Serious Sadists I Secretly Support

For reasons unknown, I am at times receptive to video game personalities that are somewhat less than savory. Perhaps it is because I find individuals with deep-seated character flaws, even villainous ones, to be ultimately more believable and compelling than those who exhibit exaggerated heroic qualities. Sure, let's go with that. What follows is a list of characters who are all right by me, despite being underhanded, malignant, or otherwise unpleasant.

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Posted by ahoodedfigure

Interesting. Nice of you to admit this. Can't say I feel the same :)
 
Strangely enough, when I see Mileena I feel badly for her, knowing what I *THINK* I know about her back story.
 
As for the Lady of Pain I don't really look at it as anything but a sort of spirit of the city of Sigil itself, or maybe an extension of the dungeon master's power in the pen and paper version of Planescape.

Posted by Praxis

@ahoodedfigure: Yeah, Mileena has always been more or less a tragic character, what with her Sisyphean quest to replace her sister and all. The quote above is more meant to convey that she is as unfazed by her role as murderer as any character within the series, and as a result is pretty much game for whatever bloodbath she might find herself in.

As far as the Lady goes, I've always thought that the point of her character was that her motives are unknowable, so I guess I can't argue with you that any sadism may be attributed rather than actual. At the very least, though, she is a being without compassion known to inflict severe punishment on others, which sure sounds like sadism.

Posted by ahoodedfigure
@Praxis: Sadism does imply some level of enjoyment, though, so I wonder if that's fully applicable. Often, though, the one inflicting pain can be somewhat enigmatic, so it works out anyway. I come from a position of having read the books from the Planescape boxed set, so it may not be very fair to the video game version, which probably tries harder not to portray her so directly. Still, The Lady of Pain's intriguing to me, no doubt.
Posted by Praxis

@ahoodedfigure: Though it is certainly the less common usage, sadism can also denote a significant willingness to inflict pain upon others apart from any gratification one might derive from it. I guess I should note that if we're talking about sadism in the classical sense of sexual arousal achieved through the suffering of others, then Mileena is probably the only true sadist on this list, but in the broader sense of sadism as a heightened propensity for cruelty, they all fit.

Posted by ahoodedfigure
@Praxis: I see where you're coming from. I guess with the Lady of Pain specifically, her willingness to destroy seems to come particularly from a sense of justice in keeping her city neutral. So I guess I don't see it as a seeking of pain itself, so much as a willingness to inflict it to protect the city, or the city's willingness to protect itself. It's said that even gods can get wiped out by Sigil to keep that peace.
 
Your interpretation, though, is no less valid, it just depends on what you feel is acceptable internal motivations, even for a personified planar city :)
Posted by Praxis

@ahoodedfigure: To be clear, I don't think the Lady inflicts pain for pain's sake either, but I'm not sure there's much to be had by analyzing the motives of an intentionally mysterious character. Torment is not really interested in humanizing the Lady in any meaningful way, since it portrays her more as a force of nature than as a living being. There is a basic ambiguity within Torment as to the very nature of what she is, where she came from, and what she means to accomplish by keeping order in Sigil. At the end of the day, I don't feel like these are questions I would ever really want to have answered, as this uncertainty seems like a central tenet of her character, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by ahoodedfigure
@Praxis:  I haven't beaten Torment, but it seems like it depicts her accurately. She's supposed to be mysterious, almost a force of nature, even in the pen and paper rules. Sounds like they did a good job. I have to play that game some time.
Posted by Praxis

@ahoodedfigure: Torment's definitely still worth picking up, especially for someone such as yourself who has an interest in the source material. Heck, what with GOG being around it's probably more worthwhile playing Torment today than it was ten years ago. That game had some fairly significant issues with slowdown and loading times back when it launched.

Posted by GTCknight

Just want to ask why no AM love. Dude tortured five humans for 109 years.

Posted by Praxis

@GTCknight: From that description, I have no doubt AM fits the sadist criterion. Unfortunately, having neither played the game nor read the short story it is based on, I can't really say whether or not the character fits my other criterion, that being that I have some affinity for them in spite of their actions. I should probably get around to reading / playing this at some point.