BRich

@Tim_the_Corsair said:

Hey fuck you Bioware for making Zaeed so generic and unimportant to Mass Effect 2, we don't want an extraneous character, we want a real, important part of the team for our DLC!  
 
Hey fuck you Bioware for making Javik unique and important to Mass Effect 3 then adding an extra price tag to him. I just paid $60.

Fixed that for you.

@BRich said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@BRich said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@StarvingGamer: The Prothean offers information vital to the lore, he was in the original leak.
 
@Gordy: If I don't have the right to access the content on the disc then what exactly am I paying for.

You pay for the right to play the fucking game that the developers give you access to.

So if a developer decided to lock the ending off unless I edited a .txt file or paid $10 that's okay.

Then you don't buy the goddamn game, what is the disconnect here? If it is worth your 60 or $70 right now, then go ahead. Otherwise, wait 18 months and get it for $5 on Steam. Or don't play it ever.

So what you're saying is it is wrong.

@Gordy said:

It has stood up in a court of law, through litigation over cassette tapes, used car sales, VHS, and any other assorted lawsuits that have to do with consumers technical ownership of what they buy. I'm not trying to defend whether it's right or wrong, but in the eyes of the court of law, and the businesses selling the product, you are buying a license to a copy of their game. You are getting a physical disc, but you do not have the right to everything on that disc. That's just the way it is. If that ever changes, it changes, but right now, you have access to what the company says you have access to. You do not have a right to access that DLC because EA/Bioware are fully within their right to call it extra content, whether it's on the disc or not.

Have we been reading the same litigation? Because of all the things you've mentioned, as far as I can remember, they all come back to "the consumer is allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with this thing they bought." Hence why I can sell my used car, or I was able to spend my childhood taping things on VHS and casette tapes in spite of the music and film industry trying to make both technologies illegal. I don't understand the point you're trying to make here - that somehow because I have a right to do whatever I want with these things so long as I do not infringe on another company's ability to sell a product to a consumer, that gives EA and Bioware the right to sell me something and then tell me I'm not allowed to use it unless I buy another thing from them? How does that make sense?

@BRich said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@StarvingGamer: The Prothean offers information vital to the lore, he was in the original leak.
 
@Gordy: If I don't have the right to access the content on the disc then what exactly am I paying for.

You pay for the right to play the fucking game that the developers give you access to.

So if a developer decided to lock the ending off unless I edited a .txt file or paid $10 that's okay.

@Gordy said:

They will be, considering how well it's selling.

All the more reason to be aggressively against it! That's a fucking awful outcome!

@StarvingGamer: The Prothean offers information vital to the lore, he was in the original leak.
 
@Gordy: If I don't have the right to access the content on the disc then what exactly am I paying for.

@Zlimness said:

@Gordy said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Gordy: @BRich: Oh no, they decided to call it "From Ashes" and market it for $10 after cert. Deary me. We all know it was developed alongside the main game,

Right, where did I say it wasn't? Where did Bioware say it wasn't? They said it was FINISHED after cert. That's a pretty important difference you're ignoring. That 600 meg download isn't a fucking key.

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Gordy: @BRich: If I'm not paying for what is on the disc and developed for the game before launch, then what exactly am I paying for.

It's not up to you to decide what they offer you , it's up to you to decide what you're going to buy from them. There's a difference. They decide what the final game is, you decide whether that's worth your $60. I've already explained this. If they decide to take a shitty free to play game and sell it for $60 dollars, that's their decision to make.

I haven't bought ME3 yet and I honestly don't know what Im getting at this point. If I buy the bog standard version, am I getting the final game? With the all the talk about DLC, it sounds like the content in this game is all over the place.

You get the whole game, minus a character and mission that would mean a lot if you are a ME fan. Also you get a series ruining ending depending on who you ask.

@BRich said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@BRich said:

They didn't decide to offer it to you. Resourceful people with the pc version offered it to themselves. Bioware would never simply have a squad member appear out nowhere in the game, so of course you can't access this incomplete content.

It's a full character.  That's hardly incomplete.

A full character with no reason for being their and nothing to do with is not complete. That would be panned by everyone as a joke.

You're right.  It's a shame they decided to cut that part out of the game and sell it for $10.

@BRich said:

They didn't decide to offer it to you. Resourceful people with the pc version offered it to themselves. Bioware would never simply have a squad member appear out nowhere in the game, so of course you can't access this incomplete content.

It's a full character.  That's hardly incomplete.

@Gordy said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Gordy: @BRich: Oh no, they decided to call it "From Ashes" and market it for $10 after cert. Deary me. We all know it was developed alongside the main game,

Right, where did I say it wasn't? Where did Bioware say it wasn't? They said it was FINISHED after cert. That's a pretty important difference you're ignoring. That 600 meg download isn't a fucking key.

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Gordy: @BRich: If I'm not paying for what is on the disc and developed for the game before launch, then what exactly am I paying for.

It's not up to you to decide what they offer you , it's up to you to decide what you're going to buy from them. There's a difference. They decide what the final game is, you decide whether that's worth your $60. I've already explained this. If they decide to take a shitty free to play game and sell it for $60 dollars, that's their decision to make.

Yes, they decided to offer me a Prothean character on the disc.  So why can't I use him if I want to.