BRich

@BRich said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Gordy said:

@iAmJohn said:

@Gordy said:

I never said whether it was right or wrong. If you'd stop being hyperbolic you might actually be able to think about what other people are saying, instead of just assuming it's you vs. the world.

If you keep defending their right to fleece consumers like this and keep saying "well this is the way it is so stop whining about it," you are implicitly saying whether or not you think it's right or wrong.

I'm saying stop whining, because you guys are fucking whining. If you guys would stop and think about how the business side of gaming works you might see some reasonable points, but instead you're wasting time whining about things you've already made your mind up on, instead of making any feeble attempt at learning more about the issue as a whole.

I don't think EA/Bioware is infallible, and the way they handled this is pretty fucked up, but the sheer range of mindless, directionless outrage over Bioware has been disgraceful as a gamer. First, mass spreading of a beta script, and outrage over it despite it being unfinished, then mass harrassment of an writer from Bioware who then turned out to not even work for Bioware, to outrage at Bioware's mere inclusion of an option of choosing between no combat/no action/normal experiences, then this. This immature outrage machine has got to stop.

Guys why are you so entitled.  How dare you demand to play all the content on the disc you bought.  Honestly the game is worth far more than $60, in fact you should really be paying twice that.

A prothean squad member with no mission is kind of useless is it not? How would they justify him just appearing in your squad with nothing to do?

So what you're saying is it's okay to lock consumers out of the content they paid for.

@Gordy said:

@iAmJohn said:

@Gordy said:

I never said whether it was right or wrong. If you'd stop being hyperbolic you might actually be able to think about what other people are saying, instead of just assuming it's you vs. the world.

If you keep defending their right to fleece consumers like this and keep saying "well this is the way it is so stop whining about it," you are implicitly saying whether or not you think it's right or wrong.

I'm saying stop whining, because you guys are fucking whining. If you guys would stop and think about how the business side of gaming works you might see some reasonable points, but instead you're wasting time whining about things you've already made your mind up on, instead of making any feeble attempt at learning more about the issue as a whole.

I don't think EA/Bioware is infallible, and the way they handled this is pretty fucked up, but the sheer range of mindless, directionless outrage over Bioware has been disgraceful as a gamer. First, mass spreading of a beta script, and outrage over it despite it being unfinished, then mass harrassment of an writer from Bioware who then turned out to not even work for Bioware, to outrage at Bioware's mere inclusion of an option of choosing between no combat/no action/normal experiences, then this. This immature outrage machine has got to stop.

Guys why are you so entitled.  How dare you demand to play all the content on the disc you bought.  Honestly the game is worth far more than $60, in fact you should really be paying twice that.

@BRich said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@BRich: The point is it isn't illegal.  Nothing about this is illegal.  Except maybe Bioware and EA intentionally lying to their customers.

I just don't understand the point. They could have deleted the data for the character and given us a much larger download to avoid "it's on the disc!" crying or leave the pieces that were completed when the discs went to press. Either way they are selling it. And hey, they are also saving everyone some bandwidth.

The point is it is impossible that it was developed after the game was in cert.  They lied.

@BRich: The point is it isn't illegal.  Nothing about this is illegal.  Except maybe Bioware and EA intentionally lying to their customers.

@BRich said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@BRich said:

@Gordy said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Gordy said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Milkman said:

You want to talk about lies. In that video, the DLC mission isn't unlocked. It's just the character so no, the only people lying in this situation is the creator of that video and the OP. On top of that, I'm so goddamn sick of hearing about this DLC. Either buy it or don't buy it and can we please move the fuck on?

If it wasn't a lie then why is Bioware deleting any threads discussing it on their forums.

Not locking, deleting.

Because people are talking about how they're hacking the game? that's pretty clearly against the TOS of the forum.

Editing a text file isn't fucking hacking. They're basically saying modding is illegal.

No, the problem there is a difference of opinion. In their opinion, the license you agreed to is being broken, and talking about that on their forum is against the terms of service. Again, simple as that. It's not modding to them.

Correct. You can also alter a few files so you don't need a disc or legal copy of the game at all. Same thing as altering files to get a small portion of the DLC for free.

He altered one line of a .txt

It was a protected file that required this specific hacking utility to access: http://wenchy.net/me3-coalesced-utility

All that allows you to do is open a fucking folder.   Jesus are we really discussing this.  EA just might as well come out and say modders will be banned from Origin, that's basically where this is heading.

@BRich said:

@Gordy said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Gordy said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Milkman said:

You want to talk about lies. In that video, the DLC mission isn't unlocked. It's just the character so no, the only people lying in this situation is the creator of that video and the OP. On top of that, I'm so goddamn sick of hearing about this DLC. Either buy it or don't buy it and can we please move the fuck on?

If it wasn't a lie then why is Bioware deleting any threads discussing it on their forums.

Not locking, deleting.

Because people are talking about how they're hacking the game? that's pretty clearly against the TOS of the forum.

Editing a text file isn't fucking hacking. They're basically saying modding is illegal.

No, the problem there is a difference of opinion. In their opinion, the license you agreed to is being broken, and talking about that on their forum is against the terms of service. Again, simple as that. It's not modding to them.

Correct. You can also alter a few files so you don't need a disc or legal copy of the game at all. Same thing as altering files to get a small portion of the DLC for free.

He altered one line of a .txt

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Gordy said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@Milkman said:

You want to talk about lies. In that video, the DLC mission isn't unlocked. It's just the character so no, the only people lying in this situation is the creator of that video and the OP. On top of that, I'm so goddamn sick of hearing about this DLC. Either buy it or don't buy it and can we please move the fuck on?

If it wasn't a lie then why is Bioware deleting any threads discussing it on their forums.

Not locking, deleting.

Because people are talking about how they're hacking the game? that's pretty clearly against the TOS of the forum.

Editing a text file isn't fucking hacking. They're basically saying modding is illegal.

No, the problem there is a difference of opinion. In their opinion, the license you agreed to is being broken, and talking about that on their forum is against the terms of service. Again, simple as that. It's not modding to them.

@Milkman said:

You want to talk about lies. In that video, the DLC mission isn't unlocked. It's just the character so no, the only people lying in this situation is the creator of that video and the OP. On top of that, I'm so goddamn sick of hearing about this DLC. Either buy it or don't buy it and can we please move the fuck on?

If it wasn't a lie then why is Bioware deleting any threads discussing it on their forums.
 
Not locking, deleting.

@Brodehouse said:

@Metal_Mills You're not buying the script! You're buying the video game they released on March 6th! How do you not get this?!

And how the hell do you not get that some people don't think Day 1 DLC is right? All other DLC at day 1 were free from past BW games. This one isn't and is on the disc. It's the mission you're buying.  Why couldn't it be the new buyers incentive? Buy it new, get the Prothean. If you buy it used, hell charge $15 for it. The mentality of "Oh well, they can do as they please and charge $60" means those companies will push and push even further, slowly so few notice. All of a sudden it's nearing the end of next-gen and people like you are going "What gives you the right to demand an ending? It's the journey that counts and if you liked it that much, why not fork out the $10 for the final chapter?" (And by the way, developers HAVE mentioned that exact thing.)