I don't really know how I feel about this.
An animal rights group publicized a video Tuesday showing unwanted chicks being tossed alive into a grinder at an Iowa plant and accused egg hatcheries of being "perhaps the cruelest industry" in the world.
Basically they toss the chicks down a chute and they land in a running grinder that does its thing. They're alive maybe two seconds of the grinding, so I really don't see the controversy. I could see how on one hand it seems cruel, but it's literally maybe two seconds at the most.
Ground Up Chicks Man!!
Fucking plants like that.
I'm a meat eater but theres no fucking point in throwing a chick into a grinder, yes it may be quick but fuck, there has to be use for the poor guy, send him to my fucking house, I'll make a army of them and then fight the fuck heads.
Fuck, I used the fucking word "Fuck" to much in this god damn fucking post, TO SHOW MY ANGER, K GUYZ?
"I don't buy mass-produced warehouse chickens "I have the same policy when it comes to mass-produced whorehouse chickens.
Ya i agree that there should be a more friendly way to do it, but because of the sheer number of chickens we consume i don't see how its possible. But that whole video ruined the point of the cruelty to animals vibe for me with the last 10 seconds, when they tried to push their vegetarian bull shit on me. Humans are supposed to eat meat, you don't want to fine, but don't try and make me feel like I'm evil because i like to eat cheeseburgers and steaks. All they did was invalidate the whole video as propaganda for vegans.
" Ya i agree that there should be a more friendly way to do it, but because of the sheer number of chickens we consume i don't see how its possible. But that whole video ruined the point of the cruelty to animals vibe for me with the last 10 seconds, when they tried to push their vegetarian bull shit on me. Humans are supposed to eat meat, you don't want to fine, but don't try and make me feel like I'm evil because i like to eat cheeseburgers and steaks. All they did was invalidate the whole video as propaganda for vegans. "oh man a cheeseburger with a side of steak would be the best meal ever!
" I don't really know how I feel about this. An animal rights group publicized a video Tuesday showing unwanted chicks being tossed alive into a grinder at an Iowa plant and accused egg hatcheries of being "perhaps the cruelest industry" in the world. Basically they toss the chicks down a chute and they land in a running grinder that does its thing. They're alive maybe two seconds of the grinding, so I really don't see the controversy. I could see how on one hand it seems cruel, but it's literally maybe two seconds at the most. "Err... How would you like the last two seconds of your life being ground up by blades?
GUYS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY SPRAY POISON ON POOR DEFENSELESS RATS AND MOSQUITOES? Oh wait, you accept the fact that they are useless pests because they aren't died purple and sold as Easter gifts. Like they said, a male chick is useless to the factories. All they do is take up space and food. Do you want those factory chickens to be even more crowded? You sick monsters... Jesus. Yes, let's take every one of those thousands of male chicks and give them a hug and a shot of a barbiturate. As a farm boy, I gotta tell yeah, what needs to get done needs to get done. This isn't torture, it's over in a matter of seconds. If you care so much, you can do one of two things: suggest a way for a factory to dispose of male chicks in a quick way that lives up to your superior ethical standards, or stop buying eggs at the grocery store. You won't do either, I'm sure.
Reading that article, there's no indication that the ground up chicks actually sold as food. So...they just grind up these chicks because they can't do anything else with them?
If that's the case, they should throw all the males into one small holding area. Let them cannibalize.
"GUYS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY SPRAY POISON ON POOR DEFENSELESS RATS AND MOSQUITOES? Oh wait, you accept the fact that they are useless pests because they aren't died purple and sold as Easter gifts.
Yes. The thing that separates good animals from bad animals is whether or not they are dyed purple and sold as Easter Gifts.
" Reading that article, there's no indication that the ground up chicks actually sold as food. So...they just grind up these chicks because they can't do anything else with them? If that's the case, they should throw all the males into one small holding area. Let them cannibalize. "Yeah!! then i shall eat the victor of the cannibalisation!! Tha chicken would be fucking huge
" @MC_Izawa said:Dude, I'd totally buy and devour a chocolate rat dyed purple for Christmas. Easter though? No. That's tacky."GUYS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY SPRAY POISON ON POOR DEFENSELESS RATS AND MOSQUITOES? Oh wait, you accept the fact that they are useless pests because they aren't died purple and sold as Easter gifts.Yes. The thing that separates good animals from bad animals is whether or not they are dyed purple and sold as Easter Gifts. "
When I first read that article at Yahoo I was shocked but then reading through it I found out that apparently they only throw away male chicks and that their deaths are supposed to be instantaneous. Also the group that publicized it, Mercy for Animals, has a goal of getting everybody to stop eating eggs so I'm not sure how much of what they say and revealed isn't skewed towards their goals, if that makes sense.
To Quote George Carlin:
"But you know, the longer you listen to this abortion debate, the more you hear this phrase 'sanctity of life'. You've heard that. Sanctity of life. You believe in it? Personally, I think it's a bunch of shit. Well, I mean, life is sacred? Who said so? God? Hey, if you read history, you realise that God is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other 'cuz God told them it was a good idea. The sword of God, the blood of the land, veangence is mine. Millions of dead motherfuckers. Millions of dead motherfuckers all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. 'You believe in God?' 'No.' *Pdoom*. Dead. 'You believe in God?' 'Yes.' 'You believe in my God? 'No.' *Poom*. Dead. 'My God has a bigger dick than your God!' Thousands of years. Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too. The bloodiest, most brutal wars fought, all based on religious hatred. Which is fine with me. Hey, any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other I'm a happy guy.
But don't be giving me all this shit about the sanctity of life. I mean, even if there were such a thing, I don't think it's something you can blame on God. No, you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up. You know why? 'Cuz we're alive. Self-interest. Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. You don't see Abbott and Costello running around, talking about this shit, do you? We're not hearing a whole lot from Musolini on the subject. What's the latest from JFK? Not a goddamn thing. 'Cuz JFK, Musolini and Abbott and Costello are fucking dead. They're fucking dead. And dead people give less than a shit about the sanctity of life. Only living people care about it so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It's a self serving, man-made bullshit story.
It's one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred. Makes you feel noble. Well let me ask you this: if everything that ever lived is dead, and everything alive is gonna die, where does the sacred part come in? I'm having trouble with that. 'Cuz, I mean, even with all this stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. We don't practice it. Look at what we'd kill: Mosquitos and flies. 'Cuz they're pests. Lions and tigers. 'Cuz it's fun! Chickens and pigs. 'Cuz we're hungry. Pheasants and quails. 'Cuz it's fun. And we're hungry. And people. We kill people... 'Cuz they're pests. And it's fun!
And you might have noticed something else. The sanctity of life doesn't seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You rarely see a bumper sticker that says 'Save the tumors.'. Or 'I brake for advanced melanoma.'. No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, E. Coli bacteria, the crabs. Nothing sacred about those things. So at best the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole fucking thing up! Made it up! "
Humans used to hunt their own food too, but that changed. Want to prove your manliness? Kill an animal, with only tools you made yourself from scratch, cook it yourself, do everything yourself. Then you can talk down about the eating habits of anyone else." Ya i agree that there should be a more friendly way to do it, but because of the sheer number of chickens we consume i don't see how its possible. But that whole video ruined the point of the cruelty to animals vibe for me with the last 10 seconds, when they tried to push their vegetarian bull shit on me. Humans are supposed to eat meat, you don't want to fine, but don't try and make me feel like I'm evil because i like to eat cheeseburgers and steaks. All they did was invalidate the whole video as propaganda for vegans. "
Anyways I enjoy eating meat, humans evolved through and possibly even because of eating meat (our larger brains). However, people that kill young animals for no reason deserve to be ground up, very very slowly.
Who cares? Animals kill and eat other animals. A two second death is pretty good compared to what most prey in the wild would experience. I like to eat chicken and eggs and if that's what has to happen for me to have that option, so be it. I would also be willing to bet that some of the things in the video are embellished or fabricated because animal rights activists are fucking douchebags, but even if everything is 100% true I'm still fine with it.
I'm rather surprised that there's no way to genetically engineer hens to lay predominantly female eggs. In this age of Kaboom, Segways, and Miracle Blades, you'd think doing some genetic alterations on chickens would be easy.
As for my feelings on the chicks being ground up *Shrugs* At least they're jumping back into the reincarnation pool fast!
" @ninjakiller said:If I had to die that would be a pretty quick and cool way to do it." I don't really know how I feel about this. An animal rights group publicized a video Tuesday showing unwanted chicks being tossed alive into a grinder at an Iowa plant and accused egg hatcheries of being "perhaps the cruelest industry" in the world. Basically they toss the chicks down a chute and they land in a running grinder that does its thing. They're alive maybe two seconds of the grinding, so I really don't see the controversy. I could see how on one hand it seems cruel, but it's literally maybe two seconds at the most. "Err... How would you like the last two seconds of your life being ground up by blades? "
" @Babble said:Quick? Sure. Cool? If you're hypermasochistic I suppose." @ninjakiller said:If I had to die that would be a pretty quick and cool way to do it. "" I don't really know how I feel about this. An animal rights group publicized a video Tuesday showing unwanted chicks being tossed alive into a grinder at an Iowa plant and accused egg hatcheries of being "perhaps the cruelest industry" in the world. Basically they toss the chicks down a chute and they land in a running grinder that does its thing. They're alive maybe two seconds of the grinding, so I really don't see the controversy. I could see how on one hand it seems cruel, but it's literally maybe two seconds at the most. "Err... How would you like the last two seconds of your life being ground up by blades? "
Just watching the video made me think it was some PETA sponsored coverage, but when I saw that it was some vegan thing. I was like uh, uh no way GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE!
In all seriousness, I don't mind that this practice is actually running in this factory (and probably many more throughout the country) it is a business after all and things that have no production value should be dealt with accordingly. Please no comments like "what if you were ground up because you were useless, blah, blah, blah?" It isn't happening right now and it isn't happening anytime soon.
" Just watching the video made me think it was some PETA sponsored coverage, but when I saw that it was some vegan thing. I was like uh, uh no way GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE!"You say "but" like it lost its credibility when you found out it wasn't PETA. But really, PETA is the worst when it comes to propaganda and general craziness. They want everyone to be vegan as well. They also don't approve of pets.
"Fucking plants like that. I'm a meat eater but theres no fucking point in throwing a chick into a grinder, yes it may be quick but fuck, there has to be use for the poor guy, send him to my fucking house, I'll make a army of them and then fight the fuck heads. Fuck, I used the fucking word "Fuck" to much in this god damn fucking post, TO SHOW MY ANGER, K GUYZ? "HEY! SETTLE THE FUCK DOWN BACK THERE!
" @StarFoxA: Ya, there's nothing marginally psychotic about not feeling any amount of despondency towards this. "Eh, ok? Im not really certain how far you want to take that. I grew up in the 'country'. I've hunted, fished, raised and butchered my share of livestock of different types. We raised chickens (only a few dozen at a time for eggs and meat) and the chicks that weren't sold (when we had any we let hatch) were raised and butchered. This is simply a convenient subject matter, they found a place where a bunch of animals that are cute and fuzzy looking are killed quickly and with the most efficiency they can be and hopefully the shock value will scare people into thinking the way they do. It wont work, but thats their plan. Personally I dont really feel one way or another about this, I've killed plenty of chickens for their meat, and turkeys, ducks, rabbits, etc along with larger animals hunting etc. Its not exactly enjoyable to fillet a fresh fish, but i like to eat them so why should I feel bad about it? You think a lobster suffers any less during their plunge into the boiling water? No, and im still gonna eat them. That doesnt make me psychotic.
To the person above about selling the ground up chicks, I'm 100% certain these places sell the final product, likely to pet food manufacturers or some such. First they dont want to pay to dispose it, and second theres likely a market for it. Any factory will find a way to sell whatever they can. For instance a wood window manufacturer we use sells their 'clean' sawdust to turkey farmers, and then they re-buy larger amounts of 'dirty' sawdust from lumber mills and loggers, to burn in a boiler to heat the plant. they have found a way to turn the waste product and turn it into a cheaper way to operate, same thing would apply here.
Two seconds of being ground up, how would you feel if you had to go through that and then people said "meh, it was only two seconds, who cares?" I'm by no means an animal rights activist or vegetarian (in fact, I mostly eat meat) but that, my friend, is quite fucked up.
" The alternative is sending the baby chicks to one of those shock reality shows where they'll be chewed up live on television. "I lol'd when I shouldn't have lol'd.
" GUYS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY SPRAY POISON ON POOR DEFENSELESS RATS AND MOSQUITOES? Oh wait, you accept the fact that they are useless pests because they aren't died purple and sold as Easter gifts. Like they said, a male chick is useless to the factories. All they do is take up space and food. Do you want those factory chickens to be even more crowded? You sick monsters... Jesus. Yes, let's take every one of those thousands of male chicks and give them a hug and a shot of a barbiturate. As a farm boy, I gotta tell yeah, what needs to get done needs to get done. This isn't torture, it's over in a matter of seconds. If you care so much, you can do one of two things: suggest a way for a factory to dispose of male chicks in a quick way that lives up to your superior ethical standards, or stop buying eggs at the grocery store. You won't do either, I'm sure. "I love the fact that this post is done by the guy with the Colonel Sanders avatar.
I was feeling sad until the guy told me to turn vegan and then I was like fuck off. i think the better thing to do would be to send the healthy ones to countries that need food. That would be better then just grinding them.
Hey, guess what guys? This is a cost-effective means of disposing of unwanted material. And yes, living tissue that doesn't belong to a human is essentially matter, like that of all others, to be disposed of by humans as they see fit.
Sure, they could find a more "humane" (what a ludicrous word to try to apply to treatment of animals) way to dispose of these chicks, or keep them alive so that a small portion of you could by them, but that would increase their costs exponentially. This process gets rid of them quickly and cheaply, and allows them to sell eggs at the prices they do. Adding to the cost of production of eggs (which is what male-chick preservation would inevitably do) would simply add to the cost of buying eggs, and there's no justification for arbitrarily increasing the cost of food, just because you watched too many Disney movies as a kid.
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