@onarum: That is a bizarre world view to have. Have you somehow missed how vile the internet in general has been this past time, especially on Twitter? If anything it is the exact opposite of what you say, and people now don't realize that their heinous shitslinging and threats online have real meaning to real people. The only world we seem to be in course for is one where everyone yells at the top of their lungs and feel no remorse for behaving like assholes to anyone.
Paranautical Activity
Game » consists of 7 releases. Released Oct 20, 2014
An indie action game for PC, Mac, and Linux that melds fast-paced first-person shooting with the random levels and permanent death of roguelikes.
Developer Threatens Gabe Newell, Valve Removes Game From Steam [UPDATED]
Hot pro tip: Don't threaten people who have the power to make you lose a lot of money.
Human decency tip: Don't threaten people.
Honestly ... no matter if he just was blowing hot air or not ... we need to start seeing people getting punished for stuff like this. I don't care if it was just a joke gone wrong or an angry moment, you just don't do something like this and should be prepared for the consequences. As far as I understand he didn't even try to apologize yet.
That's just it. He was punished, his game was taken off steam. That doesn't mean we need to make a article about him on every gaming website and demonize him for being a terrible person who threatened another humans life, because in all honesty, does anyone actually think he meant what he tweeted? Yes, he is an asshole for not apologizing, but that doesn't mean he had any intent of doing what he tweeted.
There is an old saying a lot of people have forgotten these days. "Talk is cheap." Saying something doesn't make it so, and not everything everyone says should be taken seriously. That doesn't make it okay, but that does mean we need to stop going crazy over someone saying something dumb in a fit of angry frustration. Something I bet we are all actually guilty of doing at some point.
Maybe you're right. I just disagree with this bizarre public shaming of him and want to stick up for the guy because someone needs to.
I think it's important to point out once more that he is the one who made Valve's private email response publicly available. Valve almost certainly would have just pulled the game and that would be that. In fact, that's exactly what they did. He certainly has the right to tell his side of the story, but in doing so he also accepts the risk that he's going to incriminate himself, and that's exactly what this guy has done.
Thought that's not to say I necessarily agree with people bombarding him with shit for it. They're not really any better, no.
It's kinda why I do take a littttle bit of issue with this one part from @patrickklepek's article:
Would this have been quietly dealt with privately in another kind of environment? Possibly. But we don't live in that environment right now.
Again, this guy (the one who committed the offense) is the party who continued to make this public; besides (quietly) pulling the game from the store, Valve has dealt with this matter entirely privately and quietly as far as I can tell.
Now, would any news sites have noticed if dude hadn't continued to blow up? No way to know that of course, but games getting pulled from Steam entirely is rare enough that I think it would have been at least noticed regardless of environment, and the flashpoint of the whole thing was quite obviously inherently public regardless.
No mention of this guy being 20 years old, no mention of the fact that a valuable indie talent has been wiped from history over what should have been a minor speed bump. I think Valve really needs to take scale into consideration here. This isn't EA or Ubisoft with a massive PR team, this is 5 guys. I think Valve should show some grace and charity given the circumstances. "Shoulda known better" is a little harsh for what should amount to a visit to the principal's office. This guy is just a kid, a baby.
This open letter mirrors my thoughts on the matter http://i.imgur.com/1yIciRH.png
and this article http://wethenerdy.com/mike-maulbeck-vs-valve-whos-guilty/
Oh to hell with that.
This isn't a teenager who swore in class, he should be more than old enough to realize that you cannot spectacularly explode at the company advertising and selling your game without facing serious repercussions, especially with all of the other shit going on in the industry at the moment.
Truth. But if you're not named Gabe and you're piling on to give this guy shit about what he obviously knows was a dumb thing to do, you might just be a piece of shit.
Even if this guy is unstable or whatever, that doesn't change the fact that thousands of people getting at him telling him what a piece of shit he is is bullying. Plain and simple. It's cowardly, and it serves no point outside making you feel good for stepping on someone. Fucking internet mob mentality is the worst thing in the world and it's not any better if the victim is a scumbag.
And to be clear, I'm not using "you" to refer to you specifically, it's the general "you".
@onarum: There's a big difference between yelling at your little brother in person and tweeting about someone who's essentially your boss.
- The only audience is your brother vs the entire world on twitter
- Your brother knows you where as this guy is essentially a stranger to Gabe. He doesn't know he was just venting
- Your pay check doesn't depend on your little brother. If I yelled "I'm going to kill my boss" at my boss or even in ear shot I'd be out of a job no matter where I work
All in all, this guy is blacklisted and the media (this article) is saying that is a valid response to this behavior. I don't know if I agree.
It's absolutely valid. Steam is a privately owned store, it's their right to choose what products they do and do not want to sell. Nobody has a right to sell things on their store. Believing otherwise is over-entitlement to the point of absurdity. If I was running Steam, I would have stopped carrying his games for the "incompetent" comment alone. If you want to criticize my business, that's fine, but don't expect that you get to do that and still have your products carried by my store.
Note that there's also a downside for Steam which is that they no longer make revenue from selling his product - though that's obviously a teeny drop in the bucket for them.
Great job Valve, you ended a promising young career because of one silly mistake. Win for the SJWs! Now let's all go buy some hats and other Valve micro transactions!
Also last year "Scoops" said everyone who uses Adblock should "die in a fire". Maybe his career should be ruined also.
By whom, us? He didn't state it towards someone at a higher authoritative position than he is like this Mike person did, so who exactly would ruin his career in your scenario?
Great job Valve, you ended a promising young career because of one silly mistake. Win for the SJWs! Now let's all go buy some hats and other Valve micro transactions!
Also last year "Scoops" said everyone who uses Adblock should "die in a fire". Maybe his career should be ruined also.
By whom, us? He didn't state it towards someone at a higher authoritative position than he is like this Mike person did, so who exactly would ruin his career in your scenario?
That wasen't his point, hes just stating how easy it is to say something dumb without thinking about context or situation.
Most business partnerships involve a phone number, or an email, and a representative. Case in point: Indie Game the Movie when Team Meat angrily pens a not-so-angry email to their rep on launch day.
The fact that Twitter rants are not aimed at one person is worse, not better, than screaming your head off at a single human being, trying to do their job. It's like standing outside of their office looking like a madman throwing tennis balls at the windows.
That wasen't his point, hes just stating how easy it is to say something dumb without thinking about context or situation.
It being easy doesn't make it a "silly mistake" as opposed to something more significant. A lot of things can be deemed "silly mistakes", but that doesn't make the repercussions of those actions unjust. It's called self-control, especially in a case like this where one's flying off the handle because of the pettiest of reasons.
That wasen't his point, hes just stating how easy it is to say something dumb without thinking about context or situation.
It being easy doesn't make it a "silly mistake" as opposed to something more significant. A lot of things can be deemed "silly mistakes", but that doesn't make the repercussions of those actions unjust. It's called self-control, especially in a case like this where you're flying off the handle because of the pettiest of reasons.
I agree, its just a shame and from my point of view its like watching a car crash with life changing repercussions, i guess i just feel for the guy a bit is all.
@blupotato: I've learned to stop myself before posting a comment or a forum reply and think, "Is this going to bring anything to the discussion?" and it turns out half the time the answer is no, so I delete it and move on. I'd like to think more people do this but I'm probably too optimistic.
For example, I'd like to respond to the people attempting to somehow defend his actions and lament his probable exit from game development, but it's not going to go anywhere.
@sanity: Yeah, I'd take that kind of stupid inclusion on a business card as a joke. It's not a very good joke, I'll give you that.
Great job Valve, you ended a promising young career because of one silly mistake. Win for the SJWs! Now let's all go buy some hats and other Valve micro transactions!
Also last year "Scoops" said everyone who uses Adblock should "die in a fire". Maybe his career should be ruined also.
A death threat is not a silly mistake. A death threat meant as a joke is not even a silly mistake. Especially when broadcast out into the internet ether.
Perhaps you could not resist making a dig at the so-called "SJW"s but this is nothing to do with political correctness. I am often on to point out the "slippery slope" of PC thinking to my friends and family, but I can see clearly that this has nothing to do with political correctness, social justice, feminism, et al. The guy made a public, pointed death threat. He made his own bed on this one.
You don't like crude humor much do you?
I am sorry to keep replying to your posts on this, but I really wanted to point something out:
Many GB users just finished several days in discussion threads made in part to help educate people on how many industry people make the video game industry a toxic, sexist, and (this is an actual quote) terrifying place for women. How on earth does this guy's actions deserve a free pass? I for one would probably not catch myself before chuckling at the Pornhub link "joke", but I would immediately then sigh and say "THAT'S FUCKED UP."
Another great day for video games.
...and during sunshine and smiles week, to boot.
No problems with this. It's actually super refreshing to see someone held accountable to the bile they produce on social media, especially after the last few weeks.
@whitegreyblack: I don't think this guy deserves a free pass. I don't think he's getting a free pass.
I also don't think he deserves having his email twitter and pornhub id displayed here. Don't you agree that that is a little dangerous?
@spraynardtatum: As someone who has had many a problem with flying off the handle on the Internet—on these very fucking forums even—it has nothing to do with not doing anything wrong online. No one is saying you can't make a mistake or do something you later regret. It's about being professional in a work context. Would you want to work with someone who got so angry that you made a mistake that they went on a furious public tirade that ended with them threatening to kill you? I sure as hell wouldn't. If this is his response to having promotional materials mislabeled when it was corrected within an hour, what would his response be to a more serious issue down the line if it came up?
When is Gabe Newell ever going to work with this guy personally? Ever?
Gabe Newell doesn't vet the games on Steam and he wouldn't have vetted this game, they never would have worked together anyways.
This guy is now blacklisted for a dumb tweet and that seems to be what a majority of people think is the correct decision. I disagree. I feel that looking at these worthless tweets doesn't come close to giving me a good impression of who Maulbeck is and should not be a defining factor of if this developer is allowed to participate in the workforce. He's passionate and wants the best for his creation. I find that to be an enviable quality in a co-worker. I would work with someone who would say something like this on the internet. Patrick Klepek has made an empty death threat to anyone who uses AdBlock before. He told them to die in a fire. Should he have been blacklisted from games journalism for that remark?
Why does it matter if Gabe would be working with Maulbeck? It's admirable that you're trying to see his good qualities in all this, but the fact remains that the tweets (and that petulant apology he issued too, frankly) speak a ton about his character, especially with regards how he conducts himself in a professional environment. When something goes wrong and he doesn't get what he wants, he goes on a public tirade against the store selling his game and threatens to murder the owner. Why would they want to work with someone as unstable as that? What happens if something actually goes wrong - is he going to threaten to burn the place down with everyone inside if they're late on a royalty payment? Hell, what if he's actually crazy enough to try and kill Gabe? I really can't see how you can fault Valve for not wanting to work with a diva indie developer who throws nasty temper tantrums. Nor can I see why you think this guy is the consequences of this dude not thinking before opening his mouth are somehow unjust treatment, unless you really believe in the right to tell someone on the internet you're going to kill them.
PS: That's quite a false equivalency you got going there bringing up Patrick. Of course, saying that people who do X should die, while pretty douchey, is in nowhere near the same league as singling out a person and saying you are going to murder them (which is a crime, by the way) but nice try.
@iamjohn: I feel for the guy who is experiencing what has probably been the worst day of his life. Sue me.
@asko25 said:
Many GB users just finished several days in discussion threads made in part to help educate people on how many industry people make the video game industry a toxic, sexist, and (this is an actual quote) terrifying place for women. How on earth does this guy's actions deserve a free pass? I for one would probably not catch myself before chuckling at the Pornhub link "joke", but I would immediately then sigh and say "THAT'S FUCKED UP."
Are you implying that women don't go on Pornhub? Because that suggestion is technically more sexist than what you're arguing against.
You MUST be kidding that that is your takeaway from my comment. I am not even going to engage you on this shit.
@whitegreyblack: I don't think this guy deserves a free pass. I don't think he's getting a free pass.
To me, trying to explain it away as "crude humor" is akin to trying to give him a pass. I can see the argument, but I do not agree with it.
Yes, I do agree that it is dangerous, and a bad idea.
@whitegreyblack: But you just did...?
Anyways, it's sad to see people from my home town behave like I know they would. The co-creator of the game issued an apology only to by followed up by someone linking this tweet from them. It's pretty ridiculous.
Im gonna say this, If it wasnt a monopoly there wouldnt be a problem. End of story.
— Master Vallisca (@Vallisca3x3x3) October 21, 2014
@extomar: It's kind of hard to ignore the fact that he made a mistake when the thread is 8 pages long. Of course he made a mistake. The worst mistake of his life I'd imagine.
The impression that I get is that this man has a history of being a thin-skinned hothead. He may be 20 years old, but the fact that he's retweeting the people defending his actions shows he hasn't learned anything. He only gets to chalk his bad behavior up to a lack of maturity after he's demonstrated that he's more mature now than he was when he screwed up. He's doing the opposite of that.
@chrissedoff: And we're all watching in judgement.
@devildoll: Yes, but making a finished game look like it's in early access is a pretty fucking incompetent thing to do, and it is a big deal, even if it's just for an hour.
I believe it was early access, and was supposed to go final at that date.
It wasn't a final release that got labled as early access, it was simply the transition from early access to final that didn't happen at the time mike thought it should have.
It's was a mistake, everyone makes those.
Calling steam "the most incompetent piece of fucking shit" over it is just hyperbolic.
@chilibean_3: It's not Twitters fault. But that doesn't mean it's not a bad thing.
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