to completely change him and that might be cool... but yeah.  I really wish they gave this game to someone else :/. "

..........yeah............

RIP DMC 
 
 
:(

" @xobballox said:

"I was initially angry about the look but I got over that and decided it could be a good plot element with his hair being half black and him smoking.  Something crazy might happen to completely change him and that might be cool... but yeah.  I really wish they gave this game to someone else :/. "

..........yeah............

"

You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm subscribing to the idea that Capcom went to Ninja Theory and asked for a proof of concept demonstration. We don't know what was in that, and we don't know what Ninja Theory's idea for DmC is. What they could've shown and told Capcom could very well be groundbreaking and impressive in the context of a single player action game. 
 
With a track record like Ninja Theory's, one would have to assume that whatever they have in store for DmC is something Capcom is behind one hundred percent on. Otherwise they would've just done another Blue Castle.

HERP DERP THE NEW DEVIL MAY CRY IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE HEAVENLY SWORD BECAUSE NINJA THEORY MADE THAT GAME

That's this thread. Please, shut up until you know anything at all about this game.

" HERP DERP THE NEW DEVIL MAY CRY IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE HEAVENLY SWORD BECAUSE NINJA THEORY MADE THAT GAME That's this thread. Please, shut up until you know anything at all about this game. "

" @wrathofconn said:

" HERP DERP THE NEW DEVIL MAY CRY IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE HEAVENLY SWORD BECAUSE NINJA THEORY MADE THAT GAME That's this thread. Please, shut up until you know anything at all about this game. "

A DEVELOPER'S BEAT 'EM UP TRACK RECORD IS NO INDICATION OF WHAT THEIR NEXT BEAT 'EM UP IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE

That's your post. Please, shut up and realize that we do know something about this game: that it's being handled by a third-rate developer.If an amateur boxer is going to take on a champion, it's only reasonable to assume that he'll be ripped to shreds. "

" @Icemael said:

" @wrathofconn said:

" HERP DERP THE NEW DEVIL MAY CRY IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE HEAVENLY SWORD BECAUSE NINJA THEORY MADE THAT GAME That's this thread. Please, shut up until you know anything at all about this game. "

A DEVELOPER'S BEAT 'EM UP TRACK RECORD IS NO INDICATION OF WHAT THEIR NEXT BEAT 'EM UP IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE

That's your post. Please, shut up and realize that we do know something about this game: that it's being handled by a third-rate developer.If an amateur boxer is going to take on a champion, it's only reasonable to assume that he'll be ripped to shreds. "

Nice logic you have there.  Ever heard of a boxer called Cassius Clay? Yeah....   How about you leave logic to those who can think.  Thanks. "

There is a lot at stake in this internet fight.

" @vidiot said:

" @xobballox said:

"I was initially angry about the look but I got over that and decided it could be a good plot element with his hair being half black and him smoking.  Something crazy might happen to completely change him and that might be cool... but yeah.  I really wish they gave this game to someone else :/. "

..........yeah............

"

WHAT.  I don't approve of him smoking, I'm just saying I guess it could be a plot element that may turn out to be at least interesting.  I'm not sure what this picture means. "

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @Icemael said:

" @wrathofconn said:

" HERP DERP THE NEW DEVIL MAY CRY IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE HEAVENLY SWORD BECAUSE NINJA THEORY MADE THAT GAME That's this thread. Please, shut up until you know anything at all about this game. "

A DEVELOPER'S BEAT 'EM UP TRACK RECORD IS NO INDICATION OF WHAT THEIR NEXT BEAT 'EM UP IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE

That's your post. Please, shut up and realize that we do know something about this game: that it's being handled by a third-rate developer.If an amateur boxer is going to take on a champion, it's only reasonable to assume that he'll be ripped to shreds. "

Nice logic you have there.  Ever heard of a boxer called Cassius Clay? Yeah....   How about you leave logic to those who can think.  Thanks. "

Possibility =/= probability. Go back to elementary school and leave the reasoning to the big boys. "

" @Icemael said:

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @Icemael said:

" @wrathofconn said:

" HERP DERP THE NEW DEVIL MAY CRY IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE HEAVENLY SWORD BECAUSE NINJA THEORY MADE THAT GAME That's this thread. Please, shut up until you know anything at all about this game. "

A DEVELOPER'S BEAT 'EM UP TRACK RECORD IS NO INDICATION OF WHAT THEIR NEXT BEAT 'EM UP IS GOING TO PLAY LIKE

That's your post. Please, shut up and realize that we do know something about this game: that it's being handled by a third-rate developer.If an amateur boxer is going to take on a champion, it's only reasonable to assume that he'll be ripped to shreds. "

Nice logic you have there.  Ever heard of a boxer called Cassius Clay? Yeah....   How about you leave logic to those who can think.  Thanks. "

Possibility =/= probability. Go back to elementary school and leave the reasoning to the big boys. "

Your point of view regarding this game and Ninja Theory also applies.  ALL you know is that Ninja Theory are doing this game for Capcom.  That's the totality of your information.  You haven't played the game.  Yes, you've played one game from them previously (or purport to have) and possibly one demo of one unreleased game, neither of which are this game.  You're playing probabilities with an extremely limited set of criteria and somehow you think that makes you have an expert opinion.   It doesn't.  You certainly may have some grounds for concern, based on your limited exposure to their previous works and nobody is questioning that fact but what you lack are any sort of hard facts with regards to this specific game. I'm certainly not saying that you should trust them blindly but I'm definitively saying that you can't judge the game until it's out.  Clay won against Liston in a shocking win which he predicted and nobody thought would happen.  All the odds were against him too and there were countless 'expert' opinions like yours floating about saying there was no way he'd win, let alone in the first round. They were wrong and maybe you might be too. "

"   Capcom obviously feels as if they can trust Ninja Theory to develop the next DMC and they're spending more money than you will.  They're not idiots and have a track record which is indicative of their success and experience. "

Capcom themselves said that they are huge fans of Heavenly Sword, so that's why.
 
/Thread

Let me start with say that DMC3 is the best of the series.
 
That being said, DmC4 was average at best! Half the game you play as someone who looked like Dante but wasn't Dante, then you played Dante through the same levels.  The game felt like it went through the right motions but ended up lacking any real soul.
 
You know why this is?  Like any company pumping out sequels, they had too much source material and too much fan wank to cater to.  DMC needed to be douched out and what a perfect way to do so is give it to a western developer. 
 
Hell, even  Hideki Kamiya needed to get away from DMC to make a decent game.  I'd count bayonetta several orders of magnitude better than DMC4.
 
What it comes down to is this: Dante's story was throw away, the game play  of DMC4 lacks any real impact or flair and it's hasn't been in the hands of the original developer for years.  Change is okay, give it a chance, it's not like it could be more average than the last one.

" @vidiot: Edginess isn't the point, the point is that with the original Dante it was a big point that he DID NOT smoke, and some people were complaining about this new Dante smoking (elsewhere on the internet).  I'm simply saying it doesn't really bother me. "

" Yeah, after playing the Enslaved demo I'm very concerned for the well being of DMC. I'll wait to see some actual gameplay before I make any assumptions though."

" Hell, even  Hideki Kamiya needed to get away from DMC to make a decent game.  I'd count bayonetta several orders of magnitude better than DMC4. "

" @SuperfluousMoniker said:

" Yeah, after playing the Enslaved demo I'm very concerned for the well being of DMC. I'll wait to see some actual gameplay before I make any assumptions though."

Really? Sometimes I have no idea what it is people are after. Often, and especially in the case of DMC/Ninja Theory, it just seems that you can never get gamers on your side.  Can we remember for a second that DMC2 and arguably 4 were both really, terribly shit? "

Ninja Theory, to my surprise, made another game before Heavenly sword..... KUNG FU CHAOS! That game was awesome! Just make the next DMC into a party game Ninja Theory. Save yourselves from inevitable taking things too seriously. I won't be with Dante looking like that. Take that phony back to Arkham. Batman's looking for him.

" @GetEveryone said:

" @SuperfluousMoniker said:

" Yeah, after playing the Enslaved demo I'm very concerned for the well being of DMC. I'll wait to see some actual gameplay before I make any assumptions though."

Really? Sometimes I have no idea what it is people are after. Often, and especially in the case of DMC/Ninja Theory, it just seems that you can never get gamers on your side.  Can we remember for a second that DMC2 and arguably 4 were both really, terribly shit? "

i only remember 4 had recycle'd boss, levels and monopoly. And I believe I punched the pope in that game but not as classy as AC2.  Have you guys tried the Enslaved demo yet? A lot of things they do in game kinda fits DMC: . Semi fixed camera perspective . So-so platforming (fixed jumping) . Animation over everything else  I'm just curious whether Ninja Theory have the capabilities to make a complex combat system, Their previous 2 titles's combat mechanics are reaaaaaally simple. "

Heavenly Sword was great, Enslaved looks okay, but this new DMC just doesn't look cool.

" Devil May Cry sure has a strong following considering every other game in the series is pretty awful. "

" Capcom themselves said that they are huge fans of Heavenly Sword, so that's why.  /Thread "

The demo for Enslaved was pretty fun. It set to rest a few of my concerns.  
Ninja Theory seems to be improving as a developer from their days as Just Add Monsters. 

" Devil May Cry sure has a strong following considering every other game in the series is pretty awful. "

" @valrog said:

" Capcom themselves said that they are huge fans of Heavenly Sword, so that's why.  /Thread "

Cus Capcom makes such great judgement calls lately? Oh wait, they've been on a streak of mediocrity because most of their talent left. "

" @ryanwho said:

" @valrog said:

" Capcom themselves said that they are huge fans of Heavenly Sword, so that's why.  /Thread "

Cus Capcom makes such great judgement calls lately? Oh wait, they've been on a streak of mediocrity because most of their talent left. "

That's not relevant. They own the IP, they make the calls. "

" @valrog said:

" @ryanwho said:

" @valrog said:

" Capcom themselves said that they are huge fans of Heavenly Sword, so that's why.  /Thread "

Cus Capcom makes such great judgement calls lately? Oh wait, they've been on a streak of mediocrity because most of their talent left. "

That's not relevant. They own the IP, they make the calls. "

So you're just stating the obvious as if that shuts down the discussion. Really the publisher makes the calls? What a revelation! I guess we're wasting time complaining. "

" @valrog said:

" @ryanwho said:

" @valrog said:

" Capcom themselves said that they are huge fans of Heavenly Sword, so that's why.  /Thread "

Cus Capcom makes such great judgement calls lately? Oh wait, they've been on a streak of mediocrity because most of their talent left. "

That's not relevant. They own the IP, they make the calls. "

So you're just stating the obvious as if that shuts down the discussion. Really the publisher makes the calls? What a revelation! I guess we're wasting time complaining. "

Chair Entertainment made Undertow before they made Shadow Complex. From Software made Armored Core: For Answer before they made Demon's Souls. 
 
In other words, it's silly to condemn a developer after a single game which wasn't all that bad. Especially considering how much trouble the PS3 was to develop for in the beginning.

" @valrog said:

" @ryanwho said:

" @valrog said:

" Capcom themselves said that they are huge fans of Heavenly Sword, so that's why.  /Thread "

Cus Capcom makes such great judgement calls lately? Oh wait, they've been on a streak of mediocrity because most of their talent left. "

That's not relevant. They own the IP, they make the calls. "

So you're just stating the obvious as if that shuts down the discussion. Really the publisher makes the calls? What a revelation! I guess we're wasting time complaining. "

" Chair Entertainment made Undertow before they made Shadow Complex. From Software made Armored Core: For Answer before they made Demon's Souls.   In other words, it's silly to condemn a developer after a single game which wasn't all that bad. Especially considering how much trouble the PS3 was to develop for in the beginning. "

" Chair Entertainment made Undertow before they made Shadow Complex. From Software made Armored Core: For Answer before they made Demon's Souls.   In other words, it's silly to condemn a developer after a single game which wasn't all that bad. Especially considering how much trouble the PS3 was to develop for in the beginning. "

Capcom is trying to inject new blood into an old franchise. trying to make it appeal broader. Nintendo did the same thing with metrid

" @ryanwho said:

" @valrog said:

" @ryanwho said:

" @valrog said:

" Capcom themselves said that they are huge fans of Heavenly Sword, so that's why.  /Thread "

Cus Capcom makes such great judgement calls lately? Oh wait, they've been on a streak of mediocrity because most of their talent left. "

That's not relevant. They own the IP, they make the calls. "

So you're just stating the obvious as if that shuts down the discussion. Really the publisher makes the calls? What a revelation! I guess we're wasting time complaining. "

If it's so obvious, then why is there a thread about it? "

" Capcom is trying to inject new blood into an old franchise. trying to make it appeal broader. Nintendo did the same thing with metrid "

 @odintal said:

" From Software is a bad comparison. They've been around since the original Playstation days and all of their games are hit or miss.  Enchanted Arms? King's Field? Ninja Blade?  "

" From Software has a much larger catalog of games they developed than just Armored Core:  For Answer and Demon's Souls. "

" @slightconfuse said:

" Capcom is trying to inject new blood into an old franchise. trying to make it appeal broader. Nintendo did the same thing with metrid "

Perfect example as to how this could break bad. "

" @Hailinel: No, making about 10 posts in a thread and ignoring your rampaging ignorance didn't leave me winded. Yes, if I bothered to read your shit it would have tired me out, kind of like how you shat on a game you never even played in this very thread for a couple pages. You so lack self awareness that it's always kind of a chore having a discussion with you. You're alowed to troll shit, and other people aren't allowed to have opinions on games they actually played. One day maybe you'll grow out of this Kieth Olberman style "I'm petty and self rightious at the same time, good day to you sir stupidhead" phase but until then, maybe you can gain the willpower to ignore me like you said you would instead of trying to start a new fight every time I continue to not care for Other M. Is that possible at all? "

So its not possible then. Well then, you keep fuming on that like a child, I'll be moving along.