Barack Obama- the greatest gun salesman in American history?

I remember the day Obama was elected. I called my dad as soon as it was announced, and the first thing he said to me was not, "We're fucked", but instead it was, "Son, we're buying you some new guns while we still can". Since then, he's bought me two new guns. The first was for my birthday, a few days before christmas. It was a 30-06 Springfield. It confused me because I already had a .308 Winchester, which is basically the same rifle as a 30-06, except the .30-06 is a lighter weight, but a higher velocity. The second gun was a few weeks ago. It was a Browning Silver Stalker, and I chose the 12 Gauge instead of the 20 gauge since I already have the smaller 20 Gauge for quails, and I could use the larger 12 Gauge for ducks. A Browning, arguably the best shotgun brand(against Berelli), and costs over $1000, making it the most expensive(not the most valuable) gun in our collection.

I remember the day Obama was elected. I called my dad as soon as it was announced, and the first thing he said to me was not, "We're fucked", but instead it was, "Son, we're buying you some new guns while we still can". Since then, he's bought me two new guns. The first was for my birthday, a few days before christmas. It was a 30-06 Springfield. It confused me because I already had a .308 Winchester, which is basically the same rifle as a 30-06, except the .30-06 is a lighter weight, but a higher velocity. The second gun was a few weeks ago. It was a Browning Silver Stalker, and I chose the 12 Gauge instead of the 20 gauge since I already have the smaller 20 Gauge for quails, and I could use the larger 12 Gauge for ducks. A Browning, arguably the best shotgun brand(against Berelli), and costs over $1000, making it the most expensive(not the most valuable) gun in our collection.

Guns are the causes of wars, murders, and animal extinction. I wouldn't mind guns being used for self defense or hunting, but GAME?! You're going to destroy deer, bear, or other species if you do that, man! Sorry for sounding like a green-loving fagget, but it's the damn truth. Game isn't good.

Just hunt animals for food instead. It's natural and follows the food chain. Doing game is murder.

"Guns are the causes of wars, murders, and animal extinction. I wouldn't mind guns being used for self defense or hunting, but GAME?! You're going to destroy deer, bear, or other species if you do that, man! Sorry for sounding like a green-loving fagget, but it's the damn truth. Game isn't good.Just hunt animals for food instead. It's natural and follows the food chain. Doing game is murder."

I would consider myself an independent, political wise, and one of the main reasons is regarding the second amendment. Through Boy Scouts and trips I have attended over many years, I have grown acquainted with shotguns, rifles, pistols, even the occasional assault rifle. I don't actually own anything but if Obama is actually going to restrict gun sales, I should get on that soon. Keep in mind, I don't do any of this for hunting; I just enjoy targets and skeet shooting. There really isn't anything wrong with that. Also, considering we all here play first person shooters and the like, shouldn't you actually know how one of those guns feel and sound? It just makes the experience that much more cohesive.

@ the TC: a 30-06 is a pretty awesome gun. I don't know if you need two, but I shot one once and that has a fierce kick.

Does it matter, the exact same thing happened with Clinton, a bunch of paranoid people thinking their "right" to own a gun is going to be destroyed because some regulations that would hardly affect might be put in place.

Well...Rahm Emanuel did specifically say that he was going to ban assault rifles again, so I think a direct threat validates some paranoia.

That's why the price of AR-15s have gone from $750 to $1300. They are selling like hotcakes because people want them before they are illegal.

"Guns are the causes of wars, murders, and animal extinction. I wouldn't mind guns being used for self defense or hunting, but GAME?! You're going to destroy deer, bear, or other species if you do that, man! Sorry for sounding like a green-loving fagget, but it's the damn truth. Game isn't good.Just hunt animals for food instead. It's natural and follows the food chain. Doing game is murder."

Wait a second here people- Didn't the Supreme Court just overturn the precedent they had set for like 100 some years regarding the second amendment?  Like for the first time ever, they came out and said that owning a gun is your right and the government cannot place severe restrictions on it.  If anything, expect more powerful guns to be on sale for civilian use.  If you wait, chances are you won't just be able to kill the deer but cleave it in 2, make its skull explode, etc.

lol hillbillies

Honestly i have no idea as to why guns are so readily available in the USA. All it does is increase the chance of you getting shot in some robbery or crazy shooting by a thousand

or maybe it decreases the chance because criminals will think twice before robbing someone if they know that more people have guns.

"or maybe it decreases the chance because criminals will think twice before robbing someone if they know that more people have guns. "

I think everyone should stock up on as many weapons as they can and have the biggest most bad ass Team Deathmatch ever.

It was my understanding Barak plans to revive that assault weapons ban on guns with over a certain size clip, so called 'cop killer' bullets, etc.

I live in Murderapolis and I've seen the news stories where people just passing by get shot at times and places where I've been and it is a little scary, but I'm not a type of person to be in favor of restricting the liberties of people in general. However, pistols and small weapons are for killing humans and defending against other weapons that kill humans the way I see it. The question is when does a weapon become 'nuclear' such that we should try to prevent the general public from getting their hands on it.

Of course, the most important part of that last sentence was 'try to.' And also a total ban on handguns which was somehow effective would lead to an increase in melee weapon/mace/taser attacks. And it wouldn't be effective because most of the people who would run out and rob someone have a gun already or can get one because banning something doesn't make existing copies disappear. Also foreign markets. So yeah, we're screwed. I'm going to Canada!

  show me a quote from Obama saying that Barack

I think the only gun rights Obama threatened to take away was Assault weapons.    I support gun rights, but these weapons really have no purpose other than murdering lots and lots people quickly.  Nut jobs who go off are better off not having access to these guns. 

It would be political suicide for Democrats to take gun rights and they know it.  Fringe nutjobs who are running to the gun store to load up before their guns are taken away are more sad than anything.


BTW there are already some even scarier guns that are legal for people to own like for instance a .50 cal.  The damn thing shoots through engine blocks.  My brother wants to buy one, but fortunately he's a loser and doesn't have the money to purchase one.  He asked if I would go half/half on it and I just laughed in his face.

Please show me a quote from Obama saying that Barack wants to ban assault weapons. They probably SHOULD be banned, but they wont because they are protected under the constitution."

Technically if we want to be extremely nuanced about it, the constitution only protects the guns that were available at the time it was written. Bolt action would be the most it would have protected. But of course the freepers would be pissed about that ban because they only care about the 2nd amendment even though they have never even read it.What can we do? It's not like a whole culture of gun ownership can be reversed instantly. Although I wouldn't mind some regulation

Gratz on the new guns.

"Snipzor said:

Technically if we want to be extremely nuanced about it, the constitution only protects the guns that were available at the time it was written. Bolt action would be the most it would have protected. But of course the freepers would be pissed about that ban because they only care about the 2nd amendment even though they have never even read it.What can we do? It's not like a whole culture of gun ownership can be reversed instantly. Although I wouldn't mind some regulation

Wait, I thought you were from Canada?"

I just laugh that American's have to go rushing out buying a bunch of guns. It really is quite sad how much of a gun nation it is. It's really unnecessary even if most American's can't agree with that. Maybe there should be more regulation if you really feel you need more than one gun per person. It's not a necessity anymore since it is very unlikely that anyone relies on game for survival.

Agent J, what do we need to improve exactly?  Gun control?  All gun control does is keeps guns in the hands of criminals while causing the innocent to be unable to protect themselves.  It's reverse Darwinism at its finest.  Instead, what we need to do is make is crack down on background gun sales, as well as organized gun running in the U.S. behind closed doors and in back alleys.  Unfortunately, it's cheaper for the government to allow criminals to keep the guns than it is for them to hire special task forces to crack down on this shit.

"crunchUK said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"or maybe it decreases the chance because criminals will think twice before robbing someone if they know that more people have guns. "

Or maybe they'll decide to rob somewhere because they have a gun. There's a thread on a shooting that happened yesterday ffs."

So, we should all evolve into higher-class British citizens like you and use knives? ;-)"

"Guns are the causes of wars, murders, and animal extinction. I wouldn't mind guns being used for self defense or hunting, but GAME?! You're going to destroy deer, bear, or other species if you do that, man! Sorry for sounding like a green-loving fagget, but it's the damn truth. Game isn't good.Just hunt animals for food instead. It's natural and follows the food chain. Doing game is murder."

-1 for having that avatar and saying something political at the same time.

What about Charlton Heston?!

"What about Charlton Heston?!"

"You know what another safe country is? Japan."

You know what another safe country is? Japan. You know what their gun policy is? I think you do. 

Are you trying to tell me that you've never heard about a kid, even one you know/knew, getting their hands on a gun and firing it? People often keep their guns somewhere where they can get to them quickly in case of an emergency. If they have them locked away, it destroys any use in case of a break in. Kids don't always understand about not using guns. Not to mention that suicide would be down since people wouldn't have immediate access to their own demise.

The only way to get rid of the "pain" i mentioned is to do something about the gun laws. Unfortunately that's not going to happen. So that pain will persist. Frankly, I dont know how to fix things without changing the constitution, which I dont support.

I see that you believe in the eye for an eye policy. I do not.

Like I said earlier, you can do the same thing by going with the Japan policy. 

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I've yet to see a valid argument for gun control that I have not shot down yet. And guns is a right in the United States, as written in the constitution of the right to bear arms. I could write a whole essay about this but it basically boils down to gun control=bullshit.

"I've yet to see a valid argument for gun control that I have not shot down yet. And guns is a right in the United States, as written in the constitution of the right to bear arms. I could write a whole essay about this but it basically boils down to gun control=bullshit."

"insanejedi said:

"I've yet to see a valid argument for gun control that I have not shot down yet. And guns is a right in the United States, as written in the constitution of the right to bear arms. I could write a whole essay about this but it basically boils down to gun control=bullshit."

Is an RPG a gun?I win."

I am ok with the sale of shotguns, rifles, and pistols to registered persons. But there is NO reason to own automatic weapons. I dont care who you are.

Anyway, I hate this thread, I hate guns, I wont ever own one...and think they are for the scared and weak.

I dont own a gun, and dont live in fear of guns.

"jakob187 said: You know what another safe country is? Japan. You know what their gun policy is? I think you do. 

Are you trying to tell me that you've never heard about a kid, even one you know/knew, getting their hands on a gun and firing it? People often keep their guns somewhere where they can get to them quickly in case of an emergency. If they have them locked away, it destroys any use in case of a break in. Kids don't always understand about not using guns. Not to mention that suicide would be down since people wouldn't have immediate access to their own demise.

The only way to get rid of the "pain" i mentioned is to do something about the gun laws. Unfortunately that's not going to happen. So that pain will persist. Frankly, I dont know how to fix things without changing the constitution, which I dont support.

I see that you believe in the eye for an eye policy. I do not.

Like I said earlier, you can do the same thing by going with the Japan policy. 

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"I am ok with the sale of shotguns, rifles, and pistols to registered persons. But there is NO reason to own automatic weapons. I dont care who you are.Anyway, I hate this thread, I hate guns, I wont ever own one...and think they are for the scared and weak. I dont own a gun, and dont live in fear of guns. "

"Mercator said:

"I am ok with the sale of shotguns, rifles, and pistols to registered persons. But there is NO reason to own automatic weapons. I dont care who you are.Anyway, I hate this thread, I hate guns, I wont ever own one...and think they are for the scared and weak. I dont own a gun, and dont live in fear of guns. "

I generally feel the same too, but what if you are in the Army Reserves, or a police officer? Shouldn't they be allowed to own fully automatic weapons to practice on their own time?"