EPIC Games Pre-Xbox 360 or Post-Xbox 360?

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#1 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

EPIC Games was once known for pushing PC gamers to their limits, and giving them games that no one else at the time could counter with.  Unreal took over Id's Quake like a fucking boss, and they even gave discounts to us idiots who bought UT2k3.   
 
However, after the Xbox 360's Gears of War, it's like EPIC gave the finger to PC gamers.  Some might debate that Gears is better than UT, but they are idiots who are handicapped so their voices are kinda moot.   
 
EPIC gave PC gamers UT3, instead of the proper UT2k7...and we all know what happened to the UT franchise now.   
 
So, just wondering if people prefer the EPIC Games of Pre-Xbox 360 or Post-Xbox 360.  I think I already hold a bias, but I'll be interested to know why people prefer the new EPIC Games.  

#2 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11303 posts) -

As a console gamer who loves Gears of War, I'd have to say post-360.  
 
Also, didn't they publish Shadow Complex? That game was pretty slick. 

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#3 Posted by zombie2011 (4983 posts) -

Didn't care about anything Epic related until Gears of War so post-360.

#4 Posted by Cslaw (217 posts) -

pre-360 thats only because I'm living in the past and still play pc games predominantly 

#5 Posted by DarkTravesty (330 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
"  Some might debate that Gears is better than UT, but they are idiots who are handicapped so their voices are kinda moot. "
#6 Posted by Tru3_Blu3 (3222 posts) -

Pre-Xbox360. While GeoW1 struck my heart with everlasting nostalgia (it was my first 360 game, shaddap), nothing will ever be as good at UT04 or '99. They had crap loads of game modes and maps, and tons of mods that made the games last for years. The Gears of War franchise, and the limited hardware it's burdened with, will never be as amazing as a PC game like UT04.

#7 Posted by SadPatrol (500 posts) -

post xbox 360, but if i vote that my opinion is moot right?  
 
TC thinks PC gamers are the master race............GO!!!!!!!!!

#8 Posted by luchadeer797 (294 posts) -

I personally enjoyed both the Gears of War games despite there flaws, and they published both Shadow Complex and upcoming Bulletstorm which seems like stupid fun. Thats a pretty damn good track record, id go with post-360.

#9 Posted by Zidd (1851 posts) -

Epic was making games long before unreal came out. but Epic hasn't been making anything but shooters since unreal was released. Whatever happened to Jazz Jackrabbit? As much as I want a proper sequel to UT2K4 a new Jazz game would be much better since its unlike anything they have been making lately.

#10 Posted by Skytylz (4033 posts) -

I prefer Gears to quake or unreal, but I don't really like Gears that much either.  Epic has never really made a game I love.

#11 Edited by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@SadPatrol: It's also their attitude.  EPIC charing for maps and shit, they would NEVER do this if they stuck with PC.  Valve and Blizzard are staying true to the foundations, and never lost faith in the PC community.  PC gamers MADE EPIC what they are today, not the other way around.
#12 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
" I think I already hold a bias, but I'll be interested to know why people prefer the new EPIC Games.   "
I think you've just won the award for under statement of the year. 
Perhaps you can put it beside your "most annoying Playstation fanboy of the year" one.
#13 Posted by XenoNick (1451 posts) -

Well since I enjoy Gears more than Unreal I say Post-360.

#14 Posted by Tru3_Blu3 (3222 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
" @SadPatrol: It's also their attitude.  EPIC charing for maps and shit, they would NEVER do this if they stuck with PC.  Valve and Blizzard are staying true to the foundations, and never lost faith in the PC community.  PC gamers MADE EPIC what they are today, not the other way around. "
This. Whoever prefers post-360 never played Epic's PC titles.
#15 Posted by Azteck (7449 posts) -

Post 360. I never cared for the UT franchise, and while I don't care much about GoW either, I prefer them.

#16 Posted by jarryd (255 posts) -

two words: jazz jackrabbit

#17 Posted by SadPatrol (500 posts) -
@KaosAngel: I know what you mean, Valve and Blizzard are staying true to their roots and I respect that but I don't feel EPIC owes anything to their original fans. EPIC and Valve both make games that I love. But since i am a console gamer (primarily) I get shit on when it comes to Valves games, specifically team fortress 2. But EPIC made a ton of fans with Gears of War and if they went back to focusing on PC shooters they would turn their back on us.
#18 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8699 posts) -

Don't care, as long as the games are fun.

#19 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.   
 
Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War.
#20 Posted by SuperWristBands (2266 posts) -

I think UT3 was more fun to play then any of the Gears games but I am also new to the PC crowd and am not familiar with EPIC's earlier games.
 
I'm not gonna say which I think is better though, because in the end I just don't care enough to make the choice.

#21 Posted by Toms115 (2316 posts) -

i still play ut2004 occasionally so pre-360. i did actually enjoy the multiplayer components of gears of war 1 + 2, but ut2004 > gears of war.

#22 Posted by Andorski (5343 posts) -

I blame Epic's heavy influence on post-apocalyptic shooters in the US market on them, so can I pick neither?

#23 Posted by SamFo (1535 posts) -

I played some GOW 2 again the other day and remembered how amazing that game is.  Post 360.

#24 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "
Your comments here really highlight everything that's wrong with gaming to me.  Honestly, does it make such a difference what you're playing games on?  Why don't you just enjoy playing them, without worrying what platform they're on and who's "betrayed" who to bring it out on such and such..  
 
Do you hate franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy for turning their backs on the systems that originally made them popular?  Or are they okay in your eyes because they're now on a Playstation system? 
 
Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care about these things.  I also find it mildly amusing that you consider yourself a "neutral" gamer.
#25 Posted by Hockeymask27 (3683 posts) -
@zombie2011 said:
" Didn't care about anything Epic related until Gears of War so post-360. "
#26 Posted by SuperWristBands (2266 posts) -
@WinterSnowblind said:
" @KaosAngel said:
" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "
Your comments here really highlight everything that's wrong with gaming to me.  Honestly, does it make such a difference what you're playing games on?  Why don't you just enjoy playing them, without worrying what platform they're on and who's "betrayed" who to bring it out on such and such..  
 
Do you hate franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy for turning their backs on the systems that originally made them popular?  Or are they okay in your eyes because they're now on a Playstation system?  Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care about these things.  I also find it mildly amusing that you consider yourself a "neutral" gamer. "
I think hes saying how completely different Gears of War is from the older PC games. Fast and frantic, compared to what a modern TPS is today. I don't think it has anything to do with them not making as many PC games.
#27 Edited by Toms115 (2316 posts) -
@WinterSnowblind said:

" @KaosAngel said:

" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "
Your comments here really highlight everything that's wrong with gaming to me.  Honestly, does it make such a difference what you're playing games on?  Why don't you just enjoy playing them, without worrying what platform they're on and who's "betrayed" who to bring it out on such and such..  
 
Do you hate franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy for turning their backs on the systems that originally made them popular?  Or are they okay in your eyes because they're now on a Playstation system?  Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care about these things.  I also find it mildly amusing that you consider yourself a "neutral" gamer. "
the difference here is that metal gear solid and final fantasy are/will be available on both 360 and ps3, whereas most of epic's games are now exclusive to the 360. i don't really care for which platform a game is on but when you build a company on a certain fanbase and then decide to partially ignore that fanbase i can understand why someone would be annoyed.
#28 Posted by SadPatrol (500 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "
Shit happens.
#29 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@WinterSnowblind: 
 
PC gamers made EPIC what they are, and EPIC releases a PC game once in blue moon.  If Valve or Blizzard went straight console and completely abandoned their PC fanbase, it would be the same deal.  If PC gamers didn't buy UT99 and UT2k4 in droves, EPIC would have never been able to make Gears of War.  EPIC treats back PC gamers with UT3 when they promised UT2k7 (the proper sequel to UT2k4).  
#30 Posted by BraveToaster (12589 posts) -

Post-360. I never really got into UT.

#31 Edited by AlexW00d (6308 posts) -
@WinterSnowblind said:

" @KaosAngel said:

" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "
Your comments here really highlight everything that's wrong with gaming to me.  Honestly, does it make such a difference what you're playing games on?  Why don't you just enjoy playing them, without worrying what platform they're on and who's "betrayed" who to bring it out on such and such..  
 
Do you hate franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy for turning their backs on the systems that originally made them popular?  Or are they okay in your eyes because they're now on a Playstation system?  Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care about these things.  I also find it mildly amusing that you consider yourself a "neutral" gamer. "
If a company makes a certain product for a certain consumer base which becomes really popular and gains them a great reputation. and then they just stop making that product and make something else just because another company bottle feeds them money, don't you see that as, at the very least, a bit disrespectful? 
 
I don't think any of Kaos' points have even mentioned a Playstation, so I don't know why you even mentioned it.
#32 Edited by xyzygy (10032 posts) -

I'm pretty sure that the success of Gears made Epic what they are today, not PC Gamers... if there was no Gears they would probably be the same Epic you loved when they were doing PC stuff. Therefore, Gears led them to be what they are now. 
 
And since when was your name green, Kaos!

#33 Posted by ajamafalous (12039 posts) -

UT2k44L.

#34 Posted by MattyFTM (14417 posts) -

Platforms are dependent on the publisher. And you can't afford to develop big blockbuster games like Gears without publisher backing. It's not a case of Epic letting down PC gamers, it's Microsoft. And you can't blame Epic for jumping at the opportunity to have their new, unproven franchise funded for a number of years.

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#35 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5841 posts) -

I played Unreal Tournament once. That was fun.
 
So I guess, Pre-360 EPIC it is.

#36 Posted by Gruff182 (862 posts) -

This arguement can be made for a lot of the best developers. As for Epic, I don't really care for GoW or Unreal.  They'd may as well just stick to tech as far as i'm concerned.
 
Though i'd love to see where Bethesda and Dice would be at, if PC was still the main platform. Imagine what kind of Battlefield we could be playing if it wasn't held back by the consoles.
 
At the end of the day though, their buisnesses that have to make money and PC gamers seem contempt on killing their own platform with piracy and the like. Also, it's the publishers who decide which platforms the game come out on, it's their investment afterall.

#37 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@Gruff182 said:
" Dice would be at, if PC was still the main platform. "
DICE already said BF3 won't be compromised on PC and that the PC is the absolute version, so we'll find out in March what DICE has been up to since BF2.
#38 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

Pre-360.

#39 Edited by ProfessorEss (7451 posts) -

I will never understand these black and white arguments.
This whole "for us or against us" mentality is naive.
 
"We made Epic what they are today and then they turned their back on us".
Pffft, gamer please. Epic made Epic what they are today and you're fooling yourselves if you think you deserve any of the credit.

#40 Posted by Underachiever007 (2468 posts) -

I've never played a pre-360 EPIC game.

#41 Posted by emem (1968 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
"Unreal took over Id's Quake like a fucking boss..                                         "
?
#42 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@emem said:
" @KaosAngel said:
"Unreal took over Id's Quake like a fucking boss..                                         "
? "
....are you seriously implying that Quake was better than UT?  
#43 Posted by yinstarrunner (1219 posts) -

I simply cannot fathom the type of person who would prefer Gears to Unreal.
 
I mean, Gears is ALRIGHT, but it doesn't come anywhere close to any of the Unreal Tournament games.   At all.
 
Pre-360 Epic all the way.  Not because of platform loyalty, but simply because Gears multiplayer is absolutely atrocious when compared to the mastery of UT2k4.

#44 Posted by Sticky_Pennies (2019 posts) -

Pre-360. 
Jazz Jackrabbit and the original Unreal/Unreal Tournament were fucking rad.

#45 Edited by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

There is no better Science Fiction Team Based Multiplayer game than UT2k4.  Lots of contenders to the crown, but nobody has made a better, more dynamic MP experience than what is on offer in 2k4.  The only game that comes close is Battlefield Bad Company 2 and it's a lot more serious overall.  Remember console gamers, almost all of your MP features have a direct lineage from UT2k4 and Unreal.  Things like co-op, matchmaking and Firefight/Survival were all part of Unreal andUT2K4.  EPIC pre XBOX 360 lead the way in terms of gaming innovation and refinement, post 360 they lead the way in frat boy douchebaggery with Cliffy B as their feareless midget tryhard WEADER.
 
yeah, I hate Cliffy B.

#46 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4851 posts) -

A lot of people in this thread bitching about Unreal Tournament. I wonder if any of them ever stopped to think that people in a creative medium often get tired of doing the same old shit in one continuous loop.  
 
Probably not.

#47 Posted by yinstarrunner (1219 posts) -
@KingWilly said:
" A lot of people in this thread bitching about Unreal Tournament. I wonder if any of them ever stopped to think that people in a creative medium often get tired of doing the same old shit in one continuous loop.   Probably not. "
I'm sorry, does that automatically qualify Gears of War as being better than Unreal Tournament?  No, it doesn't.  The intentions behind the change are irrelevant.  People in this thread aren't complaining that there is no more Unreal Tournament, but that Gears of War is nowhere near as good.
#48 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4851 posts) -
@yinstarrunner said:
" @KingWilly said:
" A lot of people in this thread bitching about Unreal Tournament. I wonder if any of them ever stopped to think that people in a creative medium often get tired of doing the same old shit in one continuous loop.   Probably not. "
I'm sorry, does that automatically qualify Gears of War as being better than Unreal Tournament?  No, it doesn't.  The intentions behind the change are irrelevant.  People in this thread aren't complaining that there is no more Unreal Tournament, but that Gears of War is nowhere near as good. "
I must've missed that memo. I wasn't aware that Gears of War was bad, I thought it was just different.
 
Gears is a very different game than Unreal Tournament. If it's not your style, fine. To say it's "nowhere near as good" is kind of a stretch, though. What's your rubric for making that decision, exactly?
#49 Edited by emem (1968 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:

" @emem said:

" @KaosAngel said:
"Unreal took over Id's Quake like a fucking boss..                                         "
? "
....are you seriously implying that Quake was better than UT?   "
Quake was always more successful and had a bigger player base than UT, saying "UT took over Quake" is wrong. And for me Q1 and Q3 were miles better than any UT game, but that's just a matter of taste.. 
#50 Posted by JJOR64 (19023 posts) -

They are making games where the money is.
 
On Topic:  I really look them pre and post.

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