90% of you would dissagree with me, but...

" @Video_Game_King said:

" @armaan8014 said:

Yep Witcher2: Assassins of kings

Shit. That's probably going to be the worst game in the history of all things. As for Mass Effect 2, I'm in that 10%, mainly because I haven't played it. I doubt Fable 3 will beat it, but I hope FF13 does. (Even though it probably won't, given the mediocre "thanks for spoiling it for everybody else, Japan-savvy users" response.) "

Where do you get that conclusion from? The first game was received very well, despite its technical flaws. And from what I've seen from the gameplay videos, The Witcher 2 is looking to be even better than the first. "

" @natural_deadhead said:

" Sorry, I have to say again that the witcher was a far more inferior game to mass effect 2 atleast in the ways you listed. The voice acting was horrible, the graphics were crap and the combat was click, click, click. The main character was the most boring part about that game. "

So it proves how the English version was killed in comparison to the original Polish. "

" I am part of the 90%. In my humble opinion, you Sir are...
 

"

Are all the cool kids now saying Mass Effect 2 is an "average" game?
 
Sorry, but every site is saying this is one of the best games of all time. There are games where you can be totally wrong for saying that it is average, and this is one of them.
 
Halo: reach is Halo. It is not going to be even 1/10th the story of Mass Effect 2, idiot.
Final Fantasy XIII!!! Don't make me laugh.
Fable 3? Yeah, it will be good, but the story and actual gameplay won't even touch Mass Effect 2.
Fallout: New Vegas is being made by a team who made an "average" game YEARS ago. 
Brink looks average
Rage looks like a completely different game that is going for a different feel (like most of the games you listed)

Jeff said on the podcast, "there are going to be people who say that Mass Effect 2 is anything special, but they are wrong. Gamers will look back at how Mass Effect 2 seemingly blends action/storytelling/rpg elements into one."
 
Oh, and change that percentage to 99.99% of people disagreeing with you. You are wrong, it is as simple as that.
 
Mass Effect 2 is one of the best games ever created. Deal/live with it.
 
Troll harder next time. Reported your trolling.
 
Once again, YOU ARE WRONG!  You are wrong just like the people who say Uncharted 2 isn't amazing, you are wrong just like people who say Portal isn't amazing, or Half-life, etc...
 
Please leave the site. You are no longer a gamer at all.

" NPC don't move or talk to each other. "
 
Did you even play the game? Were you even in Omega or Illium? 
 
I'm not calling ME2 GOTY Material, It's just stupid to say that with all the games coming out this year, And I do respect your opinion. But like others said it seems to me that you came in to the game expecting to much and the only game on your list I agree with is Fallout.

Well all credibility was lost once I saw Reach as a choice for GOTY.

What is with all of The Witcher hate, thread?  I am on a play-through right now (first time, I bought it during a Steam sale a while ago) and it is absolutely amazing.  I'm actually sorry I missed out for so long.

The only thing I agree with is that the cities are to small. Calling the voice actors bad is just silly.

whats brink?

Only thing I thought was bad about ME 2 was the "body language". Characters were stiff and had weird hands etc. Great game tho, but I wouldn't say game of the year until were in December and I haven't played any other games that were better than ME 2. And it feels more like an shooter than an RPG...

" Are all the cool kids now saying Mass Effect 2 is an "average" game?  Sorry, but every site is saying this is one of the best games of all time. There are games where you can be totally wrong for saying that it is average, and this is one of them.   Halo: reach is Halo. It is not going to be even 1/10th the story of Mass Effect 2, idiot. Final Fantasy XIII!!! Don't make me laugh. Fable 3? Yeah, it will be good, but the story and actual gameplay won't even touch Mass Effect 2. Fallout: New Vegas is being made by a team who made an "average" game YEARS ago.  Brink looks averageRage looks like a completely different game that is going for a different feel (like most of the games you listed)Jeff said on the podcast, "there are going to be people who say that Mass Effect 2 is anything special, but they are wrong. Gamers will look back at how Mass Effect 2 seemingly blends action/storytelling/rpg elements into one."  Oh, and change that percentage to 99.99% of people disagreeing with you. You are wrong, it is as simple as that.  Mass Effect 2 is one of the best games ever created. Deal/live with it.  Troll harder next time. Reported your trolling.  Once again, YOU ARE WRONG!  You are wrong just like the people who say Uncharted 2 isn't amazing, you are wrong just like people who say Portal isn't amazing, or Half-life, etc...  Please leave the site. You are no longer a gamer at all. "

" Are all the cool kids now saying Mass Effect 2 is an "average" game?  Sorry, but every site is saying this is one of the best games of all time. There are games where you can be totally wrong for saying that it is average, and this is one of them.   Halo: reach is Halo. It is not going to be even 1/10th the story of Mass Effect 2, idiot. Final Fantasy XIII!!! Don't make me laugh. Fable 3? Yeah, it will be good, but the story and actual gameplay won't even touch Mass Effect 2. Fallout: New Vegas is being made by a team who made an "average" game YEARS ago.  Brink looks averageRage looks like a completely different game that is going for a different feel (like most of the games you listed)Jeff said on the podcast, "there are going to be people who say that Mass Effect 2 is anything special, but they are wrong. Gamers will look back at how Mass Effect 2 seemingly blends action/storytelling/rpg elements into one."  Oh, and change that percentage to 99.99% of people disagreeing with you. You are wrong, it is as simple as that.  Mass Effect 2 is one of the best games ever created. Deal/live with it.  Troll harder next time. Reported your trolling.  Once again, YOU ARE WRONG!  You are wrong just like the people who say Uncharted 2 isn't amazing, you are wrong just like people who say Portal isn't amazing, or Half-life, etc...  Please leave the site. You are no longer a gamer at all. "

Well it can't be worse than the first game...

 i share the OP' s general desire to prick The Doctors' bubble a bit... there's a politically correct  new age boreyness about them.
(they make good games though)

So, a game isn't GOTY material because it makes some standard concessions for the sake of preserving gameplay?
 
And a whole bunch of games that nobody here has played because they're not even finished yet are definitely better?
 
Oooookay.

"  Before people start claiming ME2 as potential game of the year, consider the other games being released this year. I personally think these games will be MUCH better.   
Halo: Reach 
The Witcher 2  
Final Fantasy XIII 
Fable 3 
Fallout: New Vegas 
Brink 
Rage and more... "

You're entitled to your opinion, dude.
 
And your opinion is wrong.

As soon as you listed Halo Reach after going to be much better than ME2 I got a nice laugh out of it, so thanks.

" I am part of the 90%. In my humble opinion, you Sir are...
 

"

I suppose I could take your list of problems more seriously if they applied equally to other games. But they don't, really. Especially your first point. There are limits to what games can do these days. I would say that no game lives up to what seem to be your expectations for the first point. Day and night cycles add to a sense of realism, but usually just add in gameplay complications that detract from the primary experience. No one wants to hunt around for a character to talk to because they've walked across town. So there's a built in limitation. Is Mass Effect 2 average in this respect? Are you saying that over half the games out there have solved this problem better and half not? I have a hard time taking that seriously. That's not to say it's a legitimate gripe. It is. It's just a gripe that applies to just about every game out there, and so holding it against ME2 sounds a bit petty.
 
As for environments, not all of ME2's environments are small. But the exploration part of the game is focused on planets rather than towns and cities. It's a design choice. Other games such as Fallout 3 offer what seems like a vast amount of space to explore, but most of the really interesting locations are small and the rest empty. All of the locations one can walk around in during ME2 are packed with things to do. Is it average for this? I don't think so. Games seem to choose either free-roaming exploration, or hub-based linearity. ME2 goes for the later, and in my opinion gives far more freedom of exploration than other games of that type.
 
Graphically, I'm playing on the 360 so I can't comment. But it's certainly not as beautiful as, say, Crysis. But, then, I'm not sure it was meant to. But some of the vistas on worlds you visit are truly beautiful. I thought ME2 did a fantastic job on the space battle images. The first attack on the Normandy is occasionally breathtakingly beautiful.
 
I think ME2 is above average in all of these aspects. Not perfect by any means, but certainly not average. And given the story, voice acting, the actual gameplay ... yes, definitely a contender for game of the year. Of course, it's only February, so we'll see. I'll say this, though. The game's been out for a month and I've already put in 70 hours playing it, and am seriously considering starting a third playthrough. I've never done that with any other game before. Ever. And I've been playing games for twenty-five years.
 
I don't expect everyone to love ME2. Games are subjective in a lot of ways, but I think most of these criticisms are off the mark. ME2 has some very clear and glaring flaws, but not the ones you list.

You suck........

I agree with your first 2 points, but your 3rd point, and the rest of your grievances ring hollow with me. As a result, I found that I could overlook those few faults because of the outstanding characters and great gameplay.
 
On another note, the Witcher is outstanding, and the 2nd looks great as well, but the Witcher and ME2 aren't really comparable.

You put Halo : Reach at the top of your list.
 
Post, and point, invalidated.

" @SeriouslyNow: An opinion can't be wrong. "

oooh I think a popular game is not good  
I'm cool now right?

I smell the unmistakable odour of... 
 Troll.

Good for you, maybe you should mention Ico, Shadow Of The Colossus, Okami and Braid to show how indie you are bro! 

i disagree with you. games amazing

@SeriouslyNow: 
Except The Witcher being amazing.
   

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@SeriouslyNow: 
Except The Witcher being amazing.
   

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" @Spike94 said:

"

@SeriouslyNow: 
Except The Witcher being amazing.
   

"

It was very good but I have to say the combat interface was strange and required far too many mouseclicks for my liking. "

"I probably should clarify that I don't think ALL the characters where boring. I thought most of the characters where interesting with the exception of Miranda, Jacob, Samara, and Tali.   "

I don't think it will win GOTY, but only because there are a shit ton of awesome games coming out this year. By awesome I mean perfect scores from Famitsu awesome.

Oh Reginald............I DISAGREE!

" I don't think it will win GOTY, but only because there are a shit ton of awesome games coming out this year. By awesome I mean perfect scores from Famitsu awesome. "

" @DystopiaX said:

" I don't think it will win GOTY, but only because there are a shit ton of awesome games coming out this year. By awesome I mean perfect scores from Famitsu awesome. "

Is this sarcam? It's hard to detect on the internet... we already had a perfect score this year: Bayonetta! "

"  Halo: Reach 
The Witcher 2  
Final Fantasy XIII 
Fable 3 
Fallout: New Vegas 
Brink 
Rage 
 
On a closing note, I thought The Witcher was a far more accomplished RPG than Mass Effect 2. For many reasons, mainly being it didn't suffer from the problems I listed above. "

" @lucas_kelly said:

"  Halo: Reach 
The Witcher 2  
Final Fantasy XIII 
Fable 3 
Fallout: New Vegas 
Brink 
Rage 
 
On a closing note, I thought The Witcher was a far more accomplished RPG than Mass Effect 2. For many reasons, mainly being it didn't suffer from the problems I listed above. "

1. I doubt Halo: Reach will end up being released this year. And if it is, it will probably be a disappointment, unless Bungie really pulls through with that new graphics engine. 2. I very much disagree with your opinion of The Witcher. We'll leave it at that. 3. I'm really looking forward to FFXIII, but tbh it looks a bit melodramatic, and much of the game follows a linear path. I think FFXIII will be great, but I don't think it will usurp FFX or FFVII. 4. Fable 3? lol. 5. Fallout: New Vegas is going to have to be a lot less buggy than Fallout 3 and improve/scrap VATS to contend with some of this year's other releases. 6. New IP, can't really offer an opinion yet. 7. See above. "

I disagree.