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Spill.com talks about Ryan Davis and this is how I responded

Edit: I've been looking through the comments, and noticed that the trend went from the community saying fuck you to Spill.com to agreeing with the Spill crew that we need to get into shape and that this blog post was unnecessary. I was actually hoping to see what you guys think, and now I'm feeling like I'm changing thoughts on what I said before. I probably should of gave Spill more credit about keeping yourself in shape because it is important for us to stay healthy. Also, I guess I got too sensitive about this and I apologize. It was probably too much for me to expect these guys to know more about Ryan Davis besides his death and I really shouldn't of expected them being more empathic towards Ryan. I might make more edits to this blog later, but if you want to read it now, here it is.

Hey guys, on June 9 I noticed that the movie/humor website, Spill.com, actually talked about Ryan Davis on there podcast show, The Daily Spill, where two of the site's critics, Korey Coleman and Cyrus talk about recent news of movies and entertainment overall. Here's the link to the podcast for anyone who wants to listen to, but I'm going to tell you guys my thoughts on how Spill handled the story.

The Podcast

On there front page, I saw Ryan as one of the four dudes in yesterday's Daily Spill logo where he is in between Johnny Depp as Tonto from The Lone Ranger and the lead guitarist for Metallica. I have a feeling if Ryan saw this picture, he'd probably be stoked seeing it. And I did not listen to anything else they talked about on the show, I just jumped into the Ryan story to see what they were gonna say. I thought if that picture of Ryan was on that logo, maybe Korey and Cyrus (real name is Chris Cox) from Spill actually knew Ryan from the past somehow and wanted to talk about him as a person and why this news is so tragic. Maybe the Loading Bar guys pressured the Spill crew to talk about this because maybe when those guys were on Spill, they might of saw Ryan and Giant Bomb as inspirations for their work. Instead, the Spill crew went this direction:

When they got to Ryan's death, they were stating some facts about what they found about Davis and his death, saying he was a former editor at Gamespot and then became a senior editor on Giant Bomb, mentioned that Giant Bomb was one of Time Magazine's best websites of 2011, stated that he died at the age of 34 and died in less than a week after he got married. Of course they felt very sorry for Ryan as they felt he died too young and felt extremely sorry for his wife, family and friends having to deal with such a loss. This was something I appreciated, they brought up facts about Ryan's career and his legacy and they seemed genuinely sorry for him passing away too early. That said, their podcast went into a direction that I thought was utterly unnecessary.

After stating how sorry and sad they were hearing this news, Cyrus then brings up a quote he found from someone saying "When was the last time you pressed the X button?" This quote would lead to Korey and Cyrus using this story as an example of encouraging people to stay healthy because they brought up that Ryan was a "big guy" in their podcast and assume he might of died from health problems. While they do acknowledge that they themselves aren't in the best shape either and they are right about what health problems can do to someone's life, this to me seemed like an excuse for them to take this story somewhere where it did not need to be because they did not know what else to talk about. Granted later in the podcast, they admitted they never met or heard of Ryan before this story and once they saw a picture of Ryan, they probably thought he did not take care of his body enough and that might of resulted to his death, thus causing them to transition to tell the audience to find time to stay in shape. Right now, I don't know if I should feel angry or not because they really had little to work with because of their lackluster knowledge about Ryan, but at the same time if they are willing to put a picture of Ryan on the Daily Spill logo of June 9, that would imply that these guys knew more about the man besides his death and would emphasize why this news is so tragic for a selected group of people.

The one moment that had me furious beyond belief was right around the end of their discussion on this news as Cyrus says out of nowhere "Maybe his new wife stabbed him to death, who knows". I shit you not. He said that. That was by far the stupidest and not welcome assumption I've ever heard. Sorry if I'm overreacting, but that just pissed me off! It just just doesn't seem right to just randomly assume that. At least Korey stated that he felt really bad for his wife and did not accuse her of something terrible.

And one more thing, they had links to all of the stories they talked about, but for Ryan Davis, the source came from Rueters.com and not from Rorie's blog from this site. They probably went with Rueters because that had the facts about Ryan Davis' resume, but still, I would of rather have them cited Rorie's article. To me, that would of been an honorable move on Spill's part to provide the link.

My Response

After listening to this, I was pretty torn with what I listened too. I was happy that the Spill.com crew bothered to talk about this news and see them send their condolences for the loss. However, moments like them telling people to stay in shape and Cyrus' idiotic assumption about Ryan's wife had me either raising my eyebrows or really upset. So I thought of writing a comment to them, but instead of sounding angry, I collected myself and wrote what I thought was a restrained and critical response to the Ryan Davis bit in the podcast.

First thing I did is to actually provide the reason why he did, and most of us know it was of natural causes. I even provide a source to one of our forums that had the information. I wasn't sure about directly making a source to Mr. Richard Davis' twitter account, because I wasn't sure if directly linking to his account just to find an answer to their podcast was bad or not. So I chose the board that had the quote instead.

Then I stated that I appreciated that fact that they got to talk about this news. Then I stated what I thought about this news in two sentences, saying it was a shame that he died so young because he was an amazing video game personality and approached his job in such a positive and humorous direction. I even made a comparison between their site and Giant Bomb because like what Korey and his crew have done with movie content by providing video reviews and a variety of podcasts, Ryan and his co-workers did the same, with video game content providing excellent content all around that was for the most part, freaking hilarious. I was probably being too hopeful that when they were going to talk about Ryan Davis, they would actually connect themselves with Giant Bomb, but that did not happen.

Lastly, I had to tell Cyrus how I felt about his comment about Ryan's wife. I avoided expressing my thoughts on their direction to lose weight, but that comment had to be addressed. For those who do not know, the Spill crew have a tendency of bashing their members in the comment section whenever the members themselves make rather outrageous comments that the crew might find offensive. I decided not to take that route and say that I just found that comment inappropriate and unnecessary. I also said that based on what I've listened to on their podcasts, Ryan and his wife were madly in love and she would never do such a thing. I then asked him to please never make an assumption like that again if you truly know little about a news story like this.

I hope my feelings seem justified about this. For me if they put Ryan's picture on that logo to talk about this, I would think they would talk more about Ryan rather than starting off sending their condolences and then go on talking about maintaining your shape, which they said is hard to do in "nerd culture" as they call it. If you really know little about the man, why bring this up at all? Now I think about, Spill should of avoided this story if they do not know who Ryan Davis is and just talk about movie news. I also hope my response was the right thing to do. I made a restrained response that wasn't too critical and I wanted them to know more about the man by providing more information. I hope I did not do anything stupid linking the board that was about Ryan's dad giving the reason why Ryan passed away. All I know is that I'm still waiting for Cyrus to respond back to me so he can apologize, because again, that comment should never been on the show.

Man I wanted to get this out! Some feedback about how I handled this would be much appreciated. RIP Ryan Davis

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First of all: who? And second: why should I care?

Basically. I understand the defensiveness but these are people talking about things they don't really care about to people who also don't care. That some of these sites are even mentioning him at all is baffling.

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It was sleep apnea, I'm pretty sure. So....

What is this spill thing?

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What the fuck is Spill.com ? and please don't answer this question.

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He didn't really though.

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I'm sure they didn't mean it, but that is a very crass thing to say live on a podcast. There's a fine line between "I'm just lightening the mood" and "I'm going to off-the-cuff joke about the life of somebody who currently mourning the tragic death of her husband".

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Sounds more like stupidity than malice to me.

not cool either way.

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@jouseldelka said:

I agree that since they had little to work with and had little to no knowledge of Ryan, they shouldn't have exactly assumed it was his weight and started telling people to watch their health.

However, WE have been watching this guy in videos for years, we've seen him sweat and lose breath and struggle to move, so in my belief it is our DUTY to take note of his weight and wake up and realize that obesity is not just a thing that you ignore.

I don't know what took his life and neither do you, but as fans and followers we know that it was probably the number 1 cause, and we shouldn't ignore that. It's NOT disrespectful to be aware of these things and to discuss them maturely.

May he rest in peace, and like I said in another thread, he will be my motivation to remain in shape for years to come. I'll remember his loving face and warm humor and then get off my ass and run around the block.

Agreed.

To the people who mention sleap apnea as the likely cause for his passing: an unhealthy lifestyle (overweight, smoking etc) increases the risk of developing the condition significantly.

I loved the big guy but I also wished for a long time that he would get a little healthier. :(

edit: Sorry, I also think it's too soon to speculate on such things. The actual cause might, of course, be totally unrelated to any of this. We don't know, and we don't need to know. My apologies if I sounded disrespectful.

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As a man who frequents both Spill and Giantbomb, this thread is definitely seem to be an overreaction. Two guys who did not know who Ryan Davis reported his passing, like two guys who did not know him and had no cause of death. Both guys seemed distant about his passing ,but seemed dishearten by the news. One guy made a bad joke to lighten the mood. Was the off collar joke in poor taste? Sure, but I'm not going to make a blog post and shit all over an entire website because of it.

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@jouseldelka said:

I agree that since they had little to work with and had little to no knowledge of Ryan, they shouldn't have exactly assumed it was his weight and started telling people to watch their health.

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Or better yet, if they had little to no knowledge of Ryan, they probably shouldn't have talked about it at all. Or if they felt the need to, they should have kept it short.

I've never liked Spill from what I've seen in the past, and this certainly doesn't do anything to help my perception of them.

Yep. I hadn't listened to the podcast so maybe shame on me (haha), but it sounds like morning radio garbage where they have to comment on every little story without any knowledge or expertise. And I am fully aware of the irony in that statement.

Also, how many awful names did they go through before settling on Spill?

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@wjb said:

Also, how many awful names did they go through before settling on Spill?


"We need a name that says pop culture opinion hub.......I know! FARTSACK.COM.....Oh, it's taken? Ok, I'll just name it after the next thing I do after pouring this glass of MTN DEW WHITE ICE BLAST"

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In other news you can buy fartsack.com from go daddy for $17500.

I vote we pitch in to buy it to honor ryan's memory

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if spill.com made a large donation to the "ryan davis presents fartsack.com" memorial fund, I might consider going to their website

large cash donation

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So Cyrus brought up Ryan again on todays Daily Spill. He apologized for his joke about Ryans wife, and he was sorry that some people might have taken it seriously, he meant it as a joke. He also specifically made a point not to apologize about commenting on Ryans weight. He points out that they never said anything nasty aside from commenting on his weight and his well known unhealthy life style. He further went on to point out that Cyrus himself is overweight and unhealthy, as he mentioned in the original podcast, and again reminded people that maybe we should all take the opportunity to look at ourselves.

Honestly I think this has all been totally blown out of proportion. None of this is disrespectful or mean.

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People defending this behaviour are crazy. Regardless if you know someone or not, making assumptions about them after they had just passed away is extremely disrespectful. It may not have had malicious intent but that does not change the fact that their comments were uncalled for.

Reflecting on your own life is something people do all the time when someone they know (and care about) dies. However, I do not think that we need someone telling us that this is a lesson to watch our own health. The man died in his thirties, how about we say something nice about him or if you don't know him then don't say anything. A simple stating of his death and that it is a total travesty would have been a much better response. At most, they could have said something along the lines of: "Man, it really makes you think about your own life..." This is a simple statement that pushes the self-reflection angle without sounding too preachy.

Look at pretty much every other mention of Ryan's death. None of them stated that we should watch our own health. Rather, they commented on the man's life and mourned the fact that it was taken from him so early. Listen to the most recent Bombcast, that is a eulogy done right. Obviously, it was 2 hours long because all the commenters had a close relationship with Ryan. It's pretty simple. Remember and cherish the person and don't get on your soapbox (I realise they didn't really get on a soapbox but it was definitely borderline).

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Ryan was amazing human being, period. End of story.

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Look at pretty much every other mention of Ryan's death. None of them stated that we should watch our own health. Rather, they commented on the man's life and mourned the fact that it was taken from him so early. Listen to the most recent Bombcast, that is a eulogy done right.

First, those are Ryans closest friends and people who loved him the most, and they were all EXTREMELY able and willing to joke about Ryan and tell stories about how unheathly he could be and how much fun he could have. You think Hollywoodlife.com loved Ryan?

A podcast from another site that doesn't have much to do with Ryan took the time to give him a lovely shout out, and at the end put in a positive message that we should all take this horrible, shitty loss to take another look at ourselves. You can think it's disrespectful all you want. It's not coming from a bad place, and if you have a problem with it that's on you.

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I think we all had crazy speculation in our heads when we all got the bad news of Ryan's passing. I do not think the spill guys were trying to be malicious, they were just saying slightly insensitive speculative comments.

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Good on Cyrus for responding to this thread and recognising his own health issues on the last Daily Spill.

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Recently the CDC officially defined obesity as a "disease". So when I meet fat people now, I'm going to ask them how long they've been ill.

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Just seems like a lot of overreaction to me.

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All of us knew being fat was unhealthy and dangerous before this tragic event and I'm sure we're all fully aware still. We just found out maybe three days ago. I'm still grieving from the announcement. Why do people on the Internet have to analyze everything? Just let it be. Anybody who turns this into a preach fest and/or has ugly speculation on the matter can just fuck off.

Edit: If my reaction is too intense, I apologize. The sadness and grief over ryan's passing still feels raw.

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Grammar.

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exactly, who gives a fuck, no need to mine for this shit, these assholes are 'D' grade in the school of podcasting.

always gonna be idiots on the internet, best to rise above it and not react. i doubt they have 1% of the knowledge of the Baller Taswell that we do. thats why it is hitting me hard so much. and so i see this shit, or dicks who troll and then i know it doesn't matter. i watched How To Build A Bomb from part 1 and never stopped watching these duders since.

these reprobates reacting to "industry news" can do what they like, its all disconnected hearsay.

LOVE RYAN DAVIS, LOVE GIANT BOMB, its all that matters!

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FORUM WAR!

FORUM WAR!

SPILL VS. GIANTBOMB

BLOOD SHALL BE SPILT!

ARM YOURSELVES!

FOR WINTERFELL!!

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Ok BigJaffa is trying to blow this up into something it's not. Put away your gats boys.

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There is a tactful method to discuss this and a gauche, insensitive way of talking about it. I don't feel that bringing up the topic of Ryan's weight, and how it may have contributed to his premature death, should be taboo, but a respectful tone is imperative.

I don't have time to listen to this podcast and determine which side of the line it falls on. I don't think the topic is off-limits.

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Oh, thank god for spill.com (whoever the fuck they are). I mean, if there's one thing that fat and/or unhealthy people don't know -- it's that they're fat and/or unhealthy and that they should do something about it. I mean, really, thank god for all the busy-body self-righteous slender people out there who make it their daily business to constantly comment on or to unhealthy people (okay, let's admit it -- it's usually only fat people -- they don't give a shit if you're doing smack or anorexic). If it weren't for them, all these unhealthy fat people (like myself -- though a former accomplished athlete who spent 60hrs per week practicing, working out, and traveling and competing in tournaments for fifteen straight years) would never realize just how fat and shitty they are. I mean, holy shit, spill.com and the world full of rude busy-bodies are truly saving our lives by letting us know how fat and gross and unhealthy we are and that society despises our very existence. They should be given congressional medals, for fuck's sake!