This is not a troll so stop it's not. But FF13 is flopping

FF13 is getting some bad reviews for it being very linear and even saying the story is not that great. I'll post some links in a bit. 
 
I just want other peoples take on this? I was looking forward to this game but now I'm very upset to be hearing these things. 
 
According to the review , FF13 suffers from severe linearity, whereby there isn't even any towns or free exploration where you can do what you want. You are forced to be dragged along with the story and follow its pace. What kind of an rpg doesn't let you do what you want?

http://rpgland.com/games/reviews/final-fantasy-xiii-japanese/  
 
I guess the thing that really upsets me is being they have made it more of a push you down a path with no open feel to the world. I'm hearing the story is not that great? IDNO I guess after a few years of western RPG's being so good at a more open play as you go feel it spoils me. I sense that FF13 will be an AA at best looks like most reveiwers are going to feel and think the same about this. 
 
And let me be clear for some of you. I know the sales are good. I meant fans and review sites are starting to poor in with some mixed bag concerns and some are even saying the game is just not that great.
   

I heard it was selling really well.  I thought the definition of "flop" was bad sales not bad gameplay.

Well, the only review I know off the top of my head was 39/40 from Famitsu, and since its only in Japan, I'll just reserve my judgement for other reviews.

" I heard it was selling really well.  I thought the definition of "flop" was bad sales not bad gameplay. "

by reviews of course the TC means "forum users"

" I heard it was selling really well.  I thought the definition of "flop" was bad sales not bad gameplay. "

This.

1 million sell in the first day is not the sign of a flop game.

" by reviews of course the TC means "forum users" "

Eh, FF has been moving more and more linear ever since it excaped its 2D roots.  Almost none of the original creators even work on it anymore.  Personally, I like linear experiences.  I just don't have the time to deal with vast worlds to explore anymore.  I'll reserve judgement until the game is released here in the states.

The game is selling well and the majority of the reviews, even the one the op linked, are saying the game is very good.  I don't know what you're talking about.

All the FF games, apart from XII and X-2, are highly linear. Why were people expecting otherwise?

Flopping? It became the top selling third party title in Japan on home platforms, selling almost the whole first shipment in the first week (though FF is front loaded so won't sell too much more). The game that was the best selling before that was Monster Hunter 3 on Wii, but still, it's selling great and on par with past FF titles. Also, again, all FF games are 100% linear, you don't buy a JRPG to have an open ended world with choice and consequence, you buy it for the battles and that linear story. All games get at least a few bad reviews, check FFXII's for example, usually from sites you never heard of before, or that really need the hits, like the one you linked (though it says it's very good so wtf are you talking about flops for?).

This is a troll.

Overall: very good out of 10, lol I like that! Anyway empfeix dropped a knowledge bomb on your ass.

This fits fairly snugly into the definition of "forum troll."  By asking these questions about "free-roaming" and all that jazz, you're essentially asking why this is, in fact, a Final Fantasy game.  It sounds like you've never even played a game in the series to question why it is that an RPg wouldn't let you "do what you want." 
 
This is a troll post.  It really is.  So stop.
 
Regardless I'd say FFXIII is far from flopping.  It's sold a ridiculous amount of copies (for Japan) in the first few days, and while there does seem to be an air of disappointment about its release, the reception from a critical standpoint has been inarguably positive.

This isn't a troll...the guys just a f**king retard.

Almost all FFs since VII have been pretty linear.  FFX, as I recall, didn't have a traditional overworld map--come to think of it, neither did XII.  I just hope there are options for camera control (the forced inverted axis thing for FFXII nearly killed me!)

the no-towns , linear exploring sounds awful, but anyway i'm still buying the game in march, and sure i will enjoy it

" Almost all FFs since VII have been pretty linear.  FFX, as I recall, didn't have a traditional overworld map--come to think of it, neither did XII.  I just hope there are options for camera control (the forced inverted axis thing for FFXII nearly killed me!) "

" This isn't a troll...the guys just a f**king retard. "

Id believe it, the Final Fantasy formula is getting really tired.  Which bums me out cause if i made a list of all time favorite games i might have 2 Final Fantasy games in the top 5.  Nothing ive seen of the new one has made me at all interested in playing it.

"This isn't a troll...the guys just a f**king retard. "

 I sense that FF13 will be an AA at best looks like most reveiwers are going to feel and think the same about this. 

Well I am worried about that. I figure they don't want anymore random battles and the only way to make you fight is a very linear path, more linear than a string of battles like your in a movie climbing up steps and fighting every opponent they have to throw at you one at a time. While dragon age orgins does something similar, it's linear path definetly was really carefully planned and players gets alot of enjoyment out of that game. I don't think this is the case with FFXIII though and that makes me worried. If it flops though and doesn't get 90% over gamerankings, I will be very dissapointed in the jrpg genre and square enix.

It'll be interesting to see how it's received here. Many big north american RPG's or rpg type games (i.e. mass effect, dragon age, fallout 3, fable 2) have a focus on reacting to your decisions and dynamically changing the story. Based on past games, that's definitely not FF's style, and the rpg market has really changed beneath Squenix's feet in the intervening years since they released their last big single-player FF. I'm still cautiously optimistic that FF13 will be good (I can handle a linear game, so long as I like where it takes me), but I'm not getting my hopes up too much.

It obviously won't be a commercial flop, but will clearly be critically mixed. 
 
From the look of it, it's going to be a big sweeping cinematic game, but that the RPG aspects of the game are odds are going to be pretty basic, as per Nomura Tetsuya formula.  There's nothing wrong with a relatively easy RPG, but it's probably going to be a disappointment to a lot of RPG veterans looking for a challenge.  That's just not what Square is about anymore, they focus on accessability. 
 
Nothing with the name Final Fantasy on it at this point is going to be a commercial flop (with maybe the exception being Crystal Chronicles).

uhhhh no

"the no-towns , linear exploring sounds awful, but anyway i'm still buying the game in march, and sure i will enjoy it "

The idea behind no towns was sound. They were attempting to streamline certain things. But, it looks like, they did it with the wrong things. FF12's big problem for me was the mind numbingly too-long puzzleless dungeons. The cities, by contrast, were a highlight.

"All the FF games, apart from XII and X-2, are highly linear. Why were people expecting otherwise? "

Just like pretty much every other Final Fantasy game ever created after the first, the fan reaction to XIII was destined to be mixed from the start.  The sales that the game will generate will make it anything but a flop, though.

who the fuck cares about reviews and other peoples opinion????
 
online people all care is review and other peoples opinion. online people take things too seriously. its all about me and my own opinion. ff13 is the best!
 
 
1- ff13
2- ff8
3- ff7
 
fuck ff10.
 
ff12 was soso and combat is complicated and confusing but soso. ff10 is the worse. same goes to ff 10-2
 
ff9 goes back to classic combat like 7 which not enhancing, moving foward at all. 7 was great for its time then 8 came along and huge enhancement.

"who the fuck cares about reviews and other peoples opinion????  online people all care is review and other peoples opinion. online people take things too seriously. its all about me and my own opinion. ff13 is the best!   1- ff13 2- ff8 3- ff7  fuck ff10 "

Wait what? There aren't any towns? Ok maybe it is very linear
 
Damn, and I was hoping this game would be awesome.

" Wait what? There aren't any towns? Ok maybe it is very linear  Damn, and I was hoping this game would be awesome. "

Yeah it sucks pretty bad.

Final fantasy X was linear and awesome :)

"Wait what? There aren't any towns? Ok maybe it is very linear  Damn, and I was hoping this game would be awesome. "

Commercial flop != Critical flop, guys.  Stop acting as if it does.  People buy shitty games if they have big names attached to them.

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"if the post says, "not a troll"  it definitely is a troll."

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" Wait what? There aren't any towns? Ok maybe it is very linear  Damn, and I was hoping this game would be awesome. "

Since when did linearity equate to guaranteed suckage? "

A Japanese friend of mine as played much of Final Fantasy 13, he seemed to be enjoying it. Admitted that it's very very Japanese so I'd be interested to see how well it does in the west.  
 
Japanese developed games that don't consider Western audiences have struggled the past few years, why do you think Mr Kojima changed Metal Gear Solid 4 so much. Me personally, well I'm done with the Final Fantasy series so I'll probably pick it up when it makes financial sense rather then being a day one purchase.

In terms of sale it isn't a flop (nor will any Final Fantasy game ever likely turn into a flop). In terms of gamer reaction / Review, the only official one I know of so far is Famitsu, which gave it a 39/40. Famitsu is one of the few review publications that I trust, so from my perspective, it seems pretty damn good to me. Unless they screw up the NA localization (somehow...), I predict most RPG gamers are still going to have FFXIII pre-ordered, will wait in a huge line for a midnight release and will probably end up loving it.
 
In other words, it's not a flop on either account.

If i remember correctly, the trailers for XIII never showed any towns just industrial areas, and a forest.
 
With the Versus XIII trailer, i think they showed cities and what not. Which is just one of the many reasons that makes me think that Versus XIII is still the true FF:XIII. I'm and real believer in that. Why else would they call it "Versus" XIII

"A Japanese friend of mine as played much of Final Fantasy 13, he seemed to be enjoying it. Admitted that it's very very Japanese so I'd be interested to see how well it does in the west.   Japanese developed games that don't consider Western audiences have struggled the past few years, why do you think Mr Kojima changed Metal Gear Solid 4 so much. Me personally, well I'm done with the Final Fantasy series so I'll probably pick it up when it makes financial sense rather then being a day one purchase. "

" Overall: very good out of 10, lol I like that! Anyway empfeix dropped a knowledge bomb on your ass. "