I have raged a LOT while reading this thread.
First of all, I want to come out and say that I think King Diamond kicks ass, but that doesn't have anything to do with what all I'm going to say.
1)The Doors were NOT the end all, be all fathers of grunge. If you want to even attempt to give anyone that title give it to Flipper and Black Flag, with Black Sabbath as the crazy uncle who was a "bad influence" of sorts on both of them. Side B of Black Flag's "My War" album is the most crucial piece of proto-grunge ever and that album should be in every grunge fan's music library. Both bands were huge influences on Kurt Cobain, who for some reason is going to go down in history as the God of grunge.
2 )Dashboard Confessional and Alkaline Trio are not responsible for emo. Emo started off as a way for people involved in the Washington DC Hardcore Punk scene to kill that scene off because it was getting too violent. The whole thing apparently started as a joke, what with acoustic concerts and overly emotional songs and stuff performed by guys who used to be in bands like Minor Threat and such but people took it seriously and that led to bands like Sunny Day Real Estate. Alkaline Trio, despite displaying many emo overtones and having a lot of acoustic music, has more in common with horrorpunk and pop punk then anything else really, at least, that's what happened when Matt Skiba started doing more songs than Dan Andriano. Calling Alkaline Trio emo is like calling Rozz Williams's Christian Death emo. Well, maybe it's not as ridiculous as calling Rozz William's Christian Death emo, but still, it's kind of along the same lines. I guess it'd be more like calling the Descendents emo.
3)The Ramones popularized punk rock, but the Velvet Underground, the MC5, The Stooges, Patti Smith Group, the New York Dolls, etc, started that whole thing off. Punk was originally an umbrella term for the experimental music scene centered in New York that later morphed into the No Wave movement, but kinda got bastardized along the way to describe a genre of music that I love dearly but has little to do with what it started off as. Wheareas punk now generally means "three chords, angst, and some adolescent-level humor" it used to be really experimental and cutting edge at one point, believe it or not.
I dunno, I feel like I'm coming off as an elitist ass so I'm going to stop. Music history's something I obsess over to a ridiculous degree and normally I have more patience when it comes to this sort of thing because I'm like a walking encyclopedia of music but there was too much ridiculousness in this thread and I have to get some of my raaaage off my chest before I go to sleep.
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