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@mikachops: Sorry to quote myself and this is no defense of white disenfranchisement, but here's my take from a post earlier in the thread:

While I'm quoting myself, this also seems relevant:

The entire story of these forgotten rustbelt people is total bullshit. Those people have been ignored throughout my entire lifetime by Republicans, but they were thriving under Bill Clintion. I will agree that Clinton made mistakes by completing George Bush's work on NAFTA and repealing Glass-Steagle but you can't say he didn't care about the middle and working classes. Nearly everything Obama has tried to do was to benefit the poor and working classes. Though it was blocked and gutted at every turn, Obamacare was an attempt to empower people of any income level to have affordable health care. He took control of GM to protect the jobs and pensions of the exact manufacturing-dependent people these stories all talk about. He tried to pass huge stimulus packages to protect the same people from the recession. Those were whittled down at every opportunity by Republicans. I'm not saying Obama was perfect, but he never ignored these people.

This narrative of liberal elitism forcing good people to vote for an authoritarian misogynist sexual predator bigot is just more propaganda coming from right wing media sources.

@bigboss1911:

If you truly have yet to see one solid example of Trump racism you either:

• haven't been paying attention
• are in deep denial
• or have a very different opinion of racism than the rest of the world

@wolfgame: I don't condone violence on either side. Just saying that people handwaving all of the racist rhetoric of Trump's campaign and the hate crimes happening everywhere today shouldn't be able to point to a black on white attack as anything else than a logical consequence of the fire they helped stoke.

@bigboss1911: I don't recall Obama courting racism throughout either campaign.

@bigboss1911: I'm sorry, do you know me? What promises have I made to you? Do you really think liberals can be blamed for anger and attacks directed at whites after a year and a half of blatant racism from Trump rallies?

@foolishchaos: @bojackhorseman: The problem is that the "Crooked Hillary" narrative is so long-lived and predated her ever even running for office so much that many Americans accept it all as fact no matter what. Even if you look at just the fact checking done on the three debates where Trump was overwhelmingly inaccurate and outright dishonest in nearly every statement while the majority of Hillary's passed as factual, people still think of her primarily as a liar and him as someone who tells it like it is.

Also the kind of people willing to accept that narrative usually also think the fact checkers are part of the corrupt system. You can't win.

I believe Hillary was a flawed candidate, but she has never been proven to lie even a fraction as much as Trump has.

@thatpinguino: @cmblasko: I think it's a good idea, both strategically and to create better job opportunities in these places that seem to be so devoid of them. Some kind of education program in those areas to teach the skills needed for tech jobs would probably help too.

@rethla: A corrupt and dishonest person did get away with it.