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    Battlefield 3 won't support Windows XP or DirectX 9

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    #51  Edited By CL60
    @gike987 said:

    " Microsoft don't support XP anymore, XP is 10 years old. You don't expect to be able to run a game on 10 year old hardware so you shouldn't expect to run a game on a 10 years old OS. "

    It would be different if the games were actually incapable of running on XP, which they aren't. Not yet at least. They will eventually, but clearly not yet.
     
    @raiz265 said:

    " Breaking news, PS3 games don't work on a PS2. "


    Read above.
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    #52  Edited By Ryax

    so this game is also using frostbite? awesome. 3 bad companies! 

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    #53  Edited By Emilio
    @Korwin:  
    You are delirious.
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    #54  Edited By jimmy5150

    Microsoft itself will completely stop supporting XP in 2011 or 2012 (No patches, security updates, or anything), so it is really not surprising that software developers are jumping ship ahead of them.  Especially companies that develop resource-intensive games.

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    #55  Edited By monetarydread

    This is great news. There are a ton of great features in DX 10 that developers can`t use to develop games because of people using XP. Dice is doing the right thing by making dx 10 the minimum requirement.

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    #56  Edited By bunnyboiler
    @floodiastus said:
    " Running vista and DX11. Vista is the most stable OS ive run so far.  XP was total crap imho "
    Yeah I've never had a blue screen on Vista ever. On XP was a different story.....
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    #57  Edited By ISuperGamerI
    @Emilio said:
    " @ISuperGamerI said:
    " @Emilio said:
    " That sucks. But hey, its just Microsoft's plan to basically continue to destroy the PC video game industry and continue their half-assed attempts at console gaming. "
    What are you talking about? Windows 7 (and Vista on high end computers) are great operating systems. "
    At what part did I criticize their operating systems?  "
    You wrote "that sucks" what were you trying to say then?
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    #58  Edited By Aeterna

    Good, maybe they can optimize it even better then. :)

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    #59  Edited By hockeymask27

    Progress. Catch It!
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    #60  Edited By DG991

    Simply put: Good. 

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    #61  Edited By Emilio
    @ISuperGamerI said:
    " @Emilio said:
    " @ISuperGamerI said:
    " @Emilio said:
    " That sucks. But hey, its just Microsoft's plan to basically continue to destroy the PC video game industry and continue their half-assed attempts at console gaming. "
    What are you talking about? Windows 7 (and Vista on high end computers) are great operating systems. "
    At what part did I criticize their operating systems?  "
    You wrote "that sucks" what were you trying to say then? "
    Maybe I should have wrote: "That sucks + that it won't be available for XP users or DirectX 9 users." 
      
    Typing this on Vista, by the way...
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    #62  Edited By angelkanarias
    @Inzzy said:
    " @Mikemcn said:
    " I got Vista so, whatevs "
    I offer you my condolences.  "
    rofl 
     
     
    Anyways, that seems like a risk taking call for them.
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    #63  Edited By Djeffers03
    @Emilio: Dude just upgrade to Windows 7....
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    #64  Edited By Emilio
    @Djeffers03 said:
    " @Emilio: Dude just upgrade to Windows 7.... "
    Are you going to pay for my upgrade?
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    #65  Edited By empfeix
    @ch13696 said:

    " By the time it comes out, more than half of the PC owners are going to run Vista or 7. You know what I should do a poll. "

    poll finished. that was easy :D 
     
    http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
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    #66  Edited By RsistncE
    @litrock said:
    " If you're gaming seriously on a PC, you're probably running Windows 7 anyway. It's a nice operating system, well worth upgrading to. Tested agrees, if you want full on Whiskey justification. "
    I play all the latest games on my PC and I still run XP. Either way, by the time this game comes out I'll probably have a new computer anyways, so this isn't a huge issue anyways.
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    #67  Edited By gamb1t

    running vista but will have windows 7 by then anyways. plus new pc

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    #68  Edited By captain_clayman

    A.  if you're actually really into PC gaming you're probably running windows 7 already.  there's no excuse to be running an 8 year old OS on a gaming rig. 
     
    B. isn't the xbox based off of DX9 in the first place?  i wish this meant it was PC exclusive but i'm sure that's not the truth.

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    #69  Edited By Diamond
    @captain_clayman said:

    B. isn't the xbox based off of DX9 in the first place?

    As I said earlier in the thread, no, it's not.  It's mostly DX9, but it has unlimited shader lengths and some other features that go beyond DX9 features.  Thus, to port shaders directly from 360 to PC you'd need at least DX10 (that is, if you're being efficient).
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    #70  Edited By Djeffers03
    @Emilio: It's been 10 years since XP came out, Im sure that's enough time to accumulate $100 for an important update.
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    #71  Edited By pweidman

    So not surprising, and good news really.  Frostbite deserves the newest of tools.
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    #72  Edited By korwin
    @Emilio said:
    " @Korwin:  You are delirious. "
    Not really... just pointing out how people could easily make the assumption.
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    #73  Edited By TheManiacsGnome

      Windows XP 64 bit
    March 0.59%
    April 0.66%
    May 0.57%
    June 0.60%

    July0.60%


    +/-  0.00% 
     
    I've heard of ways that 32 bit XP users can address more then 3gb of ram but I'm not sure if they actually work. But I thought the XP 64 bit numbers were interesting since more then likely they are the only ones with the hardware to run BF3. 
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    #74  Edited By WilliamRLBaker
    @Emilio said:
    " That sucks. But hey, its just Microsoft's plan to basically continue to destroy the PC video game industry and continue their half-assed attempts at console gaming. "
    ~_* except its activisions decision to support xp or not...not microsoft...all the relevent support for dx9 and xp are out there...Activision chooses not too...
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    I'm glad that they're leaving behind far obsolete systems, that's the thing that often holds back PC games and causes problems (I'm looking at you Valve).

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    #76  Edited By ScottishGamer
    damn.....   :( 
     
    Well I suppose I have plenty of time to upgrade to Windows 7! 
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    #77  Edited By VACkillers

    I wont give a shit about this so long as there is AI and BOT support for LAN and SKirmish battles, if not, then dice can go fuck em selves as i haven't bought a single bf game after the absolute mess they left with battlefield 2, waiting for practicly 2 years for dice to release the nav meshies, the community saved this game from going right into the shitter in march of the following year it was released.

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    #78  Edited By Black_Raven

    Good, It's great they are focusing on new versions of the API.

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    #79  Edited By blake5200
     @Emilio said:
    " That sucks. But hey, its just Microsoft's plan to basically continue to destroy the PC video game industry and continue their half-assed attempts at console gaming. "
    how is it's Microsoft fault that DICE isn't supporting xp.
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    #80  Edited By mikemcn
    @VACkillers said:
    " I wont give a shit about this so long as there is AI and BOT support for LAN and SKirmish battles, if not, then dice can go fuck em selves as i haven't bought a single bf game after the absolute mess they left with battlefield 2, waiting for practicly 2 years for dice to release the nav meshies, the community saved this game from going right into the shitter in march of the following year it was released. "
    Why don't you like online Multiplayer? Battlefield has never been a Bot game.
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    #81  Edited By n00bosaurusRex
    @ShadowSkill11 said:
    " OH no! Does that mean it won't run on my 486 DX2 running Windows Millennium either?! That is BULLSHIT!!!! "
    hah!
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    #82  Edited By MrKlorox

    Well I hope they optimize DX10 MUCH MUCH MUCH more than they have in BC2. DX9 always runs so much better than DX10, and the gap is even greater in BC2 than most games.

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    #83  Edited By meteora

    I'm cool with that, Windows 7 is the best OS Microsoft has put out. Ever. Its about time developers move forward with technology than stick with a OS that's 10 years old. Windows XP feels so goddamn old and clunky, why would anyone bother to run that OS anymore? The game will probably not come out in 1-2 years anyways, plenty of time to upgrade to a updated OS.
      

     
      
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    #84  Edited By Emilio
    @blake5200 said:
    "  @Emilio said:
    " That sucks. But hey, its just Microsoft's plan to basically continue to destroy the PC video game industry and continue their half-assed attempts at console gaming. "
    how is it's Microsoft fault that DICE isn't supporting xp. "
    What? You don't know? Jeez... where have you been, man?
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    #85  Edited By JeffEater
    @ISuperGamerI said:
    " @Emilio said:
    " That sucks. But hey, its just Microsoft's plan to basically continue to destroy the PC video game industry and continue their half-assed attempts at console gaming. "
    What are you talking about? Windows 7 (and Vista on high end computers) are great operating systems. "
    True. The only reason XP existed while Vista was out was because well.... Vista sucks :(
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    #86  Edited By BounceDK

    DX9 = 100+ FPS
    DX10 = 40 FPS
     
    What the fuck is wrong with developers?
     
    They better use DX11 better than previous attempts, it's so much faster than DX10 but still far behind DX9. Online shooters are all about FPS, not graphics.
     
    Oh and a new Battlefield already? Why bother buying this when a new one is coming out a year later? .............. Backfire milking.

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    #87  Edited By Subjugation

    I'm floored that people are still running XP ... 
    I'm pretty strapped for cash and even I have Win7 by now. No excuses.

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    #88  Edited By Th3_James

    if you plan on playing bf3 on pc your gonna have decent graphics hardware and a current os.

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    #89  Edited By sodiumCyclops
    @weeman105 said:
    " I'm floored that people are still running XP ... I'm pretty strapped for cash and even I have Win7 by now. No excuses. "
    A lot of people who stick with XP are in the idiotic mindset of 'it runs much better and it's way better optimized'.
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    #90  Edited By Omurra

    its not like this is the first time this has happened anyways; just cause 2 is the same way and came out months ago on pc.

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    #91  Edited By 71Ranchero
    @Emilio said:
    " That sucks. But hey, its just Microsoft's plan to basically continue to destroy the PC video game industry and continue their half-assed attempts at console gaming. "
    Every time I see your posts I think to myself that you may want to click here.
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    #92  Edited By JoeyRavn
    @BounceDK said:
    " DX9 = 100+ FPS DX10 = 40 FPS"
    Care to share the benchmark, please? Any game that has a +60FPS difference between DX9 and DX10 is a clear example of devs not giving a crap about it. If not... overexaggeration is overexaggerated. DX10 tends to perform better than DX9 if you have the hardware.
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    #93  Edited By BounceDK
    @gike987:  XP will be supported until 2014. Or maybe it's 2013,  I can't remember.
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    #94  Edited By korwin
    @JoeyRavn said:
    " @BounceDK said:
    " DX9 = 100+ FPS DX10 = 40 FPS"
    Care to share the benchmark, please? Any game that has a +60FPS difference between DX9 and DX10 is a clear example of devs not giving a crap about it. If not... overexaggeration is overexaggerated. DX10 tends to perform better than DX9 if you have the hardware. "
    Yep, infact Farcry 2 on PC was the first DX10 title to show increased performance in DX10.  DX9 is infact whats been holding DX10/11 back in the performance realm.  People need to take a look at titles like JC2 and Mafia 2, those are both DX10 exclusive and looks fantastic and run like butter.  Especially when compared to the DX9 open world counter parts (GTA4 and Saints Row 2).
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    #95  Edited By BounceDK
    @JoeyRavn:  Run a heaven becnhmark. No way in hell DX10 performs the same as DX9. Never gonna happen. DX11 actually implemented loads of optimization techniques for the sole purpose to improve FPS so it's not too bad. But DX10, pfft. Bull just like Vista.
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    #96  Edited By JoeyRavn
    @BounceDK said:
    " @JoeyRavn:  Run a heaven becnhmark. No way in hell DX10 performs the same as DX9. Never gonna happen. DX11 actually implemented loads of optimization techniques for the sole purpose to improve FPS so it's not too bad. But DX10, pfft. Bull just like Vista. "
    You gave the numbers, the burden of proof is on you. But yeah, since you mention it, never gonna happen
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    #97  Edited By BounceDK

    Farcry is old. Get with the times man, god.

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    #98  Edited By korwin
    @BounceDK said:

    " Farcry is old. Get with the times man, god. "

    ?
     
    I'm going to assume that was directed at my post.  I was simply providing historical evidence to demonstrate the advantages of using the DX10/11 architecture when implemented correctly. The age of the title in this case is irrelevant, not that Farcry 2 is particularly old anyway.
     
    Edit: Just checked Joey's link, guess it was @him
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    #99  Edited By korwin

    Additionally the irony of a person who promotes the ongoing use of an older technology (over a newer technology) telling someone to "Get with the times" is astounding.

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    #100  Edited By bjorno

    windows xp is likes 100 years old and sucks compared to 7, nobody with a gaming capable pc should be still on it.

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