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It's Our Giant Bomb Too

Wall of Text Alert. Here is a Summary of my Position for Forum Dwellers:

Giant Bomb Community Content is as important as Editorial, and the two should be integrated to give Community Content the same prestige as Editorial, 
which it deserves.
 
You can read the full Blog Post below. If you wanna speed through it, the highlights are in Bold Italics Underlined.

And the Wall of Text (Highlights are in Bold Italics Underlined):

Recently, a good friend I've made through Giant Bomb, by the name of Sweep, posted this . It's a Blog detailing his thoughts on the Giant Bomb Community Content & how it should be promoted, amongst other related things. If you haven't read it, check it out, it's a good read. He makes a lot of great points - and Jeff has revealed in there that the staff are considering a lot of it.
 
It, and the discussion that erupted in the comments, got me thinking though. Thinking about the site, where it's come from...Where it's going. Most  thought provoking of all was a sentiment in the comments there that I've seen all the way through the site's life which runs completely counter to what Giant Bomb is all about to me.
 
That sentiment? "It's their Bomb and we're just living in it."
 
It usually manifests whenever someone is trying to promote Community content - even the staff. Yep, it's most evident in the comments on the Answers to the QOTY. There it takes the form of people complaining about how much they hate the contributions and how they just want to see and hear from the Editorial Team. In discussions like the one Sweep prompted, it takes the form of people projecting that opinion onto the masses - r epeated claims that "Most people are only here to see what the Staff say", or "the Community is dumb, the only thing worthwhile is the Editorial".
 
Those statements, made as absolutes as they are, are complete and utter bullshit. I've been here this whole time, right back from when we used the Comments on the Wordpress Blog as a Forum, through the Chatroom on the Justin.tv channel on launch day when I sat up all night waiting for, and eventually playing with, the site, and up until now where the site has ballooned into something much larger than I ever imagined. And through all that time, I have never seen a scrap of evidence that "most people are ONLY here for the Editorial".
 
Never in all my time on the internet have I ever seen a Community create so much amazing content, so fast, in such a broad array of media as right here at Giant Bomb. Sometimes I sit in awe at the things people have contributed - the Mass Effect 2 Mega Guide, some of the amazingly detailed Wikis, everything ZombiePie does, TurboMan's burger review videos, the sheer masses of Forum Posts and Wiki Points a lot of my fellow users have, awesome Lists like the "Doing a Brad" List, the VOLUME of reviews some users have contributed.
 
Y ou guys in the Giant Bomb Community make me ashamed of how little I've contributed sometimes. I look back at my largest contribution - The Bomb Should Have A Face Podcast and wonder how we ever thought something as miniscule as a Podcast was supposed to contain a summary of everything you guys are doing. I've been here this whole time, and I'm a nobody. Because Giant Bomb's users are some of the finest content creators on the entire internet. I can't keep up with you! The only place I've come close is in the F1 2009 Wiki - and that's because I think I'm the only significant F1 fan on the site!
 
And as ashamed as I feel of my own paltry contribution, I feel nothing but pride in Giant Bomb. All of you, together with Editorial, have made this site a joy to use. I've made friends here, launched my pseudo-Career as a broadcaster here and I've spent hours, maybe days, consuming just a tiny portion of what's produced.
 
So I'm saying here, right now: The belittling of our Community & its contributions has to stop.
 
A big step in the right direction would be the Bomb Shelter concept Sweep conceived, but it has to go further. The Staff alone can't stop all the hate. Not even with the help of a few Community Managers. If (When) the Staff find a way to get the Content up there alongside Editorial, we have to help. Way back when, a bunch of us tried to use Bomb Should Have A Face to spread the love. It was too small. The "Bomb Shelter" concept requires us to all come together and help eachother, the staff and the mods out. If you see a way to vote up content, or vote it down, use it. If people are in the comments hating on users' content for no reason, consider drowning them out with praise, or constructive criticism. I've been remiss in doing this myself. But no more, It has to be done. I genuinely believe, based on what I've seen since I came here, that there is a whole lotta love in the Giant Bomb Community. Let's use it.
 
Lastly, I would like to tack something onto Sweep's "Bomb Shelter" idea. I feel that the Engineering team's concept of promoting content on various pages is not flawed . It just needs refining. The "Bomb Shelter" Tab should act as an engine driving which content makes it out into the "Editorial" walled garden . That way, the best content on the site can be seen by those who just read Editorial (Eg, the unregistered lurkers, link followers etc.).
 
For example, the homepage currently shows a featured review at the bottom, and some Topics. I say, throw that review into the promo bar at the top of the page, with the Editorial. Do the same with the Cream of the Crop in other categories - Blogs, Lists, even Wikis. This has sort of been done in the past. But it's through Jeff or another Editor manually adding in a post, like the one pimping out the Mass Effect 2 Mega Guide, or through the since defunct Weekly Bomb Drop (Which was a fairly inefficient way of doing it - since evolved, via "The Community is Still a Threat" into The Community Spotlight Redux - incidentally my favorite Forum Topic).
 
Anyway, I didn't mean to ramble on at you so much. My point is, the attitude that Community & Editorial are these two separate walled gardens must end. In the words of Jeff Gerstmann: "building a community of people...is a big part of what Giant Bomb is all about". The Community is in this site's blood. It's pumped through the site's very core, the Wiki Database. It's our Bomb too.
 
And if that bomb's going to go off, then Bomb Should Have A Face.
 
PS: That last part was just for old time's sake, I miss the old community show. ;)
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@Bellum: TurboToaster's artwork is now adorning the page for the Bombcast.  There are QOTW videos every week...made by the community.  There are mailbag videos...to showcase what the community has sent the guys.  They are constantly working on different ways for the community to be recognized. 
 
I'm sorry, but all of this hubbub from Jenson and Sweep and everyone else saying that Giant Bomb as an entity doesn't show enough support or organization for the community...are in serious need of a reality check...and a drop in ego. 
 
We are the players, the actors, and contributors...and Giant Bomb is the director and provider.  If you don't like that role, then I don't know what to say. 
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I could care less about what random people post on the site if they don't include their real names. Hiding behind anonymity is so easy. If you want community driven content floating to the top of the page every once in a while, you're in the wrong place. Join 1up or Bitmob. Let Giantbomb be what it is.

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@jakob187 said:
" @Bellum: TurboToaster's artwork is now adorning the page for the Bombcast.  There are QOTW videos every week...made by the community.  There are mailbag videos...to showcase what the community has sent the guys.  They are constantly working on different ways for the community to be recognized.  I'm sorry, but all of this hubbub from Jenson and Sweep and everyone else saying that Giant Bomb as an entity doesn't show enough support or organization for the community...are in serious need of a reality check...and a drop in ego.  We are the players, the actors, and contributors...and Giant Bomb is the director and provider.  If you don't like that role, then I don't know what to say.  "
 
 
I think the majority of this nonsense about wanting to be "better than the staff" or whatever is created by misleading posts like this. Perhaps I've missed that part, but I don't think anyone here has criticized the staff as not caring about the community. Most of the anti-community stuff is coming from a few vocal morons from the community itself. The staff has been doing a great job. I see this thread as merely a suggestion of how to logistically pull off what they've already been aiming for.
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I think this is called puberty. When a website reaches a certain age it starts growing hair in weird places and well, that's just not comfortable. YET necessary.

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They should just destroy or rework the QOTW, and we can all get on with our lives, or the wasting thereof.
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@Bellum said:
" @jakob187 said:
" @Bellum: TurboToaster's artwork is now adorning the page for the Bombcast.  There are QOTW videos every week...made by the community.  There are mailbag videos...to showcase what the community has sent the guys.  They are constantly working on different ways for the community to be recognized.  I'm sorry, but all of this hubbub from Jenson and Sweep and everyone else saying that Giant Bomb as an entity doesn't show enough support or organization for the community...are in serious need of a reality check...and a drop in ego.  We are the players, the actors, and contributors...and Giant Bomb is the director and provider.  If you don't like that role, then I don't know what to say.  "
  I think the majority of this nonsense about wanting to be "better than the staff" or whatever is created by misleading posts like this. Perhaps I've missed that part, but I don't think anyone here has criticized the staff as not caring about the community. Most of the anti-community stuff is coming from a few vocal morons from the community itself. The staff has been doing a great job. I see this thread as merely a suggestion of how to logistically pull off what they've already been aiming for. "
Exactly, yes.
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I don't know dude. I come here for the content from Ryan, Jeff, Brad, Vinny, Drew and Dave and whoever else they deem appropriate. Sometimes I come here and there is no new content. At that point, I'll go through the forums and see if there is anything interesting. There is. Interesting stuff, that is. I don't comment on it that much because... I usually don't have anything interesting to say that hasn't already been said. Whatever.
 
To think that they should vet every single forum post that comes through and then decide whether or not it should go to the homepage is ridiculous. I believe that people that are interested in the community aspect of the website are already heavily invested in it. Forcing it down the throats of everyone that comes to the website is a bad idea. Let's face it, the vast majority of the people on here aren't as funny as the Giant Bomb crew. They sure as hell aren't as knowledgeable.
 
What I would suggest would be to start your own website. I don't know, it could just be a blog. If you're good, people will come. If you're that good, you'd probably get a lot of people from Giant Bomb and other places. That's how GoNintendo started. It's super-successful. 
 
Just don't be a douche and blame Giant Bomb because you aren't getting the coverage that you feel that you deserve for some reason.

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@Cube said:
" It's just a website...  Also GB's community isn't all that great. "
Neither is Gamespot's System Wars, but we run our own journalistic magazine.
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@Willy105 said:
" @Cube said:
" It's just a website...  Also GB's community isn't all that great. "
Neither is Gamespot's System Wars, but we run our own journalistic magazine. "
System Wars Monthly is at least funny or satirical in a sense. 
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I love how people try to be holier-than-though, conceited dicks by saying, "it's just a website". Especially when they have over 2,000 posts. Just shut the fuck up. There are people who care about Giant Bomb, and there are people who want to see this place flourish. You're just showing disrespect to the moderators and countless dedicated members who work hard to keep this community afloat.

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Alright look. I don't mind people coming in here and disagreeing completely. But 60-70% of you are putting words in my mouth, and the mouths of people who agree with me (Or vice versa). Some of you aren't doing that, but are mis-representing our position. Here is a quick Fact-Check:
 

  1. I love Editorial and don't want them to change a thing - I especially oppose a reduction in the quantity.
  2. You need to actually read Sweep's suggestion rather than assuming you know what it is. It is for a Tab, maintained by Community Managers such as the CSR editor ZombiePie, where community content is showcased. Essentially, the CSR streamlined and formalised, with a neat position in the nav bar. Second, he is NOT DEMANDING IT, none of use are demanding anything. We love the site, we care about the site, these are our suggestions.
  3. My suggestion is just a slight addition to Sweep's. I'd have the Community "ThumbUp" the things they like, and use those votes to help sort the Community Tab. Currently, Editorial occasionally does a Blog post linking to content like the Mass Effect 2 Megaguide. All I am suggesting is that this be simplified and formalised by putting those links on the homepage in a more prominent spot. Why's that an addition? Because the discovery would be simplified. It would just be a case of the staff looking at the highest rated stuff on the CS, taking a look at it and, if they liked it, adding the link.
  4. I would suggest allowing users to turn these homepage links to community stuff off.
  5. My content is not the stuff I am talking about AT ALL.
  6. You can serve ads on Community Content. YouTube does it. Facebook does it. Wikia does it. It's not a big deal.
  7. The Whiskey Media Engineers are heroes and I would love to buy them all a beer to thank them for all their hard work. Same goes for the Editorial staff - of all the Whiskey sites, even the ones I don't use.
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The editors earn a living making reviews for games. I'd much rather read/listen to what they have to say about the game compared to any member of the community. That doesn't mean I never look at user reviews, but if I read about a game I am interested in and a member of staff says don't touch it then I won't.
 
My view: If you don't like it leave, this website is not a democracy.

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@zudthespud said:
" The editors earn a living making reviews for games. I'd much rather read/listen to what they have to say about the game compared to any member of the community. That doesn't mean I never look at user reviews, but if I read about a game I am interested in and a member of staff says don't touch it then I won't.  My view: If you don't like it leave, this website is not a democracy. "
Dude. You may not like user-generated content, and that's your opinion. You're entitled to it. But there are many who do, and want to see an improvement in this area. Even the staff are supporting it. If you don't like it, leave.
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imho, You make the site to fulfill your personal needs. OFC we all have different needs. 
You like user created info, the site got that covered.
You like editorial viewpoints, that's covered as well. 
 aaaand so on....

@Jensonb: ty man

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@Jensonb: It has become to many pages in this thread for me to review them so I say sorry if this already coem up. I have tip for you if you want to have a way to market/make your work vissible to others. It's sadly not on Giantbomb but what you ask for can be provided by Bitmob.com. it's not the solution for Giantbomb of course but if you really think you make quality content then check Bitmob out. It's driven by ex EGM/Gamespot people and they house alot of quality bloggers there, some people have even become a part of the editorial team. 
  http://www.bitmob.com  
         
As I said. It's not the solution you seek but a way for your content to get the screentime you think it's deserves.
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I'm late to the party, but the community's content shouldn't be considered on par with the core editorial team. There's a reason that the crew of Jeff, Ryan, Brad and Vinny are trusted names in the video game industry, because they've proven their intelligence and credibility in the public eye for many years. I certainly mean no disrespect to one of the best gaming communities and most robust knowledge systems on the Internet, but none of this works without the core Whiskey Media team leading the way.
 
When the community as a whole can offer that level of contribution, then it'll be apples to apples.