" There is no question that the game is extremely unbalanced."

" @heatDrive88: I suppose what I really want is a game that's as fast as COD4/MW2 but actually makes teams play like team BF. "

No, there is none, but you're free to think otherwise. Its simple.

" ive seen level 3s matched up with lv 70 prestiges. "

" @Fosssil: You took the words right out of my mouth. Infinity Wards killstreak system and slippery slope gameplay are garbage. Also, am I the only person who thinks that the dog killstreak makes absolutely no fucking sense? "

The game is definitely unbalanced. There are some kits that are wayyy more effective than other kits. Just because everyone has access to all of the kits does not mean they are balanced, or that everyone is going to use the same load outs. Know what I mean? The guns, weapon addons, and perks have to be balanced against each other. The maps are mostly huge with a few exceptions making SMG's very underpowered in a lot of situations. The famous One-Man-Army/Nube Toob loadout is completely unfair. Etc etc. 
 
I hope you really wanted some good feedback and aren't just trolling. As for the whining, I don't whine, I just stop playing the game altogether. Problem Solved!

So if somebody runs around with the commando perk stabbing people from 5 feet away and gets a harrier jet that completely destroys everyone it's a balanced game? Don't make me laugh, this game isn't necessarily bad but it's the farthest thing from balanced.

easy way to combat commando....shotgun with grip

" The game is definitely unbalanced. There are some kits that are wayyy more effective than other kits. Just because everyone has access to all of the kits does not mean they are balanced, or that everyone is going to use the same load outs. Know what I mean? The guns, weapon addons, and perks have to be balanced against each other. The maps are mostly huge with a few exceptions making SMG's very underpowered in a lot of situations. The famous One-Man-Army/Nube Toob loadout is completely unfair. Etc etc.  I hope you really wanted some good feedback and aren't just trolling. As for the whining, I don't whine, I just stop playing the game altogether. Problem Solved! "

 @natetodamax: But if you get a killstreak with an M4 instead of a knife it's balanced and ok? That makes no sense. "

The only thing that really really bugs me is heartbeat sensors. It takes the element or surprise away if your opponent can get a reasonable guess on where you are. 
I think they should make it so coldblooded can't see a heartbeat. I think its stupid that you have to use 1 whole perk on not being seen by them.

I don't know that I'd say balance is the game's issue. There's nothing like Halo 2's Energy Sword that totally shifts the playing field in one direction or the other. That "Slippery Slope" argument presumes the losing player is not reacting and is continuing to use a failing tactic--say charging a enemy nest--that is resulting in the winning team racking up kills. Killstreaks are really easily countered and even more easily avoided, and the notion that "once you fall behind, you're stuck behind" is kind of ludicrous. A situation like that becomes dependent mostly on player skill and team coordination. 
 
I would be more willing to argue that the game's maps or the arbitrarily goofy spawn system or the dumb-ass matchmaking are serious faults of the design, but I'm pretty sure it's not an issue of balance. 
 
This, also, is not a game where you can (generally, speaking) run and gun with errant disregard for self-preservation. That's not a fault of the game design, it's a product of it. We're not playing Halo, where it takes half a Battle Rifle clip or two grenades to kill an opponent. We're playing a game where--literally--a single bullet to the head can and will kill you.

" @pplus0440:  What's the difference between 7-0 and 15-0? You're already getting completely dominated. If they're going to kill you at a rate of anything more than 1:1, you're going to lose TDM anyway. If anything, the killstreak will just end the game sooner so you can play with different people and better teams. Respawn issues yes, but goes both ways. "

OP has clearly not played many competitive games.

" @xobballox: I was talking generic Killstreaks. Not ones specific to MW2.  "

" @Fosssil: 

While I agree that in MW2 there’s a “slippery slope” effect, this is mainly due to players being unwilling to change what they are doing to match the environment they’re playing in. This is not a game imbalance by and large, just a lack of ability (or desire) to analyze and adapt. Should you hear that there’s an enemy AC-130 in the air, then get indoors. Every player regardless of skill or level can do this. When I have a pavelow, and it’s raping the other team, it’s because they just continued to run around outside with their shotguns.

In many ways, for games like TDM, the player that gets killed has the immediate advantage (albeit short term). They get to re-spawn AND they know when, where, and how they were killed. They at the very least have a body of information that for the most part cannot be obtained other than by dying.

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" The only thing that really really bugs me is heartbeat sensors. It takes the element or surprise away if your opponent can get a reasonable guess on where you are.  I think they should make it so coldblooded can't see a heartbeat. I think its stupid that you have to use 1 whole perk on not being seen by them. "

A forced adaptation in gameplay is a slippery slope. Whether or not a player behaves intelligently and conservatively when an enemy's killstreak is in effect is largely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if I'm running around in plain sight of a Chopper Gunner, or if I'm laying prone with Cold-Blooded and Ninja behind a stack of boxes inside some well-protected building; the game is still punishing me for not having as many (successive) kills as my opponent. If the opponent has a UAV to go along with that Chopper Gunner, then I'm only protected by Cold-Blooded and luck (assuming, of course, that I've achieved a high enough level to even have Cold-Blooded unlocked). The enemy team is able to run freely around the map thanks to the protection of their air support, and I'm huddled underneath the nearest roof hoping that no one finds and kills me while I wait out the storm. Such a tremendous advantage is hardly fair or balanced, especially when the other team did nothing particularly extraordinary to earn it.
 
As to your second point about players being given an advantage of knowledge as a result of death: that's a direct result of IW dumbing-down the game. The Killcam is just another method that they have employed to shrink the skill gap and shorten the learning curve for new players. Players should be forced to gather information about their opponents' location through awareness, communication with teammates, and a learned knowledge of the maps and spawn system. Being gifted with such valuable information as a reward for dying is just another reason why the game is so noob-friendly, and one of the many reasons why people decide to so frequently complain about it. "

First, I'm really enjoying your take on the game.  I believe, in it's most basic state, gameplay IS forced adaptation. If you are not reacting to changing circumstances... then where's the game?  If you're in a building because they have killstreaks and a UAV in the air, then really the advantage is yours. There's now limited number of spots where they are going to come at you from. You ALREADY KNOW that they will either walk through the door and try to kill you, or they won't and they're killstreak will end and you will survive. "

The preset classes are all you ever need really.

If the opponent has a UAV to go along with that Chopper Gunner, then I'm only protected by Cold-Blooded and luck"  How do you "adapt" to that exactly? "

" @crunchUK said:

If the opponent has a UAV to go along with that Chopper Gunner, then I'm only protected by Cold-Blooded and luck"  How do you "adapt" to that exactly? "

Well cold-blooded will "generally" protect you from the chopper gunner (they won't see you very easily), and completely from the UAV... So I guess by adapt I mean that if you're used to using stopping power... you'll have to shoot one extra bullet that hits him.  If anything, with cold-blooded, they'll need protection from you since they'll assume that the chopper is killing everyone outside, and their UAV won't pick you up and they'll run around assuming the streets are clear.  It's just NOT a balance issue. It's too easy to counter. People don't, that's why it's a slippery slope. "

" @kenya24 said:

" @crunchUK said:

If the opponent has a UAV to go along with that Chopper Gunner, then I'm only protected by Cold-Blooded and luck"  How do you "adapt" to that exactly? "

Well cold-blooded will "generally" protect you from the chopper gunner (they won't see you very easily), and completely from the UAV... So I guess by adapt I mean that if you're used to using stopping power... you'll have to shoot one extra bullet that hits him.  If anything, with cold-blooded, they'll need protection from you since they'll assume that the chopper is killing everyone outside, and their UAV won't pick you up and they'll run around assuming the streets are clear.  It's just NOT a balance issue. It's too easy to counter. People don't, that's why it's a slippery slope. "

But that relies on the who knows factor of me having cold blooded equipped though, you can't adapt since the way to adapt is reliant on inherent gameplay characteristics.   What your'e saying is that a piss easy yet dominate all setup can be countered by camping... possibly. That isn't balance, at all. "

But that relies on the who knows factor of me having cold blooded equipped though, you can't adapt since the way to adapt is reliant on inherent gameplay characteristics.   What your'e saying is that a piss easy yet dominate all setup can be countered by camping... possibly. That isn't balance, at all. "

I have played this game sense release and ive come with 2 conclusion
 
1. the spawn system is broken it should read enemy player proximity
2. if you can  change your class and get good at smg/assault rifles and snipers there is no team you cant beat.
 
sure i have been killed by many knifers but I have murdered many with 2-3 bullets from my Scar or tar or spaz or anything that shoots really. this game really requires you to react really fast in order to make it balance work. Hay if the team is all snipers and your having trouble getting to them that is what the newbtoob for if people are noobtoobing spread apart and pick them of from diffrent angles. its not a hard game it just requires a bit more addaptation than RAWR I CANT PLAYZ HOWS I WANTZZZ!!!!!111!!1!!! its imbalance!!!11!! its just a fact if you try to snipe in rust you will fail same if you dont check your corners and get knife. check your corners and play smart youll do better this isnt halo with shields this is 3 shots your dead so make it count yo!

Well Deathmatch aside, I will just say that until they actually give people incentive to play objective maps the way they are supposed to be played (this includes not being able to use the nuke) I will not be playing.

" I have played this game sense release and ive come with 2 conclusion  1. the spawn system is broken it should read enemy player proximity 2. if you can  change your class and get good at smg/assault rifles and snipers there is no team you cant beat.  sure i have been killed by many knifers but I have murdered many with 2-3 bullets from my Scar or tar or spaz or anything that shoots really. this game really requires you to react really fast in order to make it balance work. Hay if the team is all snipers and your having trouble getting to them that is what the newbtoob for if people are noobtoobing spread apart and pick them of from diffrent angles. its not a hard game it just requires a bit more addaptation than RAWR I CANT PLAYZ HOWS I WANTZZZ!!!!!111!!1!!! its imbalance!!!11!! its just a fact if you try to snipe in rust you will fail same if you dont check your corners and get knife. check your corners and play smart youll do better this isnt halo with shields this is 3 shots your dead so make it count yo! "

i don't understand why people keep posting these threads.

" i don't understand why people keep posting these threads. "