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#1 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3820 posts) -

I've been noticing a pretty annoying trend lately in the forums. Mods are locking threads simply because they don't like what the thread is about. Threads that don't break any of the forum rules, and frankly, exist on pretty much every internet forum that exists.

In this case, I am indeed talking about the dreaded "Girl Advice" thread, and specifically the mod Tons of these threads are created, but they are also some of the most viewed and participated threads on the forum. Obviously there is a call for, and interest in, them since they pop up so frequently and people respond so often. Gamers and internet-dwellers are a timid breed, and they often don't have the confidence or experience around the opposite sex that our more socially-inclined brethren have, so they seek advice from people they don't know for impartiality and anonymity reasons, or from people they know (to a limited degree) and trust. I've never really made a Girl Advice thread, per se (not that I can recall anyway), but I do think they serve a purpose, and I do like participating in them, because, hey, I'm a blowhard that likes giving people advice--even when it concerns relationships. I think it's annoying that they are getting shut down because "Sweep doesn't like them", in any case.

First off, they don't break the site rules, as you can see here:

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Secondly, these are the forums of the Giant Bomb Community. Not Sweep's personal forums. I don't care whether or not he likes them, he doesn't really have the right to shut them down. If Giant Bomb creates a new forum rule that says "no relationship threads" then so be it, but as of now, this rule doesn't exist.

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@mandude said:
My only advice to you my friend is to fake your own death.
This dude knows how it works.
I hate girl advice threads. Hate hate hate. They aren't against the site rules. They are against my rules. The only reason this get's a pass is because it's about videogames and is therefore relevant to my interests.
Still, the only logical conclusion here is that you should fake your own death.

Thirdly, he's a dick about it when he does shut these threads down.

Post by Sweep (5,272 posts) See mini bioLevel 25 / 1868 ACH / 25485 P

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@Tylea002 said:
Maybe there should be a relationship advice subforum?
Over my dead body.
Relationship advice threads are the bane of the internet, Giant Bomb especially. This is a videogame website. Nobody cares that you can't get laid.

Posted 19 minutes ago

In that last one, he's directly insulting the OP, which I believe is in violation of site rules. Just like you think "nobody cares that you can't get laid", Sweep, nobody cares what threads you do or don't like. This isn't your forum.

I don't really care much about relationship threads, really. I do think threads about personal lives foster a sense of belonging and community on the internet, which is the point of a forum, and especially an Off-Topic forum. In fact, some funny memes have started from these threads, some people actually give good and meaningful advice, and a number of relationships (not just mine) started on these forums. If the users decide to use the forums for this, I think it's their right and their decision. Not Sweep's. And it's the principal of the thing. The job of a mod is to enforce the site rules. Not to have the site and its users be what they want them to be and do what they want them to do.

I've never been one to be like "fuck the Mods" or a conspiracy-theorist or any of that bullshit. I just think he's breaking the site's rules and doing shit he shouldn't be, so I'm calling it out. I have no problem with Sweep at all, I just think this situation needs to be addressed. Despite how you may or may not feel about relationship threads, what are your thoughts on this?

#2 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4855 posts) -

I agree with you. Sweep's a cool dude, but he's been getting pretty lock-happy lately.

#3 Edited by Lagaroth (171 posts) -

I would argue that a 'Girl Advice Thread' is the definition of flame baiting.

Edit: And troll baiting.

#4 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19372 posts) -

I enjoy internally laughing at girl advice threads, but I agree that I don't think they should be banned from this site. They're nice to read and most people who post these threads actually do need advice. I don't see the problem with other people seeking help and other people genuinely wanting to help coming together like that.

#5 Posted by Galiant (2193 posts) -

You never know if they're serious or not. There are so many. You could argue that they are spam, trolling, or encourage trolling.

I don't see the problem locking these threads down.

#6 Posted by Totori (559 posts) -

video game website guys

#7 Posted by theguy (796 posts) -

Where do I sign for a "No relationship threads" rule?

#8 Posted by Garfield518 (404 posts) -

A lot of people here, mods and users alike, have double standards and odd moral compasses.

Nothing new.

#9 Posted by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

I also think it's a shame to see these relationship threads being locked since I love reading them and sometimes participate in them. I don't quite get how it's alright locking them since they're not against the rules, but if there's on thing I've been told a lot on this forum it's to not go against the mods.

This thread probably won't stay alive for long either.

#10 Edited by WickedFather (1733 posts) -

I never read them but I've got to give you much respect for this thread.
 
@theguy said:

Where do I sign for a "No relationship threads" rule?

Same place we sign for a no religion thread.
#11 Posted by Jrad (624 posts) -

I don't participate in the relationship advice threads, but that last lock did seem a bit odd. It's a trite topic, and I don't think there's anything to be gained from asking for advice like that on a videogames forum, so I'd understand a forum-wide ban on the subject, but in the absence of a rule against them, I don't think a straight-up lock is the way to go so long as the thread remains civil. There's not a forum-wide ban on religion or politics threads, but there's an implicit understanding that when things get out of hand, the thread will be locked, as per the rules. There's no reason for relationship threads to be dealt with any differently.

#12 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

@Totori said:

video game website guys

off topic

#13 Posted by Doctorchimp (4078 posts) -

@Sweep:

Don't let these people brainwash you! Fuck relationship threads on giantbomb. Jesus.

#14 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19372 posts) -

@Galiant said:

You never know if they're serious or not. There are so many. You could argue that they are spam, trolling, or encourage trolling.

I don't see the problem locking these threads down.

Then why don't we have a big ass "Girl Advice" thread? If someone wanted advice, they'd just post in there instead of making their own.

#15 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3820 posts) -

@Cloudenvy said:

but if there's on thing I've been told a lot on this forum it's to not go against the mods.

That's a problem. That partly comes from people doing stupid shit and being full of themselves, I'm just bringing up what I think is an interesting point. If it gets locked just because I'm asking a question, I think it's a shame.

#16 Edited by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

Yeah there has been some dickery around as of late. But hey, I'm a conscientious objector!

edit: And why doesnt he wanna help a dude bro get laid? Community brosef!

#17 Posted by ShaggE (6570 posts) -

If people would just start touching her shoulder, this wouldn't be an issue.

#18 Posted by Fallen189 (5036 posts) -

I am excited to see where this thread will go

#19 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

Then why don't we have a big ass "Girl Advice" thread? If someone wanted advice, they'd just post in there instead of making their own.

More like a "Big-Ass-Girl Advice" thread ;)

#20 Posted by Totori (559 posts) -
@Dagbiker said:

@Totori said:

video game website guys

off topic

hand jobs
#21 Posted by dungbootle (2458 posts) -

I agree, it shouldn't matter what you talk about as long as it follows the site rules. Especially applies in Off-Topic, talk about whatever you want.

#22 Posted by Galiant (2193 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

@Galiant said:

You never know if they're serious or not. There are so many. You could argue that they are spam, trolling, or encourage trolling.

I don't see the problem locking these threads down.

Then why don't we have a big ass "Girl Advice" thread? If someone wanted advice, they'd just post in there instead of making their own.

I encourage you to pursue this initiative! I'd do it myself, but...I'm beating an undead horse to level my two-handed skill, and typing is slow with one hand.

#23 Edited by AngelN7 (2970 posts) -

Those threads don't serve any porpuse other than entertaiment material, for every couple of "advices" from these so called 'socially adept' dudes , there are 10 "fake your own death/touch her shoulder" comments.

#24 Posted by Animasta (14715 posts) -

@ShaggE said:

If people would just start touching her shoulder, this wouldn't be an issue.

that's insensitive to gay men and women D: it should be touch his or her shoulder.

#25 Posted by Harkat (1104 posts) -

I find Sweep to be a good mod in general, but have to agree with you on this one.

#26 Posted by DuskVamp (681 posts) -

It's not just relationship threads, I was in a thread a while back and people mentioned The IT Crowd, Sweep locked it just because he didn't like The IT Crowd.

#27 Edited by AhmadMetallic (18954 posts) -

I agree. This website has the best moderators I've ever seen, and Sweep is a killer dude, but in the last few months the thread locking has lost its professional, site-representing attitude and turned into a personal "what mood is the moderator in?" kind of shindig.

When it comes to the Girl Advice issue specifically, I personally believe they should be either locked or kept open based on their content. If there's an actual social discussion going on with people exchanging opinions in a decent manner, I don't see why it should get locked. Whereas if it's just dumb or full of random posts, it's spam.

The thread presented in the OP however, was clearly pointless since the guy missed out on having sex and he's trying to share his regret.

#28 Posted by slyspider (1302 posts) -

Hey look, a thread complaining about a mod, THIS WILL END WELL RIGHT? RIGHT???????????

Besides, we have an off topic sub for a reason. This is a videogame forum, but it is an OFF TOPIC sub. As long as its not breaking rules i should beable to post off topic shit in there

#29 Posted by Grimhild (723 posts) -

@theguy said:

Where do I sign for a "No relationship threads" rule?

Same. They usually just devolve into back and forth comments of "TOUCH HER SHOULDER SOFTLY LOLOLOL" or "u shud hit dat lololololol." Riveting. Maybe they shouldn't have an anonymous forum for this type of thing so they, I don't know, actually learn first hand on how to deal with relationship problems instead of defaulting to that bastion of maturity and completely reliable information, "the Internet." Not the first time it will come up.

#30 Posted by Nottle (1917 posts) -

@Wrighteous86: Can we elect you mod? Good on you for speaking up and being reasonable.

While we are talking about closing threads, I never like how potentially interesting threads get shut down. I think just because someone posts a video with no writing, doesn't mean that there can't be a discussion. I know that is a rule, but a kind o lame one.

Also I forgot who it was but i could have sworn a mod made a hurting girlfriend/ abortion of their baby joke. I don't remember it, and was gonna say something but ended up really not caring. Just thought it was odd.

#31 Posted by N7 (3609 posts) -
@dungbootle said:

I agree, it shouldn't matter what you talk about as long as it follows the site rules. Especially applies in Off-Topic, talk about whatever you want.

Yeah... I don't even know what else could be said. Why do we have rules if the people enforcing them get to make up their own?
#32 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3820 posts) -

@AngelN7: What purpose is any thread about video games then? Or photoshop threads? Or Giant Bomb Babies? Or anything writes?

#33 Edited by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

@Wrighteous86 said:

@Cloudenvy said:

but if there's on thing I've been told a lot on this forum it's to not go against the mods.

That's a problem. That partly comes from people doing stupid shit and being full of themselves, I'm just bringing up what I think is an interesting point. If it gets locked just because I'm asking a question, I think it's a shame.

Well, I imagine they'll lock it and say "If you have a problem with one of the mods, PM us instead of making a thread about it" like they've done so many times.

#34 Posted by Tylea002 (2295 posts) -

@Wrighteous86: If it wasn't clear, I was being sarcastic when I said we should have our own Relationship forum. THAT IS AN AWFUL IDEA. It does have no place here.

That said, I'm an optimist and I like to believe that every single one of those threads is created by someone who does genuinely believe that a gaming website could help them with their relationship. But as the site grows, you have to lay down the rules. Thus why the "best breasts" thread worked 2 years ago when the site was smaller.

It doesn't play on a larger scale.

#35 Posted by ShaggE (6570 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@ShaggE said:

If people would just start touching her shoulder, this wouldn't be an issue.

that's insensitive to gay men and women D: it should be touch his or her shoulder.

Touching HIS shoulder is too dangerous, as you can see:

#36 Posted by Animasta (14715 posts) -

also I don't think sweep was a good mod, during that thread about banning those words that were banned and yet cunt was considered fine, he just kept dropping it despite many people saying to him that it was offensive.

Not to say he shouldn't be able to say it because the (very very arbitrary) rules on wordz, but mods working THAT blue... they should hold themselves up to a little higher of a standard.

#37 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8699 posts) -

Don't like it don't click it I say.
No need for lockings.
 
Yes I'm talking about the redhead topic, grumble grumble.

#38 Posted by BeachThunder (12113 posts) -

Honestly, relationship threads can get weird/creepy; but I can't see any reason that people shouldn't actually be allowed to make them...

#39 Posted by Lagaroth (171 posts) -

I don't think it is an issue of mods 'making their own rules', but rather them having a different interpretation of the rules. Every relationship thread has dozens of 'Touch her shoulder', which could be viewed as trolling. Posting that topic leads to that post, which could be seen as troll baiting. Troll baiting is against the rules.

#40 Posted by RPGee (762 posts) -

Shall I play Devil's advocate? Even though I'm clearly not advocating for the Devil, unless Sweep is not telling us something.

The mods, in my opinion, are there to keep topics that they deem unsavoury or spammy or meaningless off the boards. That's the whole point of moderation, and it's why they get the power. So, if they deem that something is not appropriate and is actively being a detriment to the boards, then they are entitled to lock it down. If there wasn't a policing presence, then this whole place could devolve into something very, very disturbing quickly.

On the other hand, I'll acknowledge that I don't agree with these relationship threads being shut down, partially because I like telling people the obvious advice they need to hear and partially because the potential for hilarity is high. Shutting down a thread that's not in violation of any of the rules just because you don't like it seems like a misuse of power. But again, mods are generally picked for a reason, and so their decision needs to be respected to an extent, I guess. Disagreement can be had, but it's not necessarily within our rights to tell them what they can and can't do; that comes from even higher.

Anyway, thusly is my opinion. Thought I'd get in before this thread gets locked too.

#41 Posted by Gizmo (5389 posts) -

I want my GOD-DAMN RELATIONSHIP ADVICE THREADS, DAMN IT SWEEP! Do not deny me!

#42 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

I agree. Why have rules if you just make up your own.

#43 Posted by Example1013 (4834 posts) -

@Totori said:

@Dagbiker said:

@Totori said:

video game website guys

off topic

hand jobs

auto-erotic asphyxiation

#44 Posted by AngelN7 (2970 posts) -

@Wrighteous86 said:

@AngelN7: What purpose is any thread about video games then?

To talk about videogames? not to make fun of videogames I'm sure , and I'm not in the postion to say what the threads someone like writes are for I don't bully/troll people.

#45 Posted by Totori (559 posts) -
@Example1013 said:

@Totori said:

@Dagbiker said:

@Totori said:

video game website guys

off topic

hand jobs

auto-erotic asphyxiation

Muppet porn
#46 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

I'll leave this here, in case things actually do go in that direction.

#47 Posted by Example1013 (4834 posts) -

@Totori said:

@Example1013 said:

@Totori said:

@Dagbiker said:

@Totori said:

video game website guys

off topic

hand jobs

auto-erotic asphyxiation

Muppet porn

Jeff/Ryan fan fic

#48 Posted by DuskVamp (681 posts) -

@AngelN7 said:

Those threads don't serve any porpuse other than entertaiment material, for every couple of "advices" from these so called 'socially adept' dudes , there are 10 "fake your own death/touch her shoulder" comments.

Usually from the mod in question..

#49 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3820 posts) -

@AngelN7: Then why is there a sub-forum? My point is, everything has a purpose to specific people. And I actually like Jay, I was just commenting on how people take his threads, usually.

#50 Posted by Nottle (1917 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

@Totori said:

video game website guys

off topic

Yes, there is an off topic place for a reason, guess what may be good to talk about there?

"Video game website guys" is a lame excuse unless you also want to stop people from talking about Prometheus, or "what is your favorite cartoon?"