What if paper money is going to go all digital? will u support it

Considering virtually all my money is digital at this point, and I rarely have cash on me, I wouldn't oppose this.

"  @StaticFalconar: that's the interesting point i'm trying to make, is it worth trading our human rights, liberties, privacy for more financial security and control? I want other ppl to think about that very point. "

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"  @StaticFalconar: that's the interesting point i'm trying to make, is it worth trading our human rights, liberties, privacy for more financial security and control? I want other ppl to think about that very point. "

the only ones that will agree to such a system are the ones that don't feel they have financial security and control, much like the double talk of agreeing with the patriot act or else you are a terrorist.     Seriously unless they don't teach US history anymore, the right to bare arms is not to defend against the home robber, but against the government and its own army by having the right for a revolution.  "

thi@example1013: maybe during martial law before they propose the RFID solution, they take over. FEMA isn't fighting the army, your fighting the government, it's them vs you. Don't let the names confuse you,

 The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is an agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security, initially created by Presidential Order on 1 April 1979. The primary purpose of FEMA is to coordinate the response to a disaster that has occurred in the United States and that overwhelms the resources of local and state authorities. The governor of the state in which the disaster occurs must declare a state of emergency and formally request from the president that FEMA and the federal government respond to the disaster.

FEMA under Department of Homeland Security (2003–present)

President George W. Bush signs the Homeland Security Appropriations Act of 2004

Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Congress passed the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which created the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to better coordinate among the different federal agencies that deal with law enforcement, disaster preparedness and recovery, border protection and civil defense. FEMA was absorbed into DHS in 2003. As a result, FEMA became part of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate of Department of Homeland Security, and employs more than 2,600 full time employees.

 

 

 

 

  this was what katrina looked like, see any troops? Why is FEMA all troops? Well they took over at 2003 and they will be there if there is civil unrest. Now let's get back on topic. Did you know canadian troops are hired to be there if there was unrest in the u.s and an uprising? So while you think i'm not american, our troops are going to be there if there was an uprising, they contracted off the work to a bit of our troops too. The difference is the military is more co-ordinated and has better tactics, also artillery. RFID or FEMA camps, that's my point.

" @example1013: maybe during martial law before they propose the RFID solution, they take over. FEMA isn't fighting the army, your fighting the government, it's them vs you. Don't let the names confuse you,

 The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is an agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security, initially created by Presidential Order on 1 April 1979. The primary purpose of FEMA is to coordinate the response to a disaster that has occurred in the United States and that overwhelms the resources of local and state authorities. The governor of the state in which the disaster occurs must declare a state of emergency and formally request from the president that FEMA and the federal government respond to the disaster.

let's say the RFID situation was a national emergency, they declared martial law and require ppl to use the RFID chip. FEMA is now incharge and the united nations. The revolution you talked about are just a bunch of gun owners, they can't win.

They changed FEMA role in 2003, but I feel you don't understand what i'm trying to say. You just don't get it and I don't know what your point is either. I've actually seen these ppl training in your neigbourhoods in videos for an uprising, but we are getting way too off topics.

 

FEMA under Department of Homeland Security (2003–present)

President George W. Bush signs the Homeland Security Appropriations Act of 2004

Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Congress passed the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which created the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to better coordinate among the different federal agencies that deal with law enforcement, disaster preparedness and recovery, border protection and civil defense. FEMA was absorbed into DHS in 2003. As a result, FEMA became part of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate of Department of Homeland Security, and employs more than 2,600 full time employees.

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" @example1013: no soliders swore an oath to protect their country, they will not revolt against their government if they wanted to implant RFID, they will work directly with the government. My point is they are already breifed on all of this, they already practiced most of their drills already as I posted. They aren't going to fight themselves, they are part of the system. "

I kinda read the thread title "What if paper Mario is going to go all digital?" but I was wondering why you kept talking about economy for so long >.<

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Section 1.  Council of Governors.

(a)	There is established a Council of Governors (Council). The Council shall consist of 10 State Governors appointed by the President (Members), of whom no more than five shall be of the same political party. The term of service for each Member appointed to serve on the Council shall be 2 years, but a Member may be reappointed for additional terms.
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(a)	matters involving the National Guard of the various States;
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Cash is for beggars and thieves!

Fucking hate cash!

" @example1013: disolve congress, that's my point. Then the national guard will be transfered over to FEMA control. Congress already knows about this, some are angry about it btw. If you don't believe me read the bill yourself

 Establishment of the Council of Governors bill

 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13528

 

Establishment of the Council of Governors

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1822 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 ( Public Law 110-181), and in order to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State governments to protect our Nation and its people and property, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1.  Council of Governors.

(a)	There is established a Council of Governors (Council). The Council shall consist of 10 State Governors appointed by the President (Members), of whom no more than five shall be of the same political party. The term of service for each Member appointed to serve on the Council shall be 2 years, but a Member may be reappointed for additional terms.
(b)	The President shall designate two Members, who shall not be members of the same political party, to serve as Co-Chairs of the Council.

 

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I don't think he gets it, how easily his government can change. If there was food riots and inflation triping the prices of everything including gas, they can issue martial law, putting all these executive orders in effect before they roll out the RFID digitlal currency chip idea for my thread. It's entirely possible.

But enough about him not reading my post and replying, what do you think about digital currrency? as a solution?

" I don't think he gets it, how easily his government can change. If there was food riots and inflation triping the prices of everything including gas, they can issue martial law, putting all these executive orders in effect before they roll out the RFID digitlal currency chip idea for my thread. It's entirely possible. "

hell no cause then all my money would be taken away super easy when sony gets hacked...oh wait

paper money is a waste of money. it should all be digital or coins. the US needs $1 $5 $10 $20 coins to replace paper money.

Just give us all credit cards, why do we need a chip implanted in us for something we already have?

So long as the chip is organic and free range I'm in. Serious answer, who the fuck would agree to have a RFID chip implanted in their bodies, only in some totalitarian 1984 alternate universe. Also wouldn't that shit get infected?

NO. It's not just the concept of  a wholly digital currency but the idea of a totally manipulated and controlled money that scares me. Which is why I am against fiat, paper money anyway. Money must be independent, it must be NOT be manipulated for the benefit of political objectives. It is there for everyone to use, we all have a stake in our money. It must not be printed or debased by the few, which is why I believe in a money which is backed by Gold and Silver and free from artificial manipulation. Without a free and independent money, a nation can NEVER be free. You only have to look at the history of the USD over this past century and the freedoms and liberties within the US. The more manipulated and debased the dollar has become the worse the society finds itself in. This is no coincidence. Money is the ultimate medium of exchange, it governs much of our daily lives.

Back on point though, a wholly digital currency would allow for easier manipulation by the govt (which isn't saying much since it's all too easy nowadays). It places more control into central government and allows for a more "controlled" society. Effectively it takes power away from the people. And that's before we get to social liberty problems such as tracking etc.

" So long as the chip is organic and free range I'm in. Serious answer, who the fuck would agree to have a RFID chip implanted in their bodies, only in some totalitarian 1984 alternate universe. Also wouldn't that shit get infected? "

You assume people care enough. Alas, they don't. Most are apathetic on such issues, many are just plain idiots and some positively welcome a more "controlled" society where the govt is supreme overseer, it means they don't need to think for themselves.

But in reality, for an RFID chip scheme to succeed it will only do so if the people want it. And the people are only going to want it if other alternatives have been tried and failed, therefore leaving them no choice. Put it like this, a starving man is a desperate man prepared to do things he otherwise never would. 

No, and if it came down to it I would put a gun in my mouth before anyone puts me in a camp.

Also, completely off topic, but it's "people" not ppl.

Well we didn't do anything about the TSA, yeah I think americans are conditioned now for that kind of absolute control. We gave up our freedom in the name of security so easily, what else will they give up in the name of security, or financial security. I really think the american ppl might go for it.

As benjamin franklin said, 

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

I will not support digital money.

Did Nanomachines teach us ANYTHING? If it exists within the digital realm with no physical object to which it can be controlled by you, someone else can and will control it. "Oh, the economy is in a mess so you have a spending capacity of under $500 a month now." ID Tagged money, ID Tagged citizens. Sooner or later our money will be monitored and regulated, which will lead to us being monitored and regulated. They will have full economic control. Full citizen control. Full control over the banks, the large corporations, the government, the press. Full control over war itself.

The human race has been about demonstrating our dominance, our power. Marking our territory and scaring off all the big dogs so we can keep it to ourselves. And it wasn't until we figured out, millions of millions of years ago, that we could use what we have to take things from others that we became a race hellbent on killing, destroying, and taking everything for ourselves. "We the people" is nothing but bullshit. It's just a cover that the government uses to mask their true intentions of taking what they want from who they want and killing who they want for their own personal gain. It's all greed, all money. Nothing else matters to them but money and war. And in a state where we are monitored and our money is regulated by them, what freedoms do we share than that of a common insect? At that point in time, our existence, our identity has no meaning and we are just a bunch of tools used to generate money for the well oiled war machine to keep on keeping on and killing and taking and using fear to strike into the hearts of our enemies as a reminder that if you attempt to bite the hand that feeds you, it will unleash a vengeance that you would never have imagined.

So you tell me. Do you support digital money?