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#1  Edited By Praxis

@Marino: I went ahead and created a new subsection for Metis and moved all images from the old page into a new gallery, so there should only be one thing left to do.

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#2  Edited By Praxis

In keeping with Jeff's most recent wiki mandate, the Metis page needs to be merged with Aigis.

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#3  Edited By Praxis
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#4  Edited By Praxis
  • The Karan S'jet page is misspelled.
  • There are currently two Taradino Cassatt pages (one and two).
  • AI Bots should be changed to either Bot or Bots, as it is by far the most common usage. Actually, I've never heard anyone use the term "AI Bot" instead of "Bot," so having it as an alias probably isn't even necessary.
  • Frames Per Second should be changed to Frame Rate, as FPS is simply the unit of measure for frame rate.
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#5  Edited By Praxis

@Hailinel: I wasn't trying to insinuate that lispy gay stereotype Kanji is the real Kanji. I don't think anyone wants that. The gist of my statement was that, whether twisted or not, shadows are entirely defined by their relationships to the characters they came from, which doesn't sound like free will to me at all. Shadows can only act in ways that reflect the inner turmoil of their makers. It isn't a conscious choice. Dominatrix Chie and Princess Yukiko are certainly not accurate representations of their characters, but they are manifestations of very real frustrations within them. They antagonize their creators because, in refusing to accept them, their creators are demonizing them. This problem only goes away when they are finally accepted for what they are.

@FateOfNever: I guess we'll just have to chalk this one up to interpretational differences. I never really got the sense playing P4 that shadows had any real agenda outside of their frustration at being neglected.

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#6  Edited By Praxis

@FluxWaveZ: But isn't a shadow that denies the person that denies the shadow still just reflecting its host? Couldn't a shadow's attempt to kill its maker simply symbolize that person's inability to accept and be at peace with themselves? If the shadows don't want to be a part of and help the person that spawned them, why do they do just that?

@Eirikr: It occurs to me that I may have interpreted P4 in a more metaphorical way than most people. The Midnight Channel, as I read it, is a place where a person and their subconscious can exist within the same space as two separate entities. The fact that the two can act independent of one another does not preclude the possibility that they are also one and the some.

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#7  Edited By Praxis

@FluxWaveZ: Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that a person's acknowledgment of their true self was a major theme of P4, and that shadows and personas were tied to that. If P4A retconned this, so be it.

@Eirikr: Well, thanks for supporting my argument even though you don't... support my argument. :P As for the fighting game rationale, there's plenty of precedent for alternate versions of characters not getting separate pages even when multiple versions of that character appear within the same game.

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#8  Edited By Praxis

@text: I'm not saying that shadow characters don't display traits that are distinct from their hosts, just that these traits are a reflection of their hosts' behavior rather than signs of true personhood. Shadow Naoto acts like a child because Naoto herself is afraid of being treated like one, and its behavior changes when she tries to leave because, as a part of Naoto, it does not want to be separated from her.

@FluxWaveZ: They go berserk when their host characters deny them. They do not wish to be free, they wish to be acknowledged as a part of the character they personify. And when they are, they no longer rebel.

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#9  Edited By Praxis

@Hailinel: I'm not sure I agree with you that all shadow characters have free will. I have no knowledge of the Labrys/Shadow Labrys dynamic, so maybe that case is different, but Shadow Kanji, for example, acts like a stereotypical flamboyant gay man precisely because this behavior is diametrically opposed to the way Kanji tries to portray himself in public. Shadow Kanji is not making an active choice, but reflecting the choices that Kanji has made. It is a part of Kanji that he has buried and refuses to acknowledge, thus it takes corporeal form, and once he does acknowledge it, it becomes a part of him once again in the form of a persona.

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#10  Edited By Praxis

It's been a while since I've played any Persona, and I haven't played P4A at all, but if I recall correctly, shadow characters are simply meant to represent the repressed feelings of their associated characters, in which case they can't really be considered characters at all, can they? Their existence is explicitly defined by their non-shadow selves, and besides, don't they eventually transform into personas, which are themselves just manifestations of that person? You could go down a real rabbit hole on this one, I think, but for my part I don't find the deletion of these "shadow persona" pages to be a particularly egregious idea.