Could something like the American Revolution be possible today?

  • 72 results
  • 1
  • 2
Avatar image for willy105
Willy105

4959

Forum Posts

14729

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 1

#1  Edited By Willy105
Avatar image for willy105
Willy105

4959

Forum Posts

14729

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 1

#2  Edited By Willy105

 Today, could a completely inexperienced army compromised of civilians take the greatest superpower in the world?
 
Back then, the Americans had the advantage of knowing their own land and have all the will in the world, but with today's military technology, could it be possible?
 
What do you think?

Avatar image for sopranosfan
sopranosfan

1965

Forum Posts

35

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 8

#3  Edited By sopranosfan

No, it would never make it past organization anymore.  Information travels too fast.  You have to remember it took a boat trip across the ocean and back to communicate to the authorities during the time of the American Revolution.

Avatar image for kaosangel-DELETED
KaosAngel

14251

Forum Posts

6507

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 3

#4  Edited By KaosAngel

Hell yeah.  We kicked British ass, and we totally owned the hell out of WW2, and doing alright in Iraq.
 
America could totally come together in arms and fight a future terrorist organization and spread freedom again.

Avatar image for mrfizzy
mrfizzy

1666

Forum Posts

58

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 6

#5  Edited By mrfizzy

im saying no, assuming that the military stays loyal to the government then they would be too strong unless EVERYBODY rose up. And if the military took over then thats a coup, not a revolution. 

Avatar image for roujinx
RoujinX

428

Forum Posts

257

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#6  Edited By RoujinX

Basically, it would just cost too much money. Nobody in the United States has that kind of liquid capital to invest in something needed for revolution, and if any group got that kind of money together, it would have an immediate and extraordinary impact on the market.
Avatar image for babblinmule
babblinmule

1280

Forum Posts

46

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 1

#7  Edited By babblinmule
@KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads....
Avatar image for kaosangel-DELETED
KaosAngel

14251

Forum Posts

6507

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 3

#8  Edited By KaosAngel
@babblinmule said:
" @KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads.... "
I love my country, and I plan on serving it well with the FBI offer I got in the summer.  I'm sorry you take America for granted.
Avatar image for thatfrood
thatfrood

3472

Forum Posts

179

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 15

#9  Edited By thatfrood

Rebels topple the Evil Empire?
I think you're confusing the American Revolution with Star Wars. The actual revolution is far from the idyllic, noble thing it's made out to be.

Avatar image for nintendoeats
nintendoeats

6234

Forum Posts

828

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 9

#10  Edited By nintendoeats

Is it physicly possible for the rebels to win? I think it would be possible, though the casualties would likely be pretty high on the rebels side.
 
Will it happen? No. Because us westerners have it to damn good. The system works at least well enough that people would rather keep it than put in all of the effort of overthrowing it and building a new system that will probably wind up being as good as or (more probably) worse than the currently existing one.

Avatar image for green_incarnate
Green_Incarnate

1789

Forum Posts

124

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 7

#11  Edited By Green_Incarnate

Well, if you could get enough people.

Avatar image for greggd
GreggD

4596

Forum Posts

981

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#12  Edited By GreggD
@KaosAngel said:
" @babblinmule said:
" @KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads.... "
I love my country, and I plan on serving it well with the FBI offer I got in the summer.  I'm sorry you take America for granted. "
That may be, but you're missing the point of this thread. In said conflict, we would be as inexperienced and ragtag as the forefathers were during the American Revolution. Try and wrap your mind around how well that would turn out in today's world.
Avatar image for woodtsunami
woodtsunami

190

Forum Posts

1839

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#13  Edited By woodtsunami
@sopranosfan said:
" No, it would never make it past organization anymore.  Information travels too fast.  You have to remember it took a boat trip across the ocean and back to communicate to the authorities during the time of the American Revolution. "
This is true. But only on earth. If the moon is one day colonized... I don't know, I'm just saying.
Avatar image for kaosangel-DELETED
KaosAngel

14251

Forum Posts

6507

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 3

#14  Edited By KaosAngel
@GreggD said:
" @KaosAngel said:
" @babblinmule said:
" @KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads.... "
I love my country, and I plan on serving it well with the FBI offer I got in the summer.  I'm sorry you take America for granted. "
That may be, but you're missing the point of this thread. In said conflict, we would be as inexperienced and ragtag as the forefathers were during the American Revolution. Try and wrap your mind around how well that would turn out in today's world. "
That's impossible.  >.>  No one is stronger than America, how can an American picture that?  The only revolution would be commies and China killing people and we save the citizen of those countries.
Avatar image for dulmonkey
dulmonkey

79

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#15  Edited By dulmonkey
@GreggD said:

" @KaosAngel said:

" @babblinmule said:
" @KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads.... "
I love my country, and I plan on serving it well with the FBI offer I got in the summer.  I'm sorry you take America for granted. "
That may be, but you're missing the point of this thread. In said conflict, we would be as inexperienced and ragtag as the forefathers were during the American Revolution. Try and wrap your mind around how well that would turn out in today's world. "
You mean like the rebels in Afghanistan and Iraq? They seem to be holding their own.  Plus some of the founding fathers were vets of the french and indian wars. I;m sure if things got ugly there would be a few vets willing to help any revolutionaries.
Avatar image for themustachehero
TheMustacheHero

6647

Forum Posts

120

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#16  Edited By TheMustacheHero

Unfortunately, probably not.

Avatar image for deathbywaffle
DeathByWaffle

780

Forum Posts

1515

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 2

#17  Edited By DeathByWaffle
@KaosAngel: 
 
Is this "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" attitude of yours just some joke that I am unaware of, or are you seriously in that mind frame?
Avatar image for nintendoeats
nintendoeats

6234

Forum Posts

828

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 9

#18  Edited By nintendoeats
@dulmonkey said:
" @GreggD said:

" @KaosAngel said:

" @babblinmule said:
" @KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads.... "
I love my country, and I plan on serving it well with the FBI offer I got in the summer.  I'm sorry you take America for granted. "
That may be, but you're missing the point of this thread. In said conflict, we would be as inexperienced and ragtag as the forefathers were during the American Revolution. Try and wrap your mind around how well that would turn out in today's world. "
You mean like the rebels in Afghanistan and Iraq? They seem to be holding their own.  Plus some of the founding fathers were vets of the french and indian wars. I;m sure if things got ugly there would be a few vets willing to help any revolutionaries. "
I think thats a bit of an over-simplification of the situation...
Avatar image for greggd
GreggD

4596

Forum Posts

981

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#19  Edited By GreggD
@dulmonkey said:
" @GreggD said:
" @KaosAngel said:
" @babblinmule said:
" @KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads.... "
I love my country, and I plan on serving it well with the FBI offer I got in the summer.  I'm sorry you take America for granted. "
That may be, but you're missing the point of this thread. In said conflict, we would be as inexperienced and ragtag as the forefathers were during the American Revolution. Try and wrap your mind around how well that would turn out in today's world. "
You mean like the rebels in Afghanistan and Iraq? They seem to be hold their own.  Plus some of the founding fathers were vets of the french and indian wars. I;m sure if things got ugly there would be a few vets willing to help any revolutionaries. "
They're dying in far greater numbers than us, and no side has won those wars. Yet. Also:
 
@KaosAngel:  OH, I get it. You're not a headstrong patriot, you're a sarcastic fuckwad.
Avatar image for laharl
Laharl

361

Forum Posts

13

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#20  Edited By Laharl

How am i the only person that sees an issue with nuking a revolution in your own country. >.>

Avatar image for jeffsekai
Jeffsekai

7162

Forum Posts

1060

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#21  Edited By Jeffsekai

lol. no

Avatar image for mazik765
mazik765

2372

Forum Posts

2258

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#22  Edited By mazik765
@KaosAngel:  Have you ever considered that 'commie' countries may just have a different view point and don't need saving?
 
Oh well, you're beyond thinking for yourself so this is kind of futile.
 
edited: said stupid things.
Avatar image for kaosangel-DELETED
KaosAngel

14251

Forum Posts

6507

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 3

#23  Edited By KaosAngel
@DeathByWaffle said:
" @KaosAngel:   Is this "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" attitude of yours just some joke that I am unaware of, or are you seriously in that mind frame? "
Ah, you came after the main stuff of summer 2009...you'll find out sooner or later.  Ask around.  :P
Avatar image for givemereplay
GIVEMEREPLAY

863

Forum Posts

1144

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 2

#24  Edited By GIVEMEREPLAY

Both of your options are wrong. The fact that the state has more power at its hands isn't why a rebellion such as the American Revolution would be highly unlikely, but rather the fact that we are become weak, coddled babies compared to our ancestors.  
 
The fact of the matter is that conventional weaponry can do a damn fine job against an organized and well funded government force thanks to guerrilla tactics (see: Iraq), and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying through their teeth to put their view on this issue in line with their view on the 2nd Amendment. The only question is whether we would have the guts to do it, and to be honest, I doubt we would. 

Avatar image for toxin066
Toxin066

3589

Forum Posts

118

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#25  Edited By Toxin066
@mazik765 said:
" @KaosAngel:  Seems to me your military buddies seem to be 'shooting' more of the people than 'saving' them. And have you ever considered that 'commie' countries may just have a different view point and don't need saving?  Oh well, you're beyond thinking for yourself so this is kind of futile. "
Few things piss me off more than seeing people like you talk down about the troops. Only bad things make the news. If your post is futile, then you're fucking stupid for posting it.
Avatar image for skytylz
Skytylz

4156

Forum Posts

9

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 6

#26  Edited By Skytylz

If the military still supported the government, it wouldn't be very likely.  How would we get rid of the tanks?

Avatar image for liam_mk
Liam_mk

300

Forum Posts

159

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#27  Edited By Liam_mk
@Toxin066 said:
" @mazik765 said:
" @KaosAngel:  Seems to me your military buddies seem to be 'shooting' more of the people than 'saving' them. And have you ever considered that 'commie' countries may just have a different view point and don't need saving?  Oh well, you're beyond thinking for yourself so this is kind of futile. "
Few things piss me off more than seeing people like you talk down about the troops. Only bad things make the news. If your post is futile, then you're fucking stupid for posting it. "
this
Avatar image for nintendoeats
nintendoeats

6234

Forum Posts

828

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 9

#28  Edited By nintendoeats

You know what? I bet if people didn't take all this stuff so seriously there would be alot less wars.

Avatar image for kermoosh
kermoosh

919

Forum Posts

187

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#29  Edited By kermoosh

if a US rebellion could get their hands on weapons (which they probably can do) than yea
 
but i don't think there will be any rebellions soon, rebellions happened when the soviet union and communism was spreading fast, but lately i havn't heard of any uprisings

Avatar image for nintendoeats
nintendoeats

6234

Forum Posts

828

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 9

#30  Edited By nintendoeats
@kermoosh said:
" if a US rebellion could get their hands on weapons (which they probably can do) than yea  but i don't think there will be any rebellions soon, rebellions happened when the soviet union and communism was spreading fast, but lately i havn't heard of any uprisings "
That being when the government was actually, you know, killing people and stuff.
Avatar image for givemereplay
GIVEMEREPLAY

863

Forum Posts

1144

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 2

#31  Edited By GIVEMEREPLAY
@Skytylz said:
" If the military still supported the government, it wouldn't be very likely.  How would we get rid of the tanks? "
Ask the Iraqi militias. 
Avatar image for blair
blair

2265

Forum Posts

3572

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 2

#32  Edited By blair

No shot.

Avatar image for mazik765
mazik765

2372

Forum Posts

2258

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#33  Edited By mazik765
@Toxin066:  I apologize, talking down the troops was not my intent, although I see now in rereading my post that it may have come off that way. It was more geared towards the blind nationalism displayed by the poster I was replying to.
 
I have a great deal of respect for men and women and serve in the military. I live in Canada and have a close friend who serves in the military and I did not mean to call into doubt the risks they go through. I apologize for the nature of my comment, it was not meant to talk down the troops or anything.
Avatar image for mazik765
mazik765

2372

Forum Posts

2258

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

#34  Edited By mazik765
@Toxin066:  I apologize, I did not mean to talk down the men and women that risk their lives. It was not my intent, just to criticize blind nationalism of 'my country is greater than all others because I was told that'. I'm sorry if my post insulted you, and I have no end of respect for the men and women in any military who believe they are fighting for their family and friends.
Avatar image for toxin066
Toxin066

3589

Forum Posts

118

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#35  Edited By Toxin066
@mazik765:  ah. Then, we're cool. :)
Avatar image for liquids
LiquidS

979

Forum Posts

18

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#36  Edited By LiquidS

Think the general population in North America are to lazy & selfish to really do anything if the correct political circumstances gave reason for a revolution. 
Maybe in Europe but then again the public doesn't have the firearms we North Americans have access to.
Avatar image for iam3green
iam3green

14368

Forum Posts

350

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#37  Edited By iam3green

no, i don't think it could happen. the governments would just be like BAM bring out the dogs and riot control. u will just a crap load of guys with tear gas, and stuff.

Avatar image for gunner
Gunner

4424

Forum Posts

248

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 6

#38  Edited By Gunner

We werent as inexperienced or as ragtag as you might think we were in the revolutionary war. Most of our founding fathers were wealthy buissness men, not to mention the millions of dollars and weapons we received from France and Spain. Then you have to take into account that the majority of the solders and officers in the contenental army were veterans of the French and Indian war and other smaller conflicts which gave them experience with the terrain and tactics needed to fight in such terrain. Most british officers and solders were used to european style terrain and tactics witch were useless against the Native American style tactics employed by the Americans (cowpens is a good example of this). The only thing the contenental army lacked was manpower, so to make up for this congress recruited an ungodly amount of militia to fill in the ranks which led to the "ragtag" look of the army. 
 
taking all that into account, the united states should have won more battles than they actually did, i think they would have too if they had a stronger navy in support.

Avatar image for dcfgs3
DCFGS3

1084

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 1

#39  Edited By DCFGS3

Hmm, if it was on a large enough scale, then it's quite possible that an extended rural guerrilla war could reach a stalemate with those in cities. But pretty much anything on a large enough scale would win. Also, it seems the 'bring in the tanks' mentality is fairly prevalent here. In reality armour is very ineffective outside conventional warfare, and there are ways of breaching most modern armour with homemade explosives or weaponry.

Avatar image for mikeeegeee
mikeeegeee

1638

Forum Posts

8

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#40  Edited By mikeeegeee

Don't be so shortsighted. Nah, revolution on American soil won't occur anytime in the foreseeable future. But all empires come to an end. And when they do, there's always some group of people quick to jump into that vacuum. If humans live for another thousand years, I'd be shocked if the political landscape of the world resembles what it does today.

Avatar image for icysandman
IcySandman

484

Forum Posts

2

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#41  Edited By IcySandman
@KaosAngel: I wish I could be you than.  Be pretty awesome to be in the FBI...gotta go through College first.
Avatar image for mikeeegeee
mikeeegeee

1638

Forum Posts

8

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#42  Edited By mikeeegeee
@ChristOnIce said:
"Psst: You're aware that France won the American Revolution, yes? "
Sorry, but that's giving the French way too much credit. They only joined in the fighting after it was apparent that by doing so, they'd seal the victory for the Americans.
Avatar image for twoonefive
TwoOneFive

9793

Forum Posts

203

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#43  Edited By TwoOneFive
Avatar image for twoonefive
TwoOneFive

9793

Forum Posts

203

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#44  Edited By TwoOneFive
@ChristOnIce said:

" @mikeeegeee:   Not at all.  We would have had no chance without the French Navy.  Sure, they knew they would win when they entered, but that is beside the point.  We knew the same when we entered WWII.  The reasons for entry aren't relevant.  What is relevant is that we could not have won without the aid of France.  It was their naval power that won the war.  Without it, the British could have walloped us by blocking resource deployment. "

ANNNNNND nobody in america cares. usa won the war end of story. lol
Avatar image for givemereplay
GIVEMEREPLAY

863

Forum Posts

1144

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 2

#45  Edited By GIVEMEREPLAY
@Gunner said:

" We werent as inexperienced or as ragtag as you might think we were in the revolutionary war. Most of our founding fathers were wealthy buissness men, not to mention the millions of dollars and weapons we received from France and Spain. Then you have to take into account that the majority of the solders and officers in the contenental army were veterans of the French and Indian war and other smaller conflicts which gave them experience with the terrain and tactics needed to fight in such terrain. Most british officers and solders were used to european style terrain and tactics witch were useless against the Native American style tactics employed by the Americans (cowpens is a good example of this). The only thing the contenental army lacked was manpower, so to make up for this congress recruited an ungodly amount of militia to fill in the ranks which led to the "ragtag" look of the army.   taking all that into account, the united states should have won more battles than they actually did, i think they would have too if they had a stronger navy in support. "

Read 1776. We could barely get ammunition or shoes to the soldiers, and Washington thought most of the guys under his command were bums because they were more interested in farming than fighting.  
 
@LiquidS

 Think the general population in North America are to lazy & selfish to really do anything if the correct political circumstances gave reason for a revolution. 
Maybe in Europe but then again the public doesn't have the firearms we North Americans have access to.    

That's a strange way of looking at it. "Selfish" and "likely to capitulate to oppressive government control" seem like opposites. Europe is as a whole already far more oppressive to the rights of its citizens than is the U.S., so if anything they would be more likely to suffer a totalitarian state once again. 
Avatar image for organicalistic_
Organicalistic_

3092

Forum Posts

391

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#46  Edited By Organicalistic_
@babblinmule said:
" @KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads.... "
me to,  he is a fuking asshole (no offense KaosAngel, just still super pissed 'bout your "Happy Hiroshima Day" blog
Avatar image for givemereplay
GIVEMEREPLAY

863

Forum Posts

1144

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 2

#47  Edited By GIVEMEREPLAY
@ChristOnIce said:
" @TwoOneFive:   Well, America does love it's chest-thumping, delusional nationalism as well as it's ignorance of history. "
I wonder if there will come a day when it's not fashionable to bash America. 
Avatar image for pwnasaurus
pwnasaurus

1298

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#48  Edited By pwnasaurus
@KaosAngel said:
" @babblinmule said:
" @KaosAngel:  I die a little inside whenever i see you post in one of these threads.... "
I love my country, and I plan on serving it well with the FBI offer I got in the summer.  I'm sorry you take America for granted. "

you didnt really kick ass in ww2 i mean you helped but it was russia that did most of the work you got in late waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy late into ww2
Avatar image for nickl
NickL

2276

Forum Posts

695

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

#49  Edited By NickL

i dont agree with either poll topic because a superpower would never have to nuke an attempted revolution, what do i do?

Avatar image for crono
Crono

2762

Forum Posts

-1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 23

User Lists: 6

#50  Edited By Crono
@Willy105 said:
"  Today, could a completely inexperienced army compromised of civilians take the greatest superpower in the world?   Back then, the Americans had the advantage of knowing their own land and have all the will in the world, but with today's military technology, could it be possible?   What do you think? "
I am speaking from my view here in America about America - I think this distinction is important because perhaps in other countries this could be possible...
 
Maybe this has been discussed already in the other responses (sorry I didn't read through the thread, just responding to the OP) but I think for more reasons than just military this won't happen.  I just don't think that people have the same sort of will that the people of that time did.  I think most people have grown complacent and would not ever do anything except entertain such an idea as a political "fantasy."  Really, how often do you meet anyone that is so angry, fed up and ready for governmental change that they would rise against it.  I mean, how many of these sort of people do you actually know in real life?  I have no doubts such peoplea re out there... but I am certain that their numbers are few and (maybe this is the complacent part of me speaking) I doubt their reasons could be considered justified by most (not that the quantity of people who believe something is directly correlated with what is truly 'just').
 
I just don't see the fiery spirit that I would expect someone to have if they were truly going to attempt such a feat.  I don't know why people don't give me this sense - I know for me it is because no matter how bad I think things are, I can always remind myself that there is at least 1 person out there who likely has things worse than me or lives in a worse off country than I do - I know this is a foolish thought in some peoples' eyes (and I don't think of this as some sort of 'elitist' viewpoint, that is not what I intend to convey by any means) but to me it works and keeps me 'checked and balanced' so to speak.