I was a little upset when my Xbox 360 gave up the ghost this week (exactly 1 hour before Shadow Complex released in actual fact). Earlier today while making breakfast, I decided to run the Gaygamer.net podcast, I was suddenly made aware of a few facts that I had not previously known about author Orson Scott Card. Even more to the point, they discussed some issues that have also come about on the Chair Entertainment website. In their defence, there has been no official statement from the company yet on the situation that has been alleged to have occurred on their forums. 
 
 I'll have to admit that now I'm a little torn on the issue. On the one hand there is the developer, who by all account, has no issues with the GLBT community. In fact, the writer who actually worked on the game is really quite friendly to the community. The game looks as if it is well made, and fun to play. On the other hand, as a gay man, I do not want any of my money going to a man who wrote this: 
 

Damnit, now gaygaymer.com is in my history.

I adressed this in a blog indirectly, in some ways I agree with them... but at the same time it is also written by a famous comic book author who has outed many characters. If a person feels a bit guilty about this, then atone for it by contributing against Orson Scott Card's interests or something like that. 
 
But hey! It is a great game. 
 
EDIT: Although I would feel unclean if some of my money went to Card, and that is something I can't wash off.

Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition

" @Video_Game_King: you're pushing on an open door there. =) "

I don't get these sites 
GayGaymer, catholic gamers 
Like, what the fuck is wrong with just sites about videogames, it's like there's a seperate market of video games for gays or catholics or whatever else

It's an interesting issue to say the least. You notice that  one person is vocal, can you imagine what the other people who develop/create/write/etc are thinking about that or any subject and just aren't vocal? In good conscience you/me/general public probably wouldn't give money or support to anyone in that case. But I do respect you or having the moral conflict, it shows that you have principles about what you believe and who you are. 

Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer." 
 
Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid.

I have strong views about the SSM issue. Really, it shouldn't even be an issue -- there's no logical argument against SSM. However, I don't think that because someone with extreme political views played a marginal role in Shadow Complex's development is enough to warrant any sort of boycott. By all means boycott Orson Scott Card's novels -- he's fairly vocal about his views in those -- but boycotting the game is just ineffective and roundabout. The authour of the article claims that he dislikes the fact that people see it as a non-issue just because it's a game. Well, SSM certainly isn't a non-issue, but I think it is a non-issue when it comes to this particular game for the obvious reason that there's not even the slightest allusion to the SSM marriage issue. Nor is there any solid proof that Epic somehow endorses OSC's views. This is all a bit overblown, if you ask me.

" @Sabata: Gaymer already exists as a forum. So the name was taken, but Ras mispelled the name. It's actually just gaygamer. "

Wow... some of the ignorant fools in this world. I actually was looking up some info on this guy... He thinks that same sex marriage will hinder the human race. As if we aren't overpopulated already? And it's not like, if they legalize same sex marriages, everybody will just get married to the same sex and there won't be any more children.      
 
@Metroid545: Let me guess... you're from the South.

" Wow... some of the ignorant fools in this world. I actually was looking up some info on this guy... He thinks that same sex marriage will hinder the human race. As if we aren't overpopulated already? And it's not like, if they legalize same sex marriages, everybody will just get married to the same sex and there won't be any more children.      
 
@Metroid545: Let me guess... you're from the South. "

" @xyzygy said:

" Wow... some of the ignorant fools in this world. I actually was looking up some info on this guy... He thinks that same sex marriage will hinder the human race. As if we aren't overpopulated already? And it's not like, if they legalize same sex marriages, everybody will just get married to the same sex and there won't be any more children.      
 
@Metroid545: Let me guess... you're from the South. "

first off I only agreed on the point he made I didn't do a full background check. I'm also not saying that legalizing gay marriage will end humanity because children will no longer be made, all i'm saying is same sex marriage is wrong. If you want to make a point try not fucking around with what I say from what I actually said it helps you too come across better and seem smarter "

oh ok sorry about that i just looked at the inbox message and instantly came too reply and it didn't show the @Metroid part
 
also yes i'm from the south

" oh ok sorry about that i just looked at the inbox message and instantly came too reply and it didn't show the @Metroid part  also yes i'm from the south "

Goodness gracious. Aren't we overreacting a little? Card will get like a cent of your Shadow Complex purchase, and he is only tangentially connected to the fucking game anyways. You may think that you are taking a stand, but in the end you are just depriving yourself of a good game because of a man who's views are never touched upon in the game. Sure, Shadow Complex takes place in the same universe as Empire, but nobody would have known that if Chair hadn't decided to mention it as a PR move.

" @Metroid545: But what did you actually mean when you said " I actually feel even better that I bought this now", I don't really understand where the point of pride is. "

" @Snipzor said:

" @Metroid545: But what did you actually mean when you said " I actually feel even better that I bought this now", I don't really understand where the point of pride is. "

from what I read in the article "first 3 paragraphs so if i missed anything vital let me know) He had the basic view I had (and that is that marriage shoould only be between a man and a woman) and I felt better because well I agreed and I kinda supported that unknowingly "

" Goodness gracious. Aren't we overreacting a little? Card will get like a cent of your Shadow Complex purchase, and he is only tangentially connected to the fucking game anyways. You may think that you are taking a stand, but in the end you are just depriving yourself of a good game because of a man who's views are never touched upon in the game. Sure, Shadow Complex takes place in the same universe as Empire, but nobody would have known that if Chair hadn't decided to mention it as a PR move. "

" Goodness gracious. Aren't we overreacting a little? Card will get like a cent of your Shadow Complex purchase, and he is only tangentially connected to the fucking game anyways. You may think that you are taking a stand, but in the end you are just depriving yourself of a good game because of a man who's views are never touched upon in the game. Sure, Shadow Complex takes place in the same universe as Empire, but nobody would have known that if Chair hadn't decided to mention it as a PR move. "

" @Snipzor: Well, if it makes you feel that uncomfortable, the most sound solution is not a boycott, but rather what some of the people at gaygamer and gamasutra suggested: donating money to a proponent of gay marriage. "

" @Metroid545: But what did you actually mean when you said " I actually feel even better that I bought this now", I don't really understand where the point of pride is. "

" @Snipzor said:

" @Metroid545: But what did you actually mean when you said " I actually feel even better that I bought this now", I don't really understand where the point of pride is. "

The same reason his pride doesn't make sense is the same reason you're disgust does not make sense. As long as the game itself is worth spending the money on and does not show any particular views on same sex marriage why do you care what Card's opinions are? I mean as long as his opinions stayed out of his work (which seems to be the case for this game) then what is the problem? Personally as long as a celebrity, writer, etc. keeps there opinions to themselves and out of their work I have no problem with buying their work. What Micheal Jackson may or may not have done to young children, while it disgusts me that there was even a possibility of it happening, doesn't make the Thriller album any worse or better. (Also I'm not some bigot whose against gay marriage, as long as no religious institution is forced to do something it does not want to do, I have no problem giving same sex couples equal legal rights) "

" @DirtyFuture said:

" @Snipzor said:

" @Metroid545: But what did you actually mean when you said " I actually feel even better that I bought this now", I don't really understand where the point of pride is. "

The same reason his pride doesn't make sense is the same reason you're disgust does not make sense. As long as the game itself is worth spending the money on and does not show any particular views on same sex marriage why do you care what Card's opinions are? I mean as long as his opinions stayed out of his work (which seems to be the case for this game) then what is the problem? Personally as long as a celebrity, writer, etc. keeps there opinions to themselves and out of their work I have no problem with buying their work. What Micheal Jackson may or may not have done to young children, while it disgusts me that there was even a possibility of it happening, doesn't make the Thriller album any worse or better. (Also I'm not some bigot whose against gay marriage, as long as no religious institution is forced to do something it does not want to do, I have no problem giving same sex couples equal legal rights) "

I don't see why you think it doesn't make sense. Its his belief and by buying it they feel like they are succumbing to him by funding a project he worked on and seeing how he gets the money it is basically helping him keep his campaign going and they don't want that. "

" @JacobForrest: The basis of my division has nothing to do with any references to same-sex marriage in the game. My reservations are, that as a consumer, I don't want *any* of the money that I spend on this game to go into the hands of Orson Scott Card. That's the entire issue. If they were to make a statement to the effect that he receives no royalties for the sale of each copy of the game, than that would satisfy me.    One could probably extend that argument that he was paid for his time, and if the series is successful he could be paid again for his time on the next title. Speaking for myself, I'm not that hard lined about it. I just don't want to have *my* money, directly go into his hands in any way. "

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

I would like to start off my thanking you for being so civil and friendly. =)

And ah, but that is where I can say two names I think we all...may have heard of? Adam and Eve. Granted that'll only change your mind if you believe that, like I do.

For argument's sake, I'll think about what you pointed out though, for a second. That is certainly a good point, for starters. Before religion (again, rolling with what you said), did anyone get married, though? Yes, be together. Yes, socailize. But not marriage itself, if you get me. And as far as two male cavemen go, dude, I haven't the slightest. 
Thanks for the reply. Pleasure to chat with you.

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

"

I would like to start off my thanking you for being so civil and friendly. =)

And ah, but that is where I can say two names I think we all...may have heard of? Adam and Eve. Granted that'll only change your mind if you believe that, like I do.

For argument's sake, I'll think about what you pointed out though, for a second. That is certainly a good point, for starters. Before religion (again, rolling with what you said), did anyone get married, though? Yes, be together. Yes, socailize. But not marriage itself, if you get me. And as far as two male cavemen go, dude, I haven't the slightest. 
Thanks for the reply. Pleasure to chat with you.

"

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

I think anyone that is really worried about someone with different beliefs getting your money just needs to relax. The sad reality is there are tons of people out there that have pretty twisted views on morality and such. I think that people should buy games, watch movies, buy books, etc. because they want to and they enjoy it. If you go around trying to boycott everything that is in any way connected to homophobia or any other issue, then you would be missing out on quite a bit. It's the sad truth.

" @Sabata said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

Ah, I see what you are saying, but do you have to be so...rude, I suppose? Anywho. I never said Christianity (my religion) was the only way two people could get married (not saying you said I did, just stating). As far as it being controlled by religion goes, I don't think you understand what I believe. But anyways: I do believe marriage was created by God. As far as two, let's say for example, atheists, getting married goes, yes, that's a marriage.And thank you, as I can not call you stupid either. Have a fine day and thank you for the reply. :D "

"@Spike94 said:

"

I would like to start off my thanking you for being so civil and friendly. =)

And ah, but that is where I can say two names I think we all...may have heard of? Adam and Eve. Granted that'll only change your mind if you believe that, like I do.

For argument's sake, I'll think about what you pointed out though, for a second. That is certainly a good point, for starters. Before religion (again, rolling with what you said), did anyone get married, though? Yes, be together. Yes, socailize. But not marriage itself, if you get me. And as far as two male cavemen go, dude, I haven't the slightest. 
Thanks for the reply. Pleasure to chat with you.

"

But wouldn't you agree with me now that Marriage has become more of a legal thing? I mean, for some, it's all about money. If people get divorced, how is it "just" that someone can take a share of the others money? How is a piece of paper that says, "OK, you two can be 'Married'" Religious? I thought religion was about spiritualism, not legally bound satuses. "

" @Sabata said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

Ah, I see what you are saying, but do you have to be so...rude, I suppose? Anywho. I never said Christianity (my religion) was the only way two people could get married (not saying you said I did, just stating). As far as it being controlled by religion goes, I don't think you understand what I believe. But anyways: I do believe marriage was created by God. As far as two, let's say for example, atheists, getting married goes, yes, that's a marriage.And thank you, as I can not call you stupid either. Have a fine day and thank you for the reply. :D "

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

" @Spike94 said:

" @Sabata said:

"Isn't the name "Gaygaymer" kinda redundant?  Shoulda gone with "Gaygamer" or "Gaymer."  Also: religious people who think marriage was a religious thing first are fucking stupid. "

Humph! Excuse me sir or madam, how horribly rude! Stupid I am not. I have my own convictions, I ask you to respect me for them... I love gay people no less then I love straight people but I feel marriage is between a woman and man...yes, my reasons have to do with God, but calling me effing stupid for it is, in itself, stupid...I like Mr. Card.Have a fine day. :D P.S. Seriously, if I get skewered for my beliefs then fine...I doubt that'll happen on GB, though, but I guess I am about to find out >.< Hope you all have a tremendous evening/morning/what have you. "

No, really, if you honestly believe that marriage is a thing that should be controlled by your religion, then yes, you are fucking stupid.  Do you think that your religion is the only one in which people get married?  Did you ever think that people of other religions and cultures get married too?  Some even *GASP* get married without having any religion at all!  However, if you simply feel like marriage between two people of the same sex is wrong, then that is your opinion and I cannot call you fucking stupid for that.   "

Ah, I see what you are saying, but do you have to be so...rude, I suppose? Anywho. I never said Christianity (my religion) was the only way two people could get married (not saying you said I did, just stating). As far as it being controlled by religion goes, I don't think you understand what I believe. But anyways: I do believe marriage was created by God. As far as two, let's say for example, atheists, getting married goes, yes, that's a marriage.And thank you, as I can not call you stupid either. Have a fine day and thank you for the reply. :D "

Wow, you totally avoided his reply blatently right there. LOL. How could "God" create marriage, if the two people who are getting married are not followers of "God" and do not acknowledge his existence? What if THEY believe that Allah (I don't even know what religion that God is from) created Marriage? "