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"You're abusing the character."

That's what my friend told me last night after I handed him his ass with Vega. I'm not even a good player. I was just using his moves (Mostly sky high claw and Flying Barcelona attack) and trying to cross up on him. He had no answer for them as El Fuerte. So he decided to blame it on me. I asked him if I'm just not supposed to use half of his move set. He just tripped over his words and said I was abusing the character. Kind of infuriating. 
 
What do you guys do in that kind of situation? I just laughed. But I didn't play Vega the rest of the night 'cause I didn't want to hear him bitch.

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I can sympathize with you.  I to play Vega.  I went up against a 1100 something Fei Long and beat him three rounds to nothing.  He sent me a nasty message that told me to learn to play the game.

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@Lukeweizer said:
" That's what my friend told me last night after I handed him his ass with Vega. I'm not even a good player. I was just using his moves (Mostly sky high claw and Flying Barcelona attack) and trying to cross up on him. He had no answer for them as El Fuerte. So he decided to blame it on me. I asked him if I'm just not supposed to use half of his move set. He just tripped over his words and said I was abusing the character. Kind of infuriating.   What do you guys do in that kind of situation? I just laughed. But I didn't play Vega the rest of the night 'cause I didn't want to hear him bitch. "
idk if hes your friend then after a few rounds of him being completely lost maybe you should help him and give him advice on what to do/when. That's how you both will get better, if you are winning because he has no idea wtf is going on then neither of you will learn anything and get better.
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@pawsoffury said:
" El Fuerte and Vega are my two mains so this post made my ears perk up!  Tips for playing against Claw with Fuerte:     The most important advice against Claw as Fuerte is to not sprint across the full length of the screen. With his very fast roll and sky high claw there's just not enough opportunity to cancel yourself out the sprint in time and block the incoming assault. With EX versions you'll be losing a significant chunk of your healthbar if they manage to land.Regular block doesnt work out too well against Claw's wall dive attacks as Fuerte's quite a small character in comparison to the rest of the roster and the wall dive attack connect usually hits above him rather than to a side. Focus blocking is the way to go or to mix it up (if you're daring enough), his backward sprint to spring jump (medium kick?) moves him out the way speedily in time with the screen scroll to Claw's dive.  I find that most Claw players if they can't connect with wall dives will crouch and poke around for a bit (easily blocked if you're not tempted to try and jab back with obviously insufficent range) then try to go into his forward jump HP > HP > Crouch mp > Roll combo. If you can anticipate this combo it leaves Claw open on the whiffed mp/roll for either a forward MK attack (which comes out as a very quick somersault attack which is hard to block/anticipate) or if Fuerte has any EX in the tank a quickly executed Press swings the balance into Fuerte's momentum where you can mix up all his sprint specials before Vega can eventually backflip away or Scarlet Terror to escape. The real meat you're waiting for as Fuerte is the chance to launch his 2nd Ultra. You can easily knock off nearly half a health bar on the lower stamina characters such as Seth & Vega. The best opportunity is to wait for Vega to whiff his Crouch HK slide. The range and the fact Claw's in a crouching position makes Fuerte's second ultra almost unblockable. You can also force the situation onto Vega by making /HIM/ block your HK slide and as soon as the block connects - hit the ultra (back semi x2 3K) and it is almost 99% unblockable short of your timing being slow and him getting a lucky jump off in time. The one problem with the second method is that this also leaves you vunerable to Claw's second Ultra if you give him enough space to action before your slide connects.  FInally as with any Claw match, learn your combo's so that even if he succesfully defends you can knock his Claws off quickly in a round. This prevents his poking game which is where Vega excells and short of him regaining his Claw will find it very difficult if you keep on the offensive. "
I don't think you're playing fuerte the right way.  Punish a vega's barcelona and do your mixup until he figures out he can flip out of it on wakeup, bait a flip and then use u2. Vega isn't a hard matchup for fuerte, you just have to play differently
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LOL ive actually got my friend to leave my house with my seth antics 

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@FluxWaveZ said:
" @Xcessive said:
" vegas cross ups are so hard to beat with lag, and when the player knows this and plays a solid mix up game, it makes me want to cry. "
But for my experience with SSFIV, I've barely had any lag online.  The advanced matchmaking makes a big difference to the lag I experience from SFIV to now: I barely experience any lag with fellow Canadian players.  So, I can't often blame me losing or something on the lag, anymore. "
Matches have gotten better, but the laggy matchers are 10x laggier
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i have a friend who wants me to use characters that i don't know how to use at all, while he gets to use characters everybody knows how to use-- just because i have the game and he doesn't! what kinda bullshit is that?!!

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El Fuerte isn't even that bad against Vega-all you've gotta do is Harabeno Dash the Barcelona and then counter with an attack of some kind.

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Between me and my friends I try not to use Ryu and spam hadoken (cause that's all I can do) unless they specifically ask to fight that.
 
I try to figure out what they can do against it whenever I find a move that seems overpowered cause I figure it's SF and there's probably a way to take care of it.
 
Also I play Dan a lot to give my friends a chance to win :P