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#1 Posted by PandaBear (1373 posts) -

Sliming? Like the gunk on Nickelodeon?

#2 Posted by PandaBear (1373 posts) -

@juno500 said:
@pandabear said:

@juno500 said:

@pandabear: Who's accusing the Rolling Stone critic? Is that person credible? Does that person have a reason to make the critic look bad? Any evidence at all to support those claims? All these things have to factored in when deciding whether to report that story. If I have every reason to believe this claim is a crock of shit, I'd ignore the accusation entirely.

Dude... the Rolling Stone thing was a hypothetical.

Dude... I completely understood that 100%, and I was simply making the point that your hypothetical being presented is too vague by asking other questions that I feel need to be considered. Seriously buddy, you think I'm that fucking stupid?

It's a hypotheical... of course it's vague. There has to a be slight leap of logic. You totally ignored everything else I said. The media is at it's best when it investigates stories and that's not happening in the games media. The real world example was people finally listening to abused children and investigating powerful organisations like the Catholic church. Some journalists had to risk their careers but knew the truth was worth it... game's journalists seem more content with sitting on their ass, ranting on Twitter and then proclaiming they're not going to get involved.

I told why recent events are worth investigating and why they matter... I just think there should be one mainstream media outlet who looks into this sort of stuff. Dude's on Reddit are doing more investigating than staff writers.

#3 Posted by PandaBear (1373 posts) -

@juno500 said:

@pandabear: Who's accusing the Rolling Stone critic? Is that person credible? Does that person have a reason to make the critic look bad? Any evidence at all to support those claims? All these things have to factored in when deciding whether to report that story. If I have every reason to believe this claim is a crock of shit, I'd ignore the accusation entirely.

Dude... the Rolling Stone thing was a hypothetical.

You're saying that no accusation is worth investigating unless the source is 100% air-tight? You know that the guys who exposed Nixon at Watergate used the information provided by an anonymous dude in a carpark, Monica Lewinksy was just some young intern, hundreds of kids that nobody would listen to decades ago are now adults and suing the Catholic church over sexual abuse allegations.

The Zoe Quinn has become a figure-head of a feminist movement in games, a group of small-time venture capitalists started up a game jam for women. She accused them of sexism, they were hacked and their personal details exposed, they fought back and said they were trying to help indie devs. Look seriously, it's not a cut and dry issue... there's two sides to this story... and none of the big video game news sites bothered to chase up these stories. Why?

The source has to be reliable I get that, again I work at a newspaper - you think we don't have to weed through the crazies? But sometimes an unlikely source can break a huge story.

The point is the media is supposed to pick up the stories others ignore and find the truth. That's the whole fucking point in the fourth estate. This post was asking "What do you want from games journalism" and my answer is games journalists who do more than offer commentary and instead pick up the phone and call people. Find out the truth of the big stories and present it to their readers for judgement.

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@juno500 said:

@marokai:

Has there been an honest attempt by anybody to have a legitimate debate with Patrick or Anita though? Somebody who has something to add beyond childish insults?

@pandabear said:

I want impartial journalists who write stories about what's happening without the need for commentary. The recent Zoe Quinn shit was so poorly covered by the games media I've lost a lot of faith in it. Pathetic Twitter rants and complaints that "we're not gonna talk about the trolls!!" is stupid. 80% of the people were told 50% of the story and instead of researching and presenting unbiased facts we were given nothing but a few public statements to deny any culpability. I had to search forums and small blogs to get ANY of the story.

Maybe they felt that deeply personal issues like an individual's sex life wasn't appropriate for that type of reporting, and that the original source of the claims (an angry rant from an ex-boyfriend with no real material proof of his accusations) were unreliable? This isn't TMZ.

Journalists implicated in possible favourable coverage of games, online harassment of an industry figure, the reaction of the audience both good and bad, a group of people hacking an indie game jam lead by Zoe's comments, a relaunch of the same game jam with support of other industry people ... I mean fuck if you can't see a story worth reporting in there then I don't know what to tell you.

Imagine if a critic for Rolling Stone was accused of giving favourable reviews for money or sex OR a film festival was shut down by an angry mob of people over a difference of opinion? I'm not taking sides and I don't want the reporters to either, I just want the reporting of facts. And we didn't get that on any level. There was illegal activities involved here, not just some TMZ gossip shit. Also on a side note TMZ do more in-depth, on the ground coverage than most gaming outlets.

#5 Posted by PandaBear (1373 posts) -

Nah.

#6 Posted by PandaBear (1373 posts) -

@erhard said:

Original and interesting articles by talented writers with good taste who don't write news stories, don't do developer interviews, write human interest drivel, write about their politics, write about themselves, or call themselves "journalists."

Speaking as someone who has worked at a newspaper for over a decade you just ruled out nearly every topic they can write about.

I want impartial journalists who write stories about what's happening without the need for commentary. The recent Zoe Quinn shit was so poorly covered by the games media I've lost a lot of faith in it. Pathetic Twitter rants and complaints that "we're not gonna talk about the trolls!!" is stupid. 80% of the people were told 50% of the story and instead of researching and presenting unbiased facts we were given nothing but a few public statements to deny any culpability. I had to search forums and small blogs to get ANY of the story.

Also people need to get off their high horse about what "journalism" is. It doesn't mean you have to work in a warzone... it just means you have to find facts and present them to your audience. There's room for features and opinion, but some fucking news reporting is sorely lacking.

#7 Posted by PandaBear (1373 posts) -

...yup.

#10 Posted by PandaBear (1373 posts) -

@spaceinsomniac: Thanks for that... but again, I'm finding better wrap ups of recent events in forums. It's crazy. Imagine if this was the film industry, as if an industry publication wouldn't report on this... But again, thanks for the link.

And I agree about Twitter... my overall point is unfollow people who are dragging your feed down or you don't find interesting (usually celebrity accounts) and find accounts worth following. Wired are great as is AFP an AP for news, AV Club do great reviews, TheTweetOfGod makes me laugh, CVG do good news roundups, a few other journalists I follow find good little stories. Twitter is what you make it.