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Posted by Contrarian (1143 posts) -

This is Vision to America:

Vision To America is a division of Christian Worldview Communications, LLC. Founded in 2006 by Gary DeMar and Brandon Vallorani, Vision to America exists to help America return to our Founding Father’s vision for a Christian Republic. America was once a light to the world—a place that God blessed with liberty and prosperity. Today, Americans are taught that the Almighty State has all the answers. As a result, our God-given liberties are being traded for a false sense of security. It is our Vision to see Americans once again recognize that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights and that this Creator is the God of the Bible.

Numerous Republicans have expressed discontent with the Supreme Court’s upholding of the Affordable Care Act, but it took a Tea Party leader to imply that the decision could justify a new Civil War.

Mississippi Tea Party Chairman Roy Nicholson posted a statement at his group’s website on Friday proclaiming that “the US Supreme Court has joined with the Executive and Legislative branches of the federal government in abandoning the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and with that ruling abandoned the People.”

“The all out oppression of all people has begun,” Nicholson continued. “In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion. . . . May godly courageous leaders rise up in His wisdom and power to lead us in displacing the criminal invaders.”

Firstly, insurrection? Civil War? The Supreme Court ruled it constitutional, but hey, let's not support the Supreme Court if it doesn't suit us.

All out oppression? Over health care? Really? Treason? Invasion? By who? Displacing the criminal invaders? Did I fall asleep and miss that monumental event?

This is vile and the rhetoric that is eminating from the far right. Does free speech really go to inciting civil war? If it does, then that is just crazy. However, it gets worse when you read comments from the supporters - caution, vile, racist language will follow, as well as comments supporting killing the President:

Impeach Obama now. Impeach Chief Justice Roberts and the three other liberals in the Supreme Court after the next election.

Only "GOD,GUNS,and GUTS" can save te "REPUBLIC" now !!

Perhaps. But whatever we do, don't give Obama an excuse too declare Martial Law!

Stop financing the Federal Reserve Corporation by not filing a 1040 (civil disobedience).

Invest in America, buy guns & ammo. (civil obedience, 2nd amendment). Save America, shoot a muslim. (civil moral, saving our Constitution). OBAMACIDE = THE DEATH OF AMERICA

Everytime the black communisty does not like a ruling of our courts they go on a rampage. Pillaging and killing and stealing and setting fires.. and then lo and behold suddenly they are heroes because they did it. Well, I think it is time all smart Amercans, those who have not bought into the idiocy of this closed, secretive and illegal Whitehouse, should start marching ourselves. Oh, and bring your weapons... time to stand up to the gorillas of the obama administration. Time the rest of us were heard and not just the black militants, the illegals who are sucking us dry... the gay community, altho I do know they are smarter than that.. all those that Obama has catered to and sucked up to just to gain votes.. the rest of us.. the forgotten.. the ones who have jobs and homes and say very little but pay all the bills... It may be time for us to rise up and be heard for a change. How would you like that Barry????

Most of America KNOWS that Yobummer is a dirty filthy Kenyen muslim slimmy dirt-bag, even some of the blacks do, but most blacks want to stay with a loser to get their welfare checks. All hail to King Yobummer...the slime-bag of Washington DC who wants to destroy America and her Constitution. Invest in America, buy guns & ammo. Save America, shoot a dirty muslim.

What a great idea, We could meet at Boston Harbor and thow Barry and his boys in the drink...after fitting them with concrete shoes.....How about the 4th of July would that work....?

Hold on a second. Apart from the incitement to violence, which surely must be illegal, talking about wanting to kill the President? Surely the FBI must be monitoring, finding and charging these idiots? I have a special love for the next one:

The moronic criminals we have running our Government are out for no one except themselves. "We the People", no longer exists. We need to kick everyone of these criminals out of their jobs. We need the lady that is running Australia to run America for about a month and straighten out all of this crap. She has more stones than the wimps we have running America. Our supposed war hero Senators and Congressmen are now wimps. America is going to crap every day Obuma is in office. If you want "We the People" back it's time to clean house. It time to take out the trash. One at a time, down the road they go.

That lady from Australia is Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who by any definition is a socialsit. She has just introduced a Carbon Tax and a Mineral Rent tax and then distributed that money to the more needy citizens. Not only that, but she isn't married, but living with her boyfriend and is an atheist! Do they really want her?

Our Government criminals could care less if we write them daily. They work for themselves not for us. What part of quit spending money are they missing out on. Kenya can't believe the amount of money that America is giving them and spending in Obuma's homeland. This is what you morons put in the White House, a Muslim Kenyan Socialist. Our Government is lazy, they make th same mistakes over and over and over.

There are still people who think Obama is a Muslim? Where do we find these people?

Just imagine... plans for an army in the many pages of what is supposed to be a healthcare bill... THIS IS HOW EVIL BARRY IS. WAKE UP YOU FOOLS IN AMERICA, who still think this man is not a communist.

Becouse at least with him we won;t be a Muslim Coun try,with Obummer we are doomed to be,,,The U.S. Constitution will not be the law of the land,Sharra Law will, your wife,girlfriend,daughter will have to wear borkas and if there ankles shows they will be whipped in public,if anyone says anything bad about the muslim faith they will be put to death for it by stoning ,it happons EVERY day in Islaim countries,In Dearborn the muslims already control 3/4's of the city council so they control the Lawsw enacted,the police EVERYTHING and YES Sharra law is used there even if you are not a muslim

Ever read the book The Jungle Story? The monkey people go around telling everyone how great the are. Well we do the same thing telling everyone ow free we are. Seems like a simularity there some how. The evolutionists might be right after all.

Sure, that Tea Party guy is probably just one wacko, but why is there so much hatred festering inside the USA? This is a great country that still has great potential, but why is that when some people don't get their own way, they have to resort to vile and inflammatory rhetoric? I know that the Tea Party guy took it back later, but I am sure that was more about spin thean his real sentiment, but any person with common sense should denounce him as crazy. If Obama is re-elected, surely that is the will of the people? Democracy in action?

I am very worried for the future of America. It seems to be slipping rapidly into the abyss, not the economic one, but the social one. With all the weapons around, no-one can afford a second US Civil War. It would infect the entire world and we would all suffer. Where and when will all this end?

#1 Posted by Contrarian (1143 posts) -

This is Vision to America:

Vision To America is a division of Christian Worldview Communications, LLC. Founded in 2006 by Gary DeMar and Brandon Vallorani, Vision to America exists to help America return to our Founding Father’s vision for a Christian Republic. America was once a light to the world—a place that God blessed with liberty and prosperity. Today, Americans are taught that the Almighty State has all the answers. As a result, our God-given liberties are being traded for a false sense of security. It is our Vision to see Americans once again recognize that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights and that this Creator is the God of the Bible.

Numerous Republicans have expressed discontent with the Supreme Court’s upholding of the Affordable Care Act, but it took a Tea Party leader to imply that the decision could justify a new Civil War.

Mississippi Tea Party Chairman Roy Nicholson posted a statement at his group’s website on Friday proclaiming that “the US Supreme Court has joined with the Executive and Legislative branches of the federal government in abandoning the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and with that ruling abandoned the People.”

“The all out oppression of all people has begun,” Nicholson continued. “In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion. . . . May godly courageous leaders rise up in His wisdom and power to lead us in displacing the criminal invaders.”

Firstly, insurrection? Civil War? The Supreme Court ruled it constitutional, but hey, let's not support the Supreme Court if it doesn't suit us.

All out oppression? Over health care? Really? Treason? Invasion? By who? Displacing the criminal invaders? Did I fall asleep and miss that monumental event?

This is vile and the rhetoric that is eminating from the far right. Does free speech really go to inciting civil war? If it does, then that is just crazy. However, it gets worse when you read comments from the supporters - caution, vile, racist language will follow, as well as comments supporting killing the President:

Impeach Obama now. Impeach Chief Justice Roberts and the three other liberals in the Supreme Court after the next election.

Only "GOD,GUNS,and GUTS" can save te "REPUBLIC" now !!

Perhaps. But whatever we do, don't give Obama an excuse too declare Martial Law!

Stop financing the Federal Reserve Corporation by not filing a 1040 (civil disobedience).

Invest in America, buy guns & ammo. (civil obedience, 2nd amendment). Save America, shoot a muslim. (civil moral, saving our Constitution). OBAMACIDE = THE DEATH OF AMERICA

Everytime the black communisty does not like a ruling of our courts they go on a rampage. Pillaging and killing and stealing and setting fires.. and then lo and behold suddenly they are heroes because they did it. Well, I think it is time all smart Amercans, those who have not bought into the idiocy of this closed, secretive and illegal Whitehouse, should start marching ourselves. Oh, and bring your weapons... time to stand up to the gorillas of the obama administration. Time the rest of us were heard and not just the black militants, the illegals who are sucking us dry... the gay community, altho I do know they are smarter than that.. all those that Obama has catered to and sucked up to just to gain votes.. the rest of us.. the forgotten.. the ones who have jobs and homes and say very little but pay all the bills... It may be time for us to rise up and be heard for a change. How would you like that Barry????

Most of America KNOWS that Yobummer is a dirty filthy Kenyen muslim slimmy dirt-bag, even some of the blacks do, but most blacks want to stay with a loser to get their welfare checks. All hail to King Yobummer...the slime-bag of Washington DC who wants to destroy America and her Constitution. Invest in America, buy guns & ammo. Save America, shoot a dirty muslim.

What a great idea, We could meet at Boston Harbor and thow Barry and his boys in the drink...after fitting them with concrete shoes.....How about the 4th of July would that work....?

Hold on a second. Apart from the incitement to violence, which surely must be illegal, talking about wanting to kill the President? Surely the FBI must be monitoring, finding and charging these idiots? I have a special love for the next one:

The moronic criminals we have running our Government are out for no one except themselves. "We the People", no longer exists. We need to kick everyone of these criminals out of their jobs. We need the lady that is running Australia to run America for about a month and straighten out all of this crap. She has more stones than the wimps we have running America. Our supposed war hero Senators and Congressmen are now wimps. America is going to crap every day Obuma is in office. If you want "We the People" back it's time to clean house. It time to take out the trash. One at a time, down the road they go.

That lady from Australia is Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who by any definition is a socialsit. She has just introduced a Carbon Tax and a Mineral Rent tax and then distributed that money to the more needy citizens. Not only that, but she isn't married, but living with her boyfriend and is an atheist! Do they really want her?

Our Government criminals could care less if we write them daily. They work for themselves not for us. What part of quit spending money are they missing out on. Kenya can't believe the amount of money that America is giving them and spending in Obuma's homeland. This is what you morons put in the White House, a Muslim Kenyan Socialist. Our Government is lazy, they make th same mistakes over and over and over.

There are still people who think Obama is a Muslim? Where do we find these people?

Just imagine... plans for an army in the many pages of what is supposed to be a healthcare bill... THIS IS HOW EVIL BARRY IS. WAKE UP YOU FOOLS IN AMERICA, who still think this man is not a communist.

Becouse at least with him we won;t be a Muslim Coun try,with Obummer we are doomed to be,,,The U.S. Constitution will not be the law of the land,Sharra Law will, your wife,girlfriend,daughter will have to wear borkas and if there ankles shows they will be whipped in public,if anyone says anything bad about the muslim faith they will be put to death for it by stoning ,it happons EVERY day in Islaim countries,In Dearborn the muslims already control 3/4's of the city council so they control the Lawsw enacted,the police EVERYTHING and YES Sharra law is used there even if you are not a muslim

Ever read the book The Jungle Story? The monkey people go around telling everyone how great the are. Well we do the same thing telling everyone ow free we are. Seems like a simularity there some how. The evolutionists might be right after all.

Sure, that Tea Party guy is probably just one wacko, but why is there so much hatred festering inside the USA? This is a great country that still has great potential, but why is that when some people don't get their own way, they have to resort to vile and inflammatory rhetoric? I know that the Tea Party guy took it back later, but I am sure that was more about spin thean his real sentiment, but any person with common sense should denounce him as crazy. If Obama is re-elected, surely that is the will of the people? Democracy in action?

I am very worried for the future of America. It seems to be slipping rapidly into the abyss, not the economic one, but the social one. With all the weapons around, no-one can afford a second US Civil War. It would infect the entire world and we would all suffer. Where and when will all this end?

#2 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -

I just wanted to say that if you his want Gillard you are more than fucking welcome to take her off our hands!

(take Tony Abbot too if you don't mind, maybe that way we might get a decent PM)

#3 Posted by Contrarian (1143 posts) -

@Tim_the_Corsair said:

I just wanted to say that if you his want Gillard you are more than fucking welcome to take her off our hands! (take Tony Abbot too if you don't mind, maybe that way we might get a decent PM)

An Atheist, living in sin, socialist leader? That will NEVER happen in the USA. Did they not read up on her? She would be the anti-Christ to them.

#4 Posted by ShadowConqueror (3052 posts) -

Those people are all idiots. It is absolutely illegal to threaten the president, so hopefully those who did will be prosecuted accordingly.

#5 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -
@Contrarian

@Tim_the_Corsair said:

I just wanted to say that if you his want Gillard you are more than fucking welcome to take her off our hands! (take Tony Abbot too if you don't mind, maybe that way we might get a decent PM)

An Atheist, living in sin, socialist leader? That will NEVER happen in the USA. Did they not read up on her? She would be the anti-Christ to them.

I'm pretty sure they didn't lol, unless someone was just being a sarcastic smartarse
#6 Posted by The_Hiro_Abides (1263 posts) -

This is just fear mongering. Yes I'm sure they're being monitored on whether they are just blowing hot air or if further action is required.

#7 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

America! Fuck yeah!

#8 Posted by Milkman (16800 posts) -

Wise and Christian/Republican don't really mix.

#9 Posted by Brodehouse (9950 posts) -

Man, it must be election year because the nutbars are advocating secession and I think we should give it to them. They want to live in Jesusland so bad it hurts, and I wouldn't mind adding New York and California to the economy.

#10 Posted by UncleClassy (405 posts) -
@Contrarian said:

This is Vision to America:

Vision To America is a division of Christian Worldview Communications, LLC. Founded in 2006 by Gary DeMar and Brandon Vallorani, Vision to America exists to help America return to our Founding Father’s vision for a Christian Republic.

Hahahaha. People actually believe this?!
#11 Posted by FourWude (2261 posts) -

Did you know in Dearborn??? that there is Sharra law!!! And everyone has to live by it otherwise they get stoned.

Where the fuck is Dearborn anyway?

#12 Posted by jewunit (1061 posts) -

It's incendiary speech, but it is largely protected by the First Amendment. If this sort of language was in a pamphlet, it would be protected speech. If this guy was giving a speech to a group of people and encouraging them to commit illegal acts, he could be found guilty of solicitation. Overall though, beyond the "save America, shoot a Muslim" thing, he is largely advising people to rebel by legal means. I certainly don't agree with his opinions and think he could use an editor, but he isn't technically doing anything wrong.

As for the future of American society, I think things will improve. It just happens to be very partisan right now. The rights of the federal government, the state government, and the individual are in flux at the moment due to the attempted reforms of the financial and medical systems. The important thing is to stay involved where you can and advocate for what you believe is right. Think of it as your...vision of America.

#13 Edited by Addfwyn (1925 posts) -

@UncleClassy: You'd be surprised how many people think the country was founded on christian principles, despite being almost exactly the opposite. Granted, these same people probably don't actually know what christian principles even are.

@Brodehouse said:

Man, it must be election year because the nutbars are advocating secession and I think we should give it to them. They want to live in Jesusland so bad it hurts, and I wouldn't mind adding New York and California to the economy.

Sounds like Thirteen by Richard Morgan, where the US divided between the west/northeast and Jesusland.

#14 Posted by JordanK85 (140 posts) -

Why do you think this semi-coherent sound and fury is at all representative of any trends in the general feeling of the American public? Do you have statistically sound surveys and polls to indicate this or have you just read a bunch of internet comments on a radical's website?

#15 Posted by Emperor_Jimmu (249 posts) -

Video Games!

#16 Posted by FilipHolm (667 posts) -

The close-mindness and ignorance of some people is simply stunning. It's like something taken straight out of South Park.

#17 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -

Do you just go around searching for extremists on the internet and say ``This is what all republicans are like"?

#18 Edited by mlarrabee (2962 posts) -

The American right to overthrow the American government, violently, if necessary, is clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence.

But here's an idea. You could stop posting extreme-spectrum political party rants and we could all talk about video games.

#19 Posted by natetodamax (19207 posts) -
@mlarrabee

The American right to overthrow the American government, violently, if necessary, is clearly stated in the constitution.

But here's an idea. You could stop posting extreme-spectrum political party rants and we could all talk about video games.

Yeah, but that would never happen because all of the uprisers would be shot.
#20 Posted by coakroach (2490 posts) -

DEMOCRACY.

#21 Posted by Arker101 (1474 posts) -

@mlarrabee said:

The American right to overthrow the American government, violently, if necessary, is clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence.

But here's an idea. You could stop posting extreme-spectrum political party rants and we could all talk about video games.

@Addfwyn said:

@UncleClassy: You'd be surprised how many people think the country was founded on christian principles, despite being almost exactly the opposite. Granted, these same people probably don't actually know what christian principles even are.

#22 Posted by animathias (1186 posts) -

The last two posts I've read from you were from right wing extremists. Do you just search the web for extremist points of view so you can crap on everyone in the Republican party? I'm a registered republican and the only two things from that entire work of lunacy that I agree with is that Obama is not good for our country and this healthcare bill is a very bad idea.

One man's (or woman's) insane scribblings do not paint an entire party, nor do not have any bearing on the future of the country.

#23 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

@mlarrabee said:

The American right to overthrow the American government, violently, if necessary, is clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence.

But here's an idea. You could stop posting extreme-spectrum political party rants and we could all talk about video games.

Actually, has a video game been made yet involving that premise? Not the ranting, the American people overthrowing the American government.

#24 Posted by twigger89 (278 posts) -

@animathias said:

The last two posts I've read from you were from right wing extremists. Do you just search the web for extremist points of view so you can crap on everyone in the Republican party? I'm a registered republican and the only two things from that entire work of lunacy that I agree with is that Obama is not good for our country and this healthcare bill is a very bad idea.

One man's (or woman's) insane scribblings do not paint an entire party, nor do not have any bearing on the future of the country.

This. I am a pretty hardcore liberal, but even I know that the vast majority of conservatives are not that nutty. This is extremism to the point of advocating domestic terrorism.

That being said I wish fiscal conservatives would force religious fundamentalists out of the party so that they could form their own pointless party, and we could go back to having rational discussions about the government and it's place in the economy

#25 Posted by adam1808 (1499 posts) -

@Tim_the_Corsair: I doubt someone with political views such as these would bother to read up on our PM. The fact that she isn't black would be enough for whoever wrote this, the fact that Australia is comparatively socialist is an inconvenient one for a bigoted prat trying to be the next Joseph McCarthy.

#26 Posted by Galiant (2193 posts) -

@Contrarian: I actually read your entire post for some reason (I usually try to stay away from political discussions), and I hardly even know what to say. I don't understand how these people can be spreading hatred like this and truly believe that it's justified. Sometimes I read articles online where you have to post using your Facebook ID (which means you can't be completely anonymous) and people say the most vile, hateful things regardless. I thought comments like these were just people trolling or venting behind anonymity, but apparently these people are very real. It scares me.

#27 Posted by Animasta (14692 posts) -

@Ravenlight said:

@mlarrabee said:

The American right to overthrow the American government, violently, if necessary, is clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence.

But here's an idea. You could stop posting extreme-spectrum political party rants and we could all talk about video games.

Actually, has a video game been made yet involving that premise? Not the ranting, the American people overthrowing the American government.

wasn't that the premise for that rainbow six game?

#28 Posted by Von (328 posts) -

@Contrarian said:

With all the weapons around, no-one can afford a second US Civil War. It would infect the entire world and we would all suffer. Where and when will all this end?

I beg your pardon? USA has already infected the entire world and we're all suffering from it. There's no denying that USA is a bloody bully, I'm just wondering when people will set their foot down and say "enough!" (and that goes for all people of all nations, not just the american citizens who has to suffer from their own government).

#29 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
Blah blah blah something cynical.
#30 Edited by WarlockEngineerMoreDakka (432 posts) -

@Galiant said:

I don't understand how these people can be spreading hatred like this and truly believe that it's justified.

Because they believe they benefit from this message- that simple. It's justified from THEIR perspective- and that's the only perspective most people seem to ever have. Sometimes you just have to keep in mind that humans tend to be selfish by nature.

@Von said:

I'm just wondering when people will set their foot down and say "enough!" (and that goes for all people of all nations, not just the american citizens who has to suffer from their own government).

American citizens won't be doing that anytime soon- it's well known the vast majority of american citizens don't give a **** and have absolutely no knowledge on our government and its actions.

Now citizens from other nations? That's actually probably a little more likely to happen at some point.

#31 Posted by JasonR86 (9710 posts) -

Oh boy.

Listen, 'wise' is irrelevant. People have the protected right in the US to say whatever they want. We all also have the right to ignore them. If we do, the people we don't agree with will no longer have anyone to talk to on their soapbox. So ignore them. Even if they do continue to preach on their soapbox if they speak lunacy like 'civil war' nothing of importance or value will come of it. So who fucking cares?

#32 Posted by Still_I_Cry (2494 posts) -

You are really getting quite boring with your remarks about Christian Conservatives. At first they were funny, for a bit, now they're just dull..

"An Atheist, living in sin, socialist leader?"

Ah, goodness me..

#33 Posted by UltorOscariot (202 posts) -

Oh noes. Crazy person says things on the Internet! Let's all make cross-cultural judgements and look for excuses to show our own bigotry or bash the only non-imperial super power in world history because it makes us feel better about our geopolitical irrelivence.

#34 Posted by Meowshi (2911 posts) -

@Emperor_Jimmu said:

Video Games!

Off-Topic Forums!

#35 Posted by TheFreeMan (2712 posts) -
@Ravenlight said:

@mlarrabee said:

The American right to overthrow the American government, violently, if necessary, is clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence.

But here's an idea. You could stop posting extreme-spectrum political party rants and we could all talk about video games.

Actually, has a video game been made yet involving that premise? Not the ranting, the American people overthrowing the American government.

They don't really focus on it, but that's basically the premise of Shadow Complex. Or, well, it's universe, as shown in the Empire and Hidden Empire novels by Orson Scott Card. Don't read em, the former is okay and the latter is awful (like, real bad). 
 
Oh yeah, first post creeps me out and is sad.
#36 Posted by RTSlord (1201 posts) -

There was nothing Christian about that whole message. I would know, I'm a Christian. These people are idiots

#37 Edited by Jams (2961 posts) -

@twigger89 said:

@animathias said:

The last two posts I've read from you were from right wing extremists. Do you just search the web for extremist points of view so you can crap on everyone in the Republican party? I'm a registered republican and the only two things from that entire work of lunacy that I agree with is that Obama is not good for our country and this healthcare bill is a very bad idea.

One man's (or woman's) insane scribblings do not paint an entire party, nor do not have any bearing on the future of the country.

This. I am a pretty hardcore liberal, but even I know that the vast majority of conservatives are not that nutty. This is extremism to the point of advocating domestic terrorism.

That being said I wish fiscal conservatives would force religious fundamentalists out of the party so that they could form their own pointless party, and we could go back to having rational discussions about the government and it's place in the economy

How else is he going to trick people into his way of thinking if he doesn't pretend everyone who doesn't agree with him are extremely dumb and dangerous? It's a sad tactic from both sides. For the conservatives, it's tricking people into thinking liberals are going to steal their way of life and turn everyone into grass eating monochrome robots who serve the machine of the government. For the liberals, they trick people into believing conservatives are all out evil corporations who want to suck the life force out of every earth loving human and animal. Forcing everyone to eat their own shit to survive while hilariously enough, turning people into monochrome robots who work for private corporations.

and then there are the people who see through all the bullshit but are stuck choosing between the lesser of two evils.

#38 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@mlarrabee said:

The American right to overthrow the American government, violently, if necessary, is clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence.

But the Declaration of Independence has absolutely no legal authority. It's pretty damn important to American history, but it's not a plan for government that people had to agree to (like the Constitution or the Bill of Rights); it's a list of reasons why Britain could go fuck itself.

#39 Edited by ManU_Fan10ne (662 posts) -

@RTSlord said:

There was nothing Christian about that whole message. I would know, I'm a Christian. These people are idiots

the funny thing is, if you switch a few words around, you would think these guys were Muslim extremists. extremists of all sides are all idiots, and the fact that they can get people to support/follow them is where i get really surprised.

@FourWude said:

Did you know in Dearborn??? that there is Sharra law!!! And everyone has to live by it otherwise they get stoned.

Where the fuck is Dearborn anyway?

its in michigan. has a big arab population that goes back 2 or 3 generations. and to say that there is sharia law there, that's a joke.

#40 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (1215 posts) -

@No0b0rAmA said:

Do you just go around searching for extremists on the internet and say ``This is what all republicans are like"?

This. I consider myself a republican and theres no way in hell i'm anything like this.

#41 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (1215 posts) -

@Von said:

@Contrarian said:

With all the weapons around, no-one can afford a second US Civil War. It would infect the entire world and we would all suffer. Where and when will all this end?

I beg your pardon? USA has already infected the entire world and we're all suffering from it. There's no denying that USA is a bloody bully, I'm just wondering when people will set their foot down and say "enough!" (and that goes for all people of all nations, not just the american citizens who has to suffer from their own government).

I'm sorry, but what country are you from exactly?

#42 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!

#43 Posted by JasonR86 (9710 posts) -

@Von said:

@Contrarian said:

With all the weapons around, no-one can afford a second US Civil War. It would infect the entire world and we would all suffer. Where and when will all this end?

I beg your pardon? USA has already infected the entire world and we're all suffering from it. There's no denying that USA is a bloody bully, I'm just wondering when people will set their foot down and say "enough!" (and that goes for all people of all nations, not just the american citizens who has to suffer from their own government).

Uh-huh.

#44 Posted by ProfessorK (824 posts) -

At this point in history, does anyone still really believe that it matters who is in office anymore. In the end they don't serve the people and just the corrupt greedy corporations that keep palms greased anyway.

#45 Posted by binhoker (82 posts) -

I'd be all for all out civil war in the US, then maybe they could drone strike a few of their own wedding parties for a change.

#46 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4308 posts) -

Im sorry but if you actually support this then youre fucking retarded

#47 Posted by mlarrabee (2962 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@mlarrabee said:

The American right to overthrow the American government, violently, if necessary, is clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence.

But the Declaration of Independence has absolutely no legal authority. It's pretty damn important to American history, but it's not a plan for government that people had to agree to (like the Constitution or the Bill of Rights); it's a list of reasons why Britain could go fuck itself.

That's very true that it was never intended as a constitutional document, but the opening statement:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

...states clearly that they believed any people group should be capable and willing to throw off an oppressive governing body, regardless of the nation or class of system.

But just so I'm not associated with the OP's quote, I'm not advocating revolt, nor am I about to take up arms against my beloved country. I think America will collapse for the same reasons as the Roman Empire long before revolt is even remotely necessary.

#48 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
#49 Posted by Spoonman671 (4640 posts) -

It's a shame nobody was upset about this sort of thing when Bush was president.
 
Also, those people are idiots.

#50 Edited by mlarrabee (2962 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@mlarrabee:

I see your Founding Father's intentions and raise you a Supreme Court case.

I'm not one of those, "The Founding Father's said it, and what they wanted has to remain!," kind of people, as I believe they designed a system that should adapt to the desires of the people (as a democratic republic should). But the FF unintentionally shot the country in the foot when they instituted the Supreme Court. A single judicial body, immutable by the the nation's people, chosen by and answerable to the president alone. Nine citizens beneath one, the one removable, the nine essentially not. 1

I believe there are a lot of cases in which the desires of today's citizens should overrule the founders' intentions. But I think any ruling expressly forbidding what was expressly encouraged by the founders means something is very wrong with either the founders' intentions or the modern ruling.

I can't find the original thread, but I'll quote below what I stated there:

There is nothing more illegal in this "democratic Republic" than the Supreme Court.

EDIT: Wait a second... This is about our flag, isn't it. You can move it if you want; we can't even see it from here.