" I'm assuming KISW is doing this? I'll have to tune in if I decide to go anywhere today. "Yeah, Jolene posted something about it yesterday, but all the DJs are doing it. I haven't gotten to listen but sounds like it's basically grunge day on KISW.
RIP Kurt and Layne
Cobain's influence wasn't as great as everyone likes to think.
Imma listen to some Mudhoney instead because they were doing what Kurt way earlier and way better.
I've actually only recently discovered Alice in Chains, and I like a lot of what I hear (though the new singer is pretty lackluster) and I was always a bigger fan of Pearl Jam than Nirvana (our generation's Beatles/Stones), but I still recognize the impact he had on music and on a lot of very frustrated teens' lives. Having been one myself, I can certainly empathize. RIP indeed.
this" @Bocam: I suppose you weren't there when it happened. It was one of those cultural moments that kind of sent shockwaves throughout our society, much like people of previous generations talk about where they were when Kennedy was shot, this was more or less the same deal for many people in April of 1994. It really can't be expressed adequately in words how surreal it all felt at the time, or how much Kurt's death in particular more or less killed what momentum grunge as genre had left. After Kurt died, it more or less just ended. It was like everyone was riding a weird high for two years or so and then sobriety kicked our collective teeth in. I'm sure someone else would want to disagree, but honestly, that's what I remember from it. "
i remember everything about the day Kurt died.
I recently watch a documentary about Kurt's life. Pretty interesting. I wish I could remember what it was called.
I was a young-un of the 90s though. I didn't realize how great these bands were until just a few years ago. I think Guitar Hero 3 actually started my love of Pearl Jam since Even Flow was part of the setlist. Ever since then they've been my favorite band and I've listened to so many of their live albums, it's ridiculous. I'm glad they're still around and making great. Too bad about Kurt and Layne, though. They made some great music as well.
I was going to contribute to this thread, but I'd rather not. There are a lot of dumb fucks in here.
This song still gives me chills.
Also, here's my namesake. I'm guessing it will at least be appreciated in this thread, even if it's only tangentially related.
EDIT: And before I get too spammy, here's Layne after Alice in Chains when he was in a band called Mad Season.
" @KingWilly said:1. It's not only the popular opinion of people from 27-31. That's ridiculous." @blueduck said:So a thread about the cultural impact of their deaths isn't the place to discuss the cultural impact of their death? As I was pointing out it's only popular opinion to people who are 27-31, white, and from the middle class of America. Nice use of the word contrarian by the way! "" @KingWilly said:Alright buddy, I understand it's rather popular to be contrarian in regards to cultural events and the popular opinion surrounding them, but this isn't really the place for it. "" @blueduck said:Not really an "entire generation" more like anyone is currently 27-31, white, and middle class. "" @KingWilly said:I meant no offense. I am not going to sit here and tell someone one life was worth more than another, either. I was only trying to illustrate for someone who wasn't there how much of an impact that news had on an entire generation of people. "" @Bocam: I suppose you weren't there when it happened. It was one of those cultural moments that kind of sent shockwaves throughout our society, much like people of previous generations talk about where they were when Kennedy was shot, this was more or less the same deal for many people in April of 1994. It really can't be expressed adequately in words how surreal it all felt at the time, or how much Kurt's death in particular more or less killed what momentum grunge as genre had left. After Kurt died, it more or less just ended. It was like everyone was riding a weird high for two years or so and then sobriety kicked our collective teeth in. I'm sure someone else would want to disagree, but honestly, that's what I remember from it. "Linking Kurt Cobain's death to the assassination of Kennedy is insulting. "
Im a fan of a few Nirvana songs, but yeah. Doing a bit of research into Kurt as a person shows he was a vain child and suicide was just part of his fame scheme. Its cool if you wanna buy into it. Bah-ah-ah-ah-ah. But I don't intend to deify the guy. It was a good band. So was Blind Melon. I'd rather celebrate Shannon Hoon for not intentionally killing himself for fame's sake like a little bitch. He died living. Why not celebrate people like that?
" While I like both bands, I don't see why their deaths should be treated as anything special "Maybe because they are legends in the music industry?
Hyperbole's fun isn't it? It may be because I'm from Washington, but a Hell of alot of people know who Kurt Cobain is, and almost all of them aren't 27-31 white, and middle class. More like Mixed race 14-38 and lower class ot upper middle class. Say what you will, Kurt Cobain did leave a huge mark in the collective social memory. Hell, places like Spencers and Hot Topic still sell Nirvana merch. Be it to "posers" or whatever, it shows that dem youngins are well aware of Nirvana. Shit, not only do specialty shops like HT and Spencers carry their merch, I've seen it at stores like Target and Khols. So maybe you should stop laying into kingwilly, he was just trying to illustrate a point by using a rather poorly selected comparison. And maybe just maybe you should leave this thread alone, it's clear you aren't a fan of Nirvana and Kurt, which is cool, honestly I only like some of their stuff, but you're upsetting the fans who are here to pay respect to musicians who met an unfortunate and untimely end due to their stupid choices. So, I guess I'm saying you should leave, sorry if I've offended you in any way." @KingWilly said:
" @blueduck said:Not really an "entire generation" more like anyone is currently 27-31, white, and middle class. "" @KingWilly said:I meant no offense. I am not going to sit here and tell someone one life was worth more than another, either. I was only trying to illustrate for someone who wasn't there how much of an impact that news had on an entire generation of people. "" @Bocam: I suppose you weren't there when it happened. It was one of those cultural moments that kind of sent shockwaves throughout our society, much like people of previous generations talk about where they were when Kennedy was shot, this was more or less the same deal for many people in April of 1994. It really can't be expressed adequately in words how surreal it all felt at the time, or how much Kurt's death in particular more or less killed what momentum grunge as genre had left. After Kurt died, it more or less just ended. It was like everyone was riding a weird high for two years or so and then sobriety kicked our collective teeth in. I'm sure someone else would want to disagree, but honestly, that's what I remember from it. "Linking Kurt Cobain's death to the assassination of Kennedy is insulting. "
AiC have been my fave band forever. When I saw the Much Loud Layne Staley tribute show, I actually cried. AiC were such a huge part of my teenage years I was immensely saddened for him, having wasted his life and immense talent on Heroin, and was saddened for his band mates because of the loss of their best friend. Never in my life will I find a band that means as much to me as AiC did, and still does actually.
I must say after reading these posts, there are some massively cool and intelligent people on this site. Seems like a lot of us are around the same age range and appreciate music from our generation. Glad to see so many of us that respect and appreciate the awesomeness that is Alice in Chains and the impact both bands had on music in general. Proud to be a G-Bomb member I am!
" RIP Kurt Cobain, Green Day was one of the best bands of all time ""I don't wanna be an American Idiot" - Kurt Cobain RIP
Cobain was a hack who wrote bad music. I mean, sure, congratulations to him and Nirvana for killing the careers of Debbie Gibson, New Kids on the Block, and the other 100 shitty artists of the time. At the same time, having grown up during grunge, I can safely say that Nirvana was fucking terrible.
White, middle aged people can hardly be described as an entire generation.I meant no offense. I am not going to sit here and tell someone one life was worth more than another, either. I was only trying to illustrate for someone who wasn't there how much of an impact that news had on an entire generation of people.
Nonetheless, RIP to both of these musicians, them and Jimi Hendrix are perhaps the best things to come out of Washington state.
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